Howard a possibility still?

[BonesJones]

Your math doesn't work because as soon as you sign Meyers, you're back above the salary cap and there's no way you can match Dwight's money.

If you have $3M in cap space, all you have to do is clear $6M in space to sign Meyers for $16M and stay under the cap.

$3M in cap space
+
$7.7M - Meyers cap hold which would no longer apply
+
$6M in space that we'd free
=
$16.7M

 

[Natebishop3]

If you have $3M in cap space, all you have to do is clear $6M in space to sign Meyers for $16M and stay under the cap.

$3M in cap space
+
$7.7M - Meyers cap hold which would no longer apply
+
$6M in space that we'd free
=
$16.7M

So how are you accounting for the other money that Howard will make?

 

[BonesJones]

Let me break this down for you -

You remove Cliff, Montero, Hendo, Kaman, and Roberts. That gets us to $25,337,465.00.

Parsons max is around 22 million. That leaves 3.3 million in space. You can't just clear six million and then sign Meyers. Meyers will eat up the cap space, and we can't match 20+ million in salary. The only way to do it is to release our free agents and clear 7 million in cap.

You can receive up to 125% in a trade if going over the cap....

 

[BonesJones]

So how are you accounting for the other money that Howard will make?

Trading Meyers $16M for Dwight's $20M works even though we're going over the cap because you're allowed to to recurrence 125% more in a trade.

 

[Pinwheel1]

$24M for each. I don't see how insulting one or both is going to get them to sign here.

Maybe you are right, but I don't think 20 for Parsons is an insult if it goes up each of the 4 years. He is still getting a pay increase at 20.
Dwight opted out of his 23 mil contract so he needs to make more to save face. We need to get him the 24 he wants. His potential max is what....30?

 

[Natebishop3]

Maybe you are right, but I don't think 20 for Parsons is an insult if it goes up each of the 4 years. He is still getting a pay increase at 20.
Dwight opted out of his 23 mil contract so he needs to make more to save face. We need to get him the 24 he wants. His potential max is what....30?

31 is his max.

 

[BonesJones]

Maybe you are right, but I don't think 20 for Parsons is an insult if it goes up each of the 4 years. He is still getting a pay increase at 20.
Dwight opted out of his 23 mil contract so he needs to make more to save face. We need to get him the 24 he wants. His potential max is what....30?

I think $20M over 4 years is better. He specifically said he wanted Ru sign a long term deal. I think years is a big factor to go doing with other variables in our favor other than money.

 

[Denny Crane]

$24M is over Parsons max.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...rail_blazers_reportedly_offering_chandle.html

The largest contract the Blazers could offer Parsons under league rules is for four years and about $94.7 million.

 

[HolyBackboard]

The only way we're getting Chandler and Dwight is if each agrees to take a little less.

I know I'm not the one being asked to take a couple million less per year, but if they truly want to play together and have a chance to compete at a high level, is it really that hard to turn down 2/3 million a year?

 

[Mediocre Man]

I haven't been following because math makes my head hurt, but renouncing everyone and trading Plumlee and or Davis and or Aminu wouldn't give us enough?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I haven't been following because math makes my head hurt, but renouncing everyone and trading Plumlee and or Davis and or Aminu wouldn't give us enough?

No, we can do it that way; these folks are just trying to be clever and retain as many players as possible.

 

[Natebishop3]

I haven't been following because math makes my head hurt, but renouncing everyone and trading Plumlee and or Davis and or Aminu wouldn't give us enough?

It would.

 

[Denny Crane]

The only way we're getting Chandler and Dwight is if each agrees to take a little less.

I know I'm not the one being asked to take a couple million less per year, but if they truly want to play together and have a chance to compete at a high level, is it really that hard to turn down 2/3 million a year?

The Blazers certainly can clear enough cap space for both.

If both want to play here and want to allow Neil the ability to re-sign one of Meyers or Mo, the two combined would have to take $7M less as starting salaries.

 

[BonesJones]

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http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...rail_blazers_reportedly_offering_chandle.html

The largest contract the Blazers could offer Parsons under league rules is for four years and about $94.7 million.

I just meant for the first year

 

[Mediocre Man]

No, we can do it that way; these folks are just trying to be clever and retain as many players as possible.

Nobody but Lillard and McCollum matter. I like the other guys, but role players are interchangable

 

[Denny Crane]

The funny thing about us getting both would be taking out Howard and his 50% FT shooting to replace him with Plums and his 51% FT shooting during hack a Dwight time.

 

[Denny Crane]

I just meant for the first year

First year MAX is $22.2M, maybe a shade under. Not $20M, not $24M. $22.2M.

 

[e_blazer]

Here's one way that the math would work, as nearly as I can tell:

According to this OLive article, the Blazers are currently $7.2M under the cap. http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...ers_offseason_guide_contracts_free_agent.html

If they waive Kaman, Roberts and Henderson, they have $26.4 M.

Parsons signs at $22M for his first year. That drops available cap space to $4.4M.

If the Blazers waive Harkless and Leonard, and trade Davis for picks, they add another $21.5M to get to a total of $25.9M, which should be enough to sign Howard at $24M.

The Blazers' roster would be:

Howard, Plumlee
Aminu, Vonleh, Alexander
Parsons, {Crabbe}, Layman
CJ, Crabbe, Connaughton
Dame, {CJ}, Monterro

What am I missing?

 

[blue9]

I've seen a few different salary numbers out there for the 16/17 season, so this might not be entirely accurate but should be close enough:

Trade Aminu for a draft pick - clears ~$7.5M
Trade Davis for a draft pick - clears ~$7M
Renounce Harkless - clears ~$7M

That's over $21M that we can offer Howard, plus any remaining cap space available after Parson's contract. That also allows us to keep Crabbe & Meyers, AAAAAAND it nets us two draft picks that we wouldn't get if we cleared the space by renouncing Crabbe/Meyers.

Basically we've traded Aminu for Parsons, Davis for Howard, and Harkless for two draft picks. That, IMO, is the best route to take. We wouldn't be losing Vonleh/Crabbe/Meyers without compensation.

 

[e_blazer]

The funny thing about us getting both would be taking out Howard and his 50% FT shooting to replace him with Plums and his 51% FT shooting during hack a Dwight time.

Yeah, we'd suddenly have to become supporters around here to an amendment of that rule.

 

[illmatic99]

There is no Hacka anymore. The league mentioned that they are doing away with it.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

There is no Hacka anymore. The league mentioned that they are doing away with it.

...yeah if Howard is a Blazer they might pause on that.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Guys stop. If we are gonna have 4 guys close max, aminu and davis are that much more important to keep on this team. They almost become untouchable just because of the value and productivity they give.

Plumlee is gone because he is gonna get paid the year after next. Get a future 1st so we get a cheap player eventually. Trade vonleh and connaughton too instead of davis.

 

[Denny Crane]

Here's one way that the math would work, as nearly as I can tell:

According to this OLive article, the Blazers are currently $7.2M under the cap. http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...ers_offseason_guide_contracts_free_agent.html

If they waive Kaman, Roberts and Henderson, they have $26.4 M.

Parsons signs at $22M for his first year. That drops available cap space to $4.4M.

If the Blazers waive Harkless and Leonard, and trade Davis for picks, they add another $21.5M to get to a total of $25.9M, which should be enough to sign Howard at $24M.

The Blazers' roster would be:

Howard, Plumlee
Aminu, Vonleh, Alexander
Parsons, {Crabbe}, Layman
CJ, Crabbe, Connaughton
Dame, {CJ}, Monterro

What am I missing?

I posted that scenario a few pages ago

The bench is basically Crabbe, Plums, and Vonleh.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yeah, we'd suddenly have to become supporters around here to an amendment of that rule.

There is no Hacka anymore. The league mentioned that they are doing away with it.

...yeah if Howard is a Blazer they might pause on that.

I was making a joke.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If you have $3M in cap space, all you have to do is clear $6M in space to sign Meyers for $16M and stay under the cap.

$3M in cap space
+
$7.7M - Meyers cap hold which would no longer apply
+
$6M in space that we'd free
=
$16.7M

Bones--you're a freaking genius. I completely forgot about the fact that BYC only kicks in if the initial signing puts you over the cap. So, yes, if all the UFA's and Mo are renounced, we at that point have 9.7M in space (all dependent on the actual not-yet-calculated salary cap), factoring in MyLe's cap hold.



Now, Houston, Portland, Dwight, and Leonard would all have to be in agreement, but yes, we would at that point be able to trade a S&T Leonard at $18M for a S&T Dwight at $23M (have to be within $5M if both sides are sending over $10M).

However, why would Houston help us? Is Leonard worth the $18M they'd have to pay him in order to make that happen?

 

[Natebishop3]

Bones--you're a freaking genius. I completely forgot about the fact that BYC only kicks in if the initial signing puts you over the cap. So, yes, if all the UFA's and Mo are renounced, we at that point have 9.7M in space (all dependent on the actual not-yet-calculated salary cap), factoring in MyLe's cap hold.

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Now, Houston, Portland, Dwight, and Leonard would all have to be in agreement, but yes, we would at that point be able to trade a S&T Leonard at $18M for a S&T Dwight at $23M (have to be within $5M if both sides are sending over $10M).

However, why would Houston help us? Is Leonard worth the $18M they'd have to pay him in order to make that happen?

Bones was trying to keep Harkless.

 

[Denny Crane]

Bones--you're a freaking genius. I completely forgot about the fact that BYC only kicks in if the initial signing puts you over the cap. So, yes, if all the UFA's and Mo are renounced, we at that point have 9.7M in space (all dependent on the actual not-yet-calculated salary cap), factoring in MyLe's cap hold.

View attachment 9436

Now, Houston, Portland, Dwight, and Leonard would all have to be in agreement, but yes, we would at that point be able to trade a S&T Leonard at $18M for a S&T Dwight at $23M (have to be within $5M if both sides are sending over $10M).

However, why would Houston help us? Is Leonard worth the $18M they'd have to pay him in order to make that happen?

Verajao costs us $2M in cap space.

And no, I think the Rockets would be batshit goofy to pay Leonard that kind of money. They get the cap space themselves and could use it on better (more proven) players.

 

[e_blazer]

I posted that scenario a few pages ago

The bench is basically Crabbe, Plums, and Vonleh.

You think I want to read through pages and pages of swill to pick out the few pearls of wisdom?

Add a couple of vets using exceptions and I am good with that roster.

 

[42N8Bounce]

I'm not sure where you got the 20%/HALF salary thing.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89

If a team re-signs its Larry Bird or Early Bird free agent in order to trade the player in a sign-and-trade transaction, the player's new salary is greater than the minimum, he receives a raise greater than 20%, and the team is at or above the cap after the signing, then the player's outgoing salary for trade purposes is either his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater. The team receiving the player always uses his new salary.