Howard a possibility still?

[TBpup]

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

Renounce Leonard, Harkless, Kaman, Henderson and Roberts.

Still able to sign Crabbe for $14M and DH for $20M. Assuming signing Parsons $22M.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

This combo makes so much sense.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Maybe you just suck at it?

Maybe you just suck at detecting it, despite it being readily laid out....?

It'd be like walking by Mrs. HCP as she's laying naked on top of the bed and you offer nothing but a brief nod.

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

Lillard - McCollum - Parsons - Aminu - Howard

?? - Crabbe - Layman - Vonleh - Davis/Plumlee

Montero - Connaughton - Alexander -

We'd still want another emergency PG and another wing/shooter probably.

 

[0-Our!]

Renounce Leonard, Harkless, Kaman, Henderson and Roberts.

Still able to sign Crabbe for $14M and DH for $20M. Assuming signing Parsons $22M.

IF ^ can happen... even as much as a Dwight hater I am... I WOULD consider this a win & I would welcome him & Parsons.

 

[Denny Crane]

Renounce Leonard, Harkless, Kaman, Henderson and Roberts.

Still able to sign Crabbe for $14M and DH for $20M. Assuming signing Parsons $22M.

Kaman, Henderson, and Roberts would be renounced to make room for Parsons.

Leonard and Harkess gets you ~$8M of the $24M we need to get Howard.

To get $16M more, we have to dump salaries:

Vonleh $2.7M
Davis $6.7M
(minus those two, we're at $17M, still need $7M more)

Aminu $7.6M

We're there.

This leaves us with Layman, Crabbe, Connaughton, Alexander, Montero, Plums

 

[0-Our!]

Also, I'd like to say that, w/o Parsons (aka Howard's buddy, which to me... makes a BIG difference because Parsons I believe CAN straighten Howard out), I would b still against bringing in Howard BUT W/ Parsons... welcome!

ps I'm in favor 100% of any scenario that allows us to keep Noah, Moe, & Davis (I've seen all the $ talk from everyone w/ losing these guys & how it makes the most sense etc.) for ^. I know I'd just have to lump it IF 1 of these guys I mentioned is out to get Parsons & Howard in. Neil, I hope you're listening though, you can do whatever u need to do to bring Parsons & Howard here BUT don't get rid of Noah, Moe, & Davis! Please!

 

[illmatic99]

Kaman, Henderson, and Roberts would be renounced to make room for Parsons.

Leonard and Harkess gets you ~$8M of the $24M we need to get Howard.

To get $16M more, we have to dump salaries:

Vonleh $2.7M
Davis $6.7M
(minus those two, we're at $17M, still need $7M more)

Aminu $7.6M

We're there.

This leaves us with Layman, Crabbe, Connaughton, Alexander, Montero, Plums

That's 8M each

 

[Denny Crane]

That's 8M each

You're right. I was using the QO amount, not the cap hold. My bad.

 

[selloutking]

EXACTLY! Pitch to them (which IS ACTUALLY the truth) ^. IF they actually want to win & prolong their careers/not have miserable seasons/cut down on injuries, aches & pains... both of u take less $ so that we can put u together AND so that we can surround you w/ good players; also say to them: "you've both played for teams where you've not really liked some of your teammates, how much is it worth to you to play w/ those that you ACTUALLY respect & like?"

^ my sea change, we're @ a pt. now that we gotta make some noise & this seems to b 1 of the last ways to do it; IF this doesn't work... on to plan c BUT for now...

Dude, what do you do with all the time you are saving by typing like that!?

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

I thought cap holds for Leonard and Harkless higher than just $8M combined. Seem to remember $9M for Leonard and $7M for Harkless.
Am I wrong?

 

[Denny Crane]

Renounce Leonard, Harkless, Kaman, Henderson and Roberts.

Still able to sign Crabbe for $14M and DH for $20M. Assuming signing Parsons $22M.

Kaman, Henderson, and Roberts would be renounced to make room for Parsons.

Leonard and Harkess gets you ~$15M of the $24M we need to get Howard.

To get $9M more, we have to dump salaries:

Vonleh $2.7M
Davis $6.7M

Gets us there. Or:

Aminu $7.6M

Almost gets us there. Can get there cutting Alexander and Montero.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Really? Huh - I figured cap holds were in the $2-3M area. And if I recollect Aminu/Davis are both around $7-8M. I didn't realize cap holds were that high.

Still, I would rather dump Aminu/Davis and keep our RFAs. Crabbe, Harkless, and even Meyers all still have serious potential for improvement, while Aminu and Davis are what they are.

If we dump Aminu/Davis in order to land Parsons/Howard while retaining the RFAs that's a HUGE improvement over last season. It's essentially as if we traded Aminu for Parsons and Davis for Howard.

IF we could get Howard and Parsons to agree to come for $20M each, we would (barely) have enough room to do so and still keep our RFA's by renouncing the UFA's, dealing Aminu/Davis/Connaughton, and cutting Montero/Alexander. Depending on where the actual salary cap figure comes in.

 

[Natebishop3]

You can cut

Montero
Alexander
Hendo
Kaman
Harkless
Leonard

Trade Davis/Connaughton

And you can sign Parsons at 22 and Howard at 24. That still leaves a pretty decent roster.

Dame
CJ
Parsons
Aminu
Howard

With Crabbe, Vonleh, Plumlee, and Layman off the bench.

 

[EGame]

Didn't Howard say he was uninterested in coming here? I know Parsons and him are close, but I'm not so sure that would be that much of a difference would it.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Dame/CJ/Connaughton
CJ/Crabbe/Montero
Parsons/Harkless
Aminu/Davis/Harkless
Howard/Plums/Davis

Thats solid and Vonleh isnt in there yet.

Release Henderson, Alexander/Kaman/Roberts

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Didn't Howard say he was uninterested in coming here? I know Parsons and him are close, but I'm not so sure that would be that much of a difference would it.

On the contrary--all the reports I've read/heard regarding Howard included Portland as one of the places in which he IS interested.

 

[e_blazer]

I mentioned this in another thread, and I don't have a clear idea of how it would work, but isn't it true that we wouldn't necessarily have to clear cap space to make this work? There's still the possibility of doing a sign-and-trade involving the Rockets, maybe even including a third team.

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

Gotta hope Parsons takes less than $22M and Howard takes less than $16M to play for us.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Dame/CJ/Connaughton
CJ/Crabbe/Montero
Parsons/Harkless
Aminu/Davis/Harkless
Howard/Plums/Davis

Thats solid and Vonleh isnt in there yet.

Release Henderson, Alexander/Kaman/Roberts

So, you're bringing Howard in for $10M? Because that's all the cap space that's left after signing Parsons to a max if you keep Harkless, Crabbe, Aminu, and Davis.

 

[Natebishop3]

Dame/CJ/Connaughton
CJ/Crabbe/Montero
Parsons/Harkless
Aminu/Davis/Harkless
Howard/Plums/Davis

Thats solid and Vonleh isnt in there yet.

Release Henderson, Alexander/Kaman/Roberts

I don't think you're following... To get Howard you have to renounce Harkless. You have to renounce Leonard. You have to trade someone like Aminu or Davis.

 

[Denny Crane]

I mentioned this in another thread, and I don't have a clear idea of how it would work, but isn't it true that we wouldn't necessarily have to clear cap space to make this work? There's still the possibility of doing a sign-and-trade involving the Rockets, maybe even including a third team.

Explain how you think a S&T would work.

EDIT: To clarify my understanding is:

We'd have to be over the cap by ~$24M with $24M in player salaries to trade to match the incoming. If we're under the cap and use cap space, we're in the same position we're in now, we just sign him.

 

[Natebishop3]

Explain how you think a S&T would work.

I guess in theory we could try to trade Davis or Aminu to Houston for Howard (in addition to all the other moves that would be required.)

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I mentioned this in another thread, and I don't have a clear idea of how it would work, but isn't it true that we wouldn't necessarily have to clear cap space to make this work? There's still the possibility of doing a sign-and-trade involving the Rockets, maybe even including a third team.

If we were to trade for a 20+ million dollar salary, either the end result of the trade would have to still leave us under the salary cap, or we'd have to send out outgoing salaries that were within $5M of the incoming salary. So there isn't really a way to work a sign/trade for Howard that doesn't still involve clearing a ton of salary for him.

 

[0-Our!]

Dude, what do you do with all the time you are saving by typing like that!?

Haha!

 

[e_blazer]

Explain how you think a S&T would work.

EDIT: To clarify my understanding is:

We'd have to be over the cap by ~$24M with $24M in player salaries to trade to match the incoming. If we're under the cap and use cap space, we're in the same position we're in now, we just sign him.

Let's say that Houston liked Meyers or Harkless enough to take them on starting at around $16M or so and Dwight would agree to a S & T starting at around $25, seems like the Blazers could clear enough to absorb the difference. Probably reasons why that doesn't work, but as far as I can see, as long as one of those guys was amenable to the idea and didn't sign any other offer sheets, it seems plausible.

 

[e_blazer]

If we were to trade for a 20+ million dollar salary, either the end result of the trade would have to still leave us under the salary cap, or we'd have to send out outgoing salaries that were within $5M of the incoming salary. So there isn't really a way to work a sign/trade for Howard that doesn't still involve clearing a ton of salary for him.

Yeah, but wouldn't the outgoing salary of one of our RFAs be the new salary instead of their cap hold?

 

[BonesJones]

Gotta hope Parsons takes less than $22M and Howard takes less than $16M to play for us.

The key is for them to take no more than $38M combined. That means we'd only need to clear $15M. That means we could keep Crabbe, Harkless, and Plumlee/Vonleh while only trading away Davis, Plumlee/Vonleh, and renouncing Meyers.

So hypothetically we could keep AC, Hark, and Plums and then try to fill the roster a little more. CLE pick and Connaught on for Robert Covington, then go after a Jarrett Jack or David West with the cap space exception

 

[Denny Crane]

Let's say that Houston liked Meyers or Harkless enough to take them on starting at around $16M or so and Dwight would agree to a S & T starting at around $25, seems like the Blazers could clear enough to absorb the difference. Probably reasons why that doesn't work, but as far as I can see, as long as one of those guys was amenable to the idea and didn't sign any other offer sheets, it seems plausible.

If Houston wants to pay Leonard $21M, we should jump all over that S&T.

If Houston wants to pay Leonard $10.5M and Harkless $10.5M, we should do that, too.

I see that a 3rd team might want to take one of those two, but I'm not seeing why Houston would facilitate it.