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You're wasting your breath. You can't reason with people who think the humiliating beatdown by the Pelicans was something to be happy about.

Not sure how you get from my suggestion that people should temper their reactions to these first hours of the off season with a little bit of understanding about reality to the statement that I don’t care about the first round beat down, but okey-dokey I guess.
 
I hate saying this, but I’ve never seen this forum look more stupid than in the reaction to the past few hours. The Blazers were never going to be players in the early FA signings because they don’t have cap space. The big moves will have to be via TPE and trades. Those take longer to put together than FA signings because other teams are involved and they’re busy with their own FA signings right now. Also trades can’t happen during the moratorium so we’re not likely to hear anything until after the 6th. So maybe people should stop wetting themselves over these first cost cutting moves and realize this is going to take awhile.

It’s just frustrating. Extremely frustrating. As a fan when one of your good players leaves for basically nothing in NBA money, on opening night of FA you go sign some guy who has been nothing but a disappointment in the NBA.
You couple that with the fact NO’s moves are the reason the Blazers can’t do anything in free agency and it’s all just at a boiling point for a lot of people.
Not only did NO give out big contracts in terms of money per year to ML and ET, he signed them for 4 years! Couldn’t help himself I guess, and same with AC.

Then to be told over and over oh just wait for Neil’s plan, wait for his plan. I think we’re seeing his plan get under the cap. So far his plan the last few years has led to nothing why keep waiting for those”big trades” he never makes. You realize his big move the last few years was a mason Plumlee salary dump and giving away Crabbe for nothing to get out of the contract he give him. At least the salary dump got us Nurkic.
 
So if the Blazers don't make a trade by the end of July that improves the team, are you willing to change your tune?

Sure. I just think it looks pretty stupid to overreact before it’s even possible for the plan to be executed.
 
Not sure how you get from my suggestion that people should temper their reactions to these first hours of the off season with a little bit of understanding about reality to the statement that I don’t care about the first round beat down, but okey-dokey I guess.

Because what happened in the first round reflects several *years* of NO's plan. What makes you think anything is going to change with more fan patience?
 
It’s just frustrating. Extremely frustrating. As a fan when one of your good players leaves for basically nothing in NBA money, on opening night of FA you go sign some guy who has been nothing but a disappointment in the NBA.
You couple that with the fact NO’s moves are the reason the Blazers can’t do anything in free agency and it’s all just at a boiling point for a lot of people.
Not only did NO give out big contracts in terms of money per year to ML and ET, he signed them for 4 years! Couldn’t help himself I guess, and same with AC.

Then to be told over and over oh just wait for Neil’s plan, wait for his plan. I think we’re seeing his plan get under the cap. So far his plan the last few years has led to nothing why keep waiting for those”big trades” he never makes. You realize his big move the last few years was a mason Plumlee salary dump and giving away Crabbe for nothing to get out of the contract he give him. At least the salary dump got us Nurkic.
Besides that summer we also went into last year’s draft with three first round pick and only came out with Zach collins. That’s not okay. He’s a snake oil salesman. Good talker. That’s it. He did fine after lamarcus left by grabbing Davis and aminu, getting moe for a second round pick but after that it was all downhill. We constantly hear about dame and cjs trajectory and building around them. It’s nonsense. Dame went to Paul Allen a year ago and asked to get him somebody and here we are, let go of a fan favorite and a dame favorite for who the fuck knows why and we come out with stauskas?!? The issue was never terry stotts. It’s Neil. Terry has to work with this mediocre team the best he can. Just like last year every team in the west just gets better. Dallas was ass last season, now their squad looks decent on paper with Dennis smith junior, luka, Barnes, deandre. Phoenix has an up an coming squad. Utah continues to roll. We are stuck. Stagnant. We have actually lost talent as opposed to gain it because who the fuck knows how Simon or Gary Trent junior will play out. Lost ed, shabazz, pat. Gained stauskas which practically is pat.

I don’t know how I feel as a fan. Yeah I will watch the team but I almost am at a fuck it stage right now like I know we will be mediocre as fuck and I hope dame stay with us because we will be in this shit for another year at least. We have no assets this idiot Neil always speaks about. None. It’s a joke. Gave away crabbe because it was such a bad contract. Batum became vonleh and he’s not on the team anymore. He won’t break up dame and cj. I don’t either but at this point you kinda have to trade cj for something but it won’t happen. Just fucking up dames career. He doesn’t deserve this bullshit and neither do the fans
 
Sure. I just think it looks pretty stupid to overreact before it’s even possible for the plan to be executed.
Why is it every year when we complain about Neil some of us are overreacting when he hasn’t proven time and time again he has no plan. Just pissing in the wind. This isn’t an overreaction. We have a terrible gm. The ed Davis move caught everybody off guard and dame and cj even had to tweet about it. Our local dumb fuck sports media were all shocked by it and didn’t get it. We have Neil his chance with all his shitty contracts. Last season he did nothing and it’s looking like another season of nothing again.
 
Because what happened in the first round reflects several *years* of NO's plan. What makes you think anything is going to change with more fan patience?

Let me ask you this; Ed Davis is the perfect teammate, works his ass off, Dame loves him, fans love him. Did Ed’s lack of an offensive game make it easier or harder for Anthony Davis to cheat off of him and double Dame every time down the court? Re-signing Ed on the cheap would have been a popular move, but would it have made the Blazers any better able to beat the Pelicans in another series?
 
Why is it every year when we complain about Neil some of us are overreacting when he hasn’t proven time and time again he has no plan. Just pissing in the wind. This isn’t an overreaction. We have a terrible gm. The ed Davis move caught everybody off guard and dame and cj even had to tweet about it. Our local dumb fuck sports media were all shocked by it and didn’t get it. We have Neil his chance with all his shitty contracts. Last season he did nothing and it’s looking like another season of nothing again.

I’m not defending Olshey here. I don’t know if he can pull off the moves needed to make the Blazers better or not. I DO KNOW that the tools that are available to work with can’t be used until after July 6th so I’m not going to waste time ranting about things not happening yet.
 
Let me ask you this; Ed Davis is the perfect teammate, works his ass off, Dame loves him, fans love him. Did Ed’s lack of an offensive game make it easier or harder for Anthony Davis to cheat off of him and double Dame every time down the court? Re-signing Ed on the cheap would have been a popular move, but would it have made the Blazers any better able to beat the Pelicans in another series?

That's a fair question. (I would note that you could ask the same about Nurk) My honest answer is that the Blazers are unlikely to find someone better, so I would rather keep the guy who has at least some proven positive assets. You can make a reasonable argument to keep Davis and Collins and let Nurk walk, as there is the very real possibility that the Blazers will have to over-pay to keep him.
 
Hater News:
If Neil signed Ed, you'd say "Business as usual, keeping a team together that was swept in the playoffs, going to stick Collins at the 3 point line again, blah, blah, blah."

Bad News:
I'm starting to become a Hater myself. At that price, should have kept Ed.....
 
That's a fair question. (I would note that you could ask the same about Nurk) My honest answer is that the Blazers are unlikely to find someone better, so I would rather keep the guy who has at least some proven positive assets. You can make a reasonable argument to keep Davis and Collins and let Nurk walk, as there is the very real possibility that the Blazers will have to over-pay to keep him.

I think the Blazers see Collins as their COTF. I think they will push for Nurk to take the QO, play Collins behind him at center next season and then decide whether Nurk is worth a new contract.
 
I'm as pissed off at losing Ed as anyone, but it's kind of funny that the GM who acquired him in the first place was... Neil Olshey. Where was all this righteous rage when he traded Batum?

He delayed the righteous rage into a whimper years later, by conning us that his incompetent evaluations showed that he had gotten equal value in Vonleh and Henderson.

The fatigued remains of a righteous rage finally came when he gave away Vonleh for nothing (his only motive was economics, not as it should be, a continuous series of trades to improve the roster). That meant that the had gotten nothing for Batum.
 
From Neil's interviews, fan opinion is clearly beneath him.

One way to get Paul's attention: cancel your season tickets!

Neil is the second most incompetent GM in Blazer history. Something has to give.

Paul will just sell the team to a group to move it to Seattle or find a way for himself to do it.
 
Besides, Ed isnt essential. Hes a cheap hard working backup PF/C but most want a complete overhaul
 
Hater News:
If Neil signed Ed, you'd say "Business as usual, keeping a team together that was swept in the playoffs, going to stick Collins at the 3 point line again, blah, blah, blah."

Bad News:
I'm starting to become a Hater myself. At that price, should have kept Ed.....
He would be a huge trade asset. You just can't ist the best Backup big walk for that money
 
He would be a huge trade asset. You just can't ist the best Backup big walk for that money
Patently absurd. ANY team ponying up $4.1 for 1 or more years could have had him (for basically nothing), and no one wanted him. You think he was fielding multiple offers?
 
The summer is long. There’s plenty of time to organize mobs with torches and pitchforks if Olshey can’t pull this off. I’m just saying it’s not a good look for us to hang him before it’s even possible for the plan to be executed.

Sure. I just think it looks pretty stupid to overreact before it’s even possible for the plan to be executed.

So if the Blazers don't make a trade by the end of July that improves the team, are you willing to change your tune?

E-Blazer has always opposed change in the 16 years I've read his posts, and he sure won't change this summer. To silence the commotion, he invents an invisible secret Olshey plan.
 
The call to cancel season tickets is silly anyway - the Blazers gave us a discount to renew them back in the spring - when were in 3rd place in the Western Conference and everyone was excited.
 
Patently absurd. ANY team ponying up $4.1 for 1 or more years could have had him (for basically nothing), and no one wanted him. You think he was fielding multiple offers?
My guess is he took the 1st offer he got
 
It looks pretty stupid to wait for years for a mythical “plan” to materialize when there obviously isn’t one too so... who’s the idiot now?
His plan is to get an "impact vet." That hasn't happened yet, and probably won't until a couple of days after LBJ signs. Until then, we have to wait. That being said, we may end of being locked out of free agency, so yes, it's frustrating.
 
His plan is to get an "impact vet." That hasn't happened yet, and probably won't until a couple of days after LBJ signs. Until then, we have to wait. That being said, we may end of being locked out of free agency, so yes, it's frustrating.
But it’s not just about just this year. Neil’s entire tenure in Portland has been a disappointment. Outside of drafting dame and cj what hasn’t this guy fucked up over the last 5 years? How many trades has he been on the winning side of? 1 maybe? How many diamonds in the rough has he found? How many of his fa signings have been really impactful and improved the team?

The answers to these questions are not flattering to olshey.
 
It looks pretty stupid to wait for years for a mythical “plan” to materialize when there obviously isn’t one too so... who’s the idiot now?

His plan is to get an "impact vet."

How does losing a fantastic bargain, Davis, who contributes about $12M worth of play in the Stotts system yet costs only $4M, fit into this plan to sign a veteran (which exists only in E-Blazer's head anyway)? We are a worse team now. Any veteran will now be less likely, not more likely, to sign.
 
But it’s not just about just this year. Neil’s entire tenure in Portland has been a disappointment. Outside of drafting dame and cj what hasn’t this guy fucked up over the last 5 years? How many trades has he been on the winning side of? 1 maybe? How many diamonds in the rough has he found? How many of his fa signings have been really impactful and improved the team?

The answers to these questions are not flattering to olshey.
The Lopez trade was genius. Everyone was saying he was a "backup, at best", Neil said he was a starter. Neil was right, everyone else was wrong.

The Nurk trade was ridiculously one-sided. Great move by Neil.

Getting value for Batum was a great move. 1 year later, Batum signed a long term bazillion dollar contract we wanted no part of.

....

But, I understand the criticism. 2016 was a critical time, and ultimately he, like everyone that year, screwed up. Regardless of "fault", we're still paying for it.
 
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to answer the thread's question...the way to get their attention is to stop buying tickets, jerseys, showing up at Blazer events, etc......I'm not even close to that point as a fan but that's how you do it....empty seats...
 
E-Blazer has always opposed change in the 16 years I've read his posts, and he sure won't change this summer. To silence the commotion, he invents an invisible secret Olshey plan.

It looks pretty stupid to wait for years for a mythical “plan” to materialize when there obviously isn’t one too so... who’s the idiot now?

I'm not sure why you're both wanting to take shots at me, personally, but that's your choice. But, since you both bring up the issue of a "mythical" or nonexistent plan, let's review:

1. At the end of the playoffs, after the Blazers had been ingloriously swept by the Pelicans, Olshey said that that series had revealed things about the state of the team that needed to be addressed. He said that the team needed more veterans and it needed better shooters. He said that since the Blazers don't have any cap space, they would be looking to use the Crabbe and Vonleh TPEs aggressively to try to resolve those needs. He also indicated that the team would not be averse to using the 24th pick as a sweetener to get those objectives done. That is "THE PLAN", or at least as much of it as has been made public. It's not mythical and it's not hidden. It's right out there in the open for everyone to see.

2. The draft came and went without a deal getting done. Olshey took flyers on two young guys who may or may not be worthwhile, but they certainly aren't addressing the things that were identified as needs, so they don't fit "THE PLAN". Strike one.

3. The Blazers didn't tender QOs to Napier or Connaughton because they don't fit "THE PLAN" and what they do offer can be had for cheaper in today's market.

4. Yesterday at 9:00 pm PDT it became July 1st on the east coast and the free agency negotiations period opened up. The league also went into a one-week moratorium while the bean-counters figure out the salary cap for the coming year. Free agent signings can be announced, but not consummated until July 6th. Trades can't happen until then either.

5. Teams with cap space or exceptions that allowed for free agent signings began to make tentative deals immediately after the opening of the FA negotiation window. The Blazers, not having any cap space only did one signing for the vet's minimum. They let Ed walk, presumably because he doesn't fit with "THE PLAN". The Blazers held off on using their MLE, most likely because they want to use the TPEs first.

6. RipCity2 goes ape-shit with calls for Olshey's head because he hasn't executed "THE PLAN" BEFORE IT CAN POSSIBLY BE EXECUTED.

If Olshey whiffs on improving the team this summer, you can add me to the list of people looking for a replacement GM, but I'm at least going to wait until it's actually possible for the Blazers to do something before getting my knickers all in a bunch.
 
Let me ask you this; Ed Davis is the perfect teammate, works his ass off, Dame loves him, fans love him. Did Ed’s lack of an offensive game make it easier or harder for Anthony Davis to cheat off of him and double Dame every time down the court? Re-signing Ed on the cheap would have been a popular move, but would it have made the Blazers any better able to beat the Pelicans in another series?

We effectively replaced Davis' roster spot with Nik Stauskas last night.

Does having Nik Stauskas instead of Ed Davis on the roster make the Blazers any better able to beat the Pelicans in another series?
 

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