Howard a possibility still?

[Denny Crane]

You can't trade any other players with a recently signed player.

Who is this "recently signed player?"

Leonard is a $7M cap hold
Harkless is a $7M cap hold
Aminu is a $7.6M salary

Add it up and we save $21.6M in cap space if we offload them to Houston or Dallas in a S&T.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Hawks meeting with Dwight in ATL now:



Wonder if Neil is out there scoping.

He has Jason Quick peeking though the blinds.

 

[Mediocre Man]

That would be 4 times as much Toto though, right?

No one will ever convince me that little dog was from Africa

 

[illmatic99]

WTF?

We have to dump those guys to clear the cap space to sign both Parsons and Howard.

The deal would effectively be Mo, Aminu, and Leonard for Parsons and Howard. Is that a good deal?

Yes and in those dumps (especially), I'm guessing we will be getting picks at least in return. In your deal, we get just Parsons and Dwight as a FA.

Not maximizing our assets at all.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Dwight is a big damn kid. Blazers would probably score some points if they took him to an amusement park, or something fun. Not even kidding. Have the meeting over paintball. He'd love that, and it would show him they did their homework. He's a huge lego fan. Ellen had a bust made of him in legos. Portland should put him in a Blazers uniform at the presentation . Jesus, do I have to think of everything?

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes and in those dumps (especially), I'm guessing we will be getting picks at least in return. In your deal, we get just Parsons and Dwight as a FA.

Not maximizing our assets at all.

It saves us $3M in cap space. We get Howard's $24M salary in exchange for $21M of cap holds and salary.

It allows us to keep Ed Davis, too.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

All for naught, we aint getting either

 

[PtldPlatypus]

My scenario allows us to keep Davis.

You're having difficulty reading again, I see. I said "two of" Aminu/Harkless/Davis. All the proposals I've seen have us keeping only Davis, or only Aminu, or only Harkless.

And again, you cannot include any other players in a S&T deal. If we were to S&T Leonard to Dallas, we wouldn't be able to send Aminu along with him.

 

[Chris Craig]

Parsons is gone. Howard is gone. Close thread.

 

[Rhal]

fuck even the grizz get FA over us, it just never changes for Portland.

 

[Chris Craig]

fuck even the grizz get FA over us, it just never changes for Portland.

It's pretty sad and pathetic....mediocrity is our thing

 

[Natebishop3]

Who is this "recently signed player?"

Leonard is a $7M cap hold
Harkless is a $7M cap hold
Aminu is a $7.6M salary

Add it up and we save $21.6M in cap space if we offload them to Houston or Dallas in a S&T.

You can't trade a cap hold..... what are you talking about?

 

[Denny Crane]

You're having difficulty reading again, I see. I said "two of" Aminu/Harkless/Davis. All the proposals I've seen have us keeping only Davis, or only Aminu, or only Harkless.

And again, you cannot include any other players in a S&T deal. If we were to S&T Leonard to Dallas, we wouldn't be able to send Aminu along with him.

Why do we need to sign Leonard?

Dallas can extend him. His $7M cap hold going off our books is what matters.

 

[Natebishop3]

Why do we need to sign Leonard?

Dallas can extend him. His $7M cap hold going off our books is what matters.

You. Can't. Trade. Cap. Holds.

 

[Denny Crane]

You can't trade a cap hold..... what are you talking about?

You're not trading the cap hold, you're removing the cap hold by trading the player.

We need ~$24M in cap space to make room for Howard.

The cap holds or salaries of the three players add up to $21M. Almost enough to cover Howard's salary with cap space.

The players are gone, the $21M is achieved, we already have $24M to sign one of the players. This would get us to $45M in cap space.

 

[Chris Craig]

WE ARENT GETTING HOWARD!

 

[Natebishop3]

You're not trading the cap hold, you're removing the cap hold by trading the player.

We need ~$24M in cap space to make room for Howard.

The cap holds or salaries of the three players add up to $21M. Almost enough to cover Howard's salary with cap space.

You have to SIGN the player to TRADE the player. You can't trade a free agent.

 

[Chris Craig]

You have to SIGN the player to TRADE the player. You can't trade a free agent.

Jesus Christ

 

[Denny Crane]

You have to SIGN the player to TRADE the player. You can't trade a free agent.

OK.

But I'm not seeing where you can't trade players in combination with others in S&T situations.

Feel free to correct me on that.

 

[Denny Crane]

If some team is willing to do S&T for the players individually in exchange for picks, fine.

Otherwise we can clear the cap space by renouncing the two RFAs and a trade (Aminu for a pick) to gain the remaining cap space needed.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

OK.

But I'm not seeing where you can't trade players in combination with others in S&T situations.

Feel free to correct me on that.

Yes and no; I'm amending my previous statements on this. It appears that you can combine the player in an S&T if the entire signing is done using cap space; another wrinkle of which I was unaware. So yes, you are correct: if we are under the cap, and we re-sign Leonard to a (say) $13M deal that keeps us under the cap, we would, in fact, be able to include another player in that S&T.

Well done, sir. I retract my previous objections to your S/T Leonard + Aminu for Howard suggestions.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q84 (footnote 5)

 

[EGame]

this thread can probably be closed now. Sly? lol

Sucks that it has come to this, but it was expected even if we chose to be optimistic about free agency for once.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

this thread can probably be closed now. Sly? lol

Sucks that it has come to this, but it was expected even if we chose to be optimistic about free agency for once.

Disagree. Howard is still a (1%) possibility.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes and no; I'm amending my previous statements on this. It appears that you can combine the player in an S&T if the entire signing is done using cap space; another wrinkle of which I was unaware. So yes, you are correct: if we are under the cap, and we re-sign Leonard to a (say) $13M deal that keeps us under the cap, we would, in fact, be able to include another player in that S&T.

Well done, sir. I retract my previous objections to your S/T Leonard + Aminu for Howard suggestions.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q84 (footnote 5)

(I think exception, like Bird, satisfies the requirement as well)

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

No longer a possibility

3yrs, 70 M to the Hawks

 

[BlazerCaravan]

WE ARENT GETTING HOWARD!

Oh thank god.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

No longer a possibility

3yrs, 70 M to the Hawks

You have to think Millsap may want to go, I don't see him as a 3 and I don't think he'd like being the 6th man.

 

[Chris Craig]

(I think exception, like Bird, satisfies the requirement as well)

No longer a possibility

3yrs, 70 M to the Hawks

So are they moving Horford to the 4, and Millsap to the bench...0h wait Horfords leaving

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Horford to BOS or they are moving Milsap imo. I don't see those 3 working.

 

[Chris Craig]

Jesus the Thunder are going to sign Horford...we are so fucked it's not funny