Howard a possibility still?

[Schilly]

What is a possibility we haven't reall elaborated on is both players being willing to take less to make it work. We know they are buddies and have wanted to play with each other for sometime. For all we know there are contingencies involved like Parsons as in he gets max but is willing to take less if we can get Howard too.

 

[Denny Crane]

I am a big Ed Davis fan. He's bounced around the league a bit because his services are valuable, but circumstances like us having a shot at Howard means he has to go. Wherever he's been, he's been a solid contributor. I'd love it if we could manage to keep him.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89

Only if the Blazers are over the cap after the signing. See the footnotes.

 

[blue9]

What is a possibility we haven't reall elaborated on is both players being willing to take less to make it work. We know they are buddies and have wanted to play with each other for sometime. For all we know there are contingencies involved like Parsons as in he gets max but is willing to take less if we can get Howard too.

Yes, I think that's a given but we'd still have to clear salary for Howard even if both Parsons and Howard take a bit less.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Verajao costs us $2M in cap space.

And no, I think the Rockets would be batshit goofy to pay Leonard that kind of money. They get the cap space themselves and could use it on better (more proven) players.

Varejao's dead money is factored in on the calculator. Look at the image--it's right there.

I agree that it wouldn't make sense for them to do it, but since everyone's talking about the idea of S&T'ing Leonard to Houston for Dwight, I thought it prudent to actually use the salary figure that would be required if the trade put us over the cap (which it would have to if we're not clearing all the space by renouncing everyone and dealing Davis or Aminu).

 

[Natebishop3]

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89

So to us, trading Meyers would account for 50% of his salary off our cap.

For Houston (hypothetically) it would account for 100% of his salary on their cap.

So the trade wouldn't work because we would only be sending out 50% of Meyer's deal and receiving 100% of Dwights.

 

[42N8Bounce]

Only if the Blazers are over the cap after the signing. See the footnotes.

In what scenario are we not over the CAP? Keep in mind, CAP holds apply to CAP calculations.

 

[santeesioux]

He's meeting with the Hawks right now.

 

[blue9]

S&Ting Meyers for Howard is so much more difficult than finding a team willing to give a protected pick for a value contract like Davis and Aminu.

 

[tester551]

So to us, trading Meyers would account for 50% of his salary off our cap.

For Houston (hypothetically) it would account for 100% of his salary on their cap.

So the trade wouldn't work because we would only be sending out 50% of Meyer's deal and receiving 100% of Dwights.

ONLY if Portland is over the cap in signing Meyers. If they stay below - then Meyer's outgoing salary counts as 100%.

 

[Denny Crane]

Varejao's dead money is factored in on the calculator. Look at the image--it's right there.

I agree that it wouldn't make sense for them to do it, but since everyone's talking about the idea of S&T'ing Leonard to Houston for Dwight, I thought it prudent to actually use the salary figure that would be required if the trade put us over the cap (which it would have to if we're not clearing all the space by renouncing everyone and dealing Davis or Aminu).

My bad, I didn't see it.

It might be more appealing to Houston to trade Howard to us for Aminu, Leonard, and Davis. Leonard at $7M or higher.

 

[tester551]

In what scenario are we not over the CAP? Keep in mind, CAP holds apply to CAP calculations.

No - because you waive all your other cap holds (Kaman, Hendo, etc).

 

[illmatic99]

Hawks meeting with Dwight in ATL now:



Wonder if Neil is out there scoping.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

In what scenario are we not over the CAP? Keep in mind, CAP holds apply to CAP calculations.

the scenario I outlined here, for example. Of course, as I noted, if Dwight's and Leonard's salaries aren't within $5M of one another, the point is completely moot.

 

[Denny Crane]

In what scenario are we not over the CAP? Keep in mind, CAP holds apply to CAP calculations.

We're $24M under before we sign Parsons.

The order of the deals matters.

We'd have to clear $22M worth of space to sign Parsons still.

 

[santeesioux]

Shit, Dwight and the Hawks had a really strong meeting.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

My bad, I didn't see it.

It might be more appealing to Houston to trade Howard to us for Aminu, Leonard, and Davis. Leonard at $7M or higher.

Can't combine a S&T player with other players, otherwise that'd be great.

 

[Denny Crane]

the scenario I outlined here, for example. Of course, as I noted, if Dwight's and Leonard's salaries aren't within $5M of one another, the point is completely moot.

The $5M is what is gained if we could sucker the Rockets into a bad deal.

 

[Denny Crane]

Can't combine a S&T player with other players, otherwise that'd be great.

We don't have to sign anyone, really. Let the Rockets extend Leonard. The three are $21M in cap space on the books as is.

 

[illmatic99]

Every meeting goes well.

 

[blue9]

Every meeting goes well.

Except Lakers meetings!

 

[Eastoff]

Dude, what do you do with all the time you are saving by typing like that!?

I don't know, but it sure costs me a lot of time understanding it. Frankly, I skip over most of his posts because of it.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

We don't have to sign anyone, really. Let the Rockets extend Leonard. The three are $21M in cap space on the books as is.

I think we've established several times in several threads that there are ways to clear all the necessary space by essentially renouncing all the FA's and dealing Aminu or Davis for a pick. My understanding is that the discussion here was whether or not there were ways to get both Parsons and Howard while also keeping at least two of Aminu/Davis/Harkless.

I'm waiting to see a scenario that makes that possible without: A) Dealing both Plumlee/Vonleh, or B) Getting Houston or Dallas to take a severely overpaid Leonard in S&T.

 

[Denny Crane]

Maybe we're being a bit misguided in thinking of a S&T deal with Houston. What about doing a deal with Dallas for Parsons instead?

Dallas could use Aminu, since they have nobody at the SF position. They'd probably take Harkless, too. They have $30M in committed salaries, so plenty of cap space. If they'd take Mo, Aminu, and Leonard for Parsons, that's $21M off our books. We could be over the cap and make that deal.

 

[Denny Crane]

So to us, trading Meyers would account for 50% of his salary off our cap.

For Houston (hypothetically) it would account for 100% of his salary on their cap.

So the trade wouldn't work because we would only be sending out 50% of Meyer's deal and receiving 100% of Dwights.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89

If a team re-signs its Larry Bird or Early Bird free agent in order to trade the player in a sign-and-trade transaction, the player's new salary is greater than the minimum, he receives a raise greater than 20%, and the team is at or above the cap after the signing1, then the player's outgoing salary for trade purposes is either his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater. The team receiving the player always uses his new salary.

 

[illmatic99]

Maybe we're being a bit misguided in thinking of a S&T deal with Houston. What about doing a deal with Dallas for Parsons instead?

Dallas could use Aminu, since they have nobody at the SF position. They'd probably take Harkless, too. They have $30M in committed salaries, so plenty of cap space. If they'd take Mo, Aminu, and Leonard for Parsons, that's $21M off our books. We could be over the cap and make that deal.

That's a very shitty deal for us. Man, am I glad you're not our GM.

 

[Orion Bailey]

that depends
do you miss the rains down in Africa?

That would be 4 times as much Toto though, right?

 

[Denny Crane]

I think we've established several times in several threads that there are ways to clear all the necessary space by essentially renouncing all the FA's and dealing Aminu or Davis for a pick. My understanding is that the discussion here was whether or not there were ways to get both Parsons and Howard while also keeping at least two of Aminu/Davis/Harkless.

I'm waiting to see a scenario that makes that possible without: A) Dealing both Plumlee/Vonleh, or B) Getting Houston or Dallas to take a severely overpaid Leonard in S&T.

Maybe we're being a bit misguided in thinking of a S&T deal with Houston. What about doing a deal with Dallas for Parsons instead?

Dallas could use Aminu, since they have nobody at the SF position. They'd probably take Harkless, too. They have $30M in committed salaries, so plenty of cap space. If they'd take Mo, Aminu, and Leonard for Parsons, that's $21M off our books. We could be over the cap and make that deal.

My scenario allows us to keep Davis.

 

[Natebishop3]

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89

If a team re-signs its Larry Bird or Early Bird free agent in order to trade the player in a sign-and-trade transaction, the player's new salary is greater than the minimum, he receives a raise greater than 20%, and the team is at or above the cap after the signing1, then the player's outgoing salary for trade purposes is either his previous salary or 50% of his new salary, whichever is greater. The team receiving the player always uses his new salary.

You can't trade any other players with a recently signed player.

 

[Denny Crane]

That's a very shitty deal for us. Man, am I glad you're not our GM.

WTF?

We have to dump those guys to clear the cap space to sign both Parsons and Howard.

The deal would effectively be Mo, Aminu, and Leonard for Parsons and Howard. Is that a good deal?