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The video doesn't provide enough background to really take a side. Those that claim they would have stood up and clapped for this kid already have a bias that they're blindly hoping this video proves. And even if this video is an accurate representation of both sides of the story, I can agree with his point, but his way of expressing his displeasure shouldn't be applauded and is pretty stupid.

So you don't feel you can judge entirely where to stand because of the limited knowledge you have of the situation, but you have enough information to judge his actions as being foolish and that they should be discouraged? I think this line of thinking is contradictory and typical of the bow-before-authority crowd.
 
So you don't feel you can judge entirely where to stand because of the limited knowledge you have of the situation, but you have enough information to judge his actions as being foolish and that they should be discouraged? I think this line of thinking is contradictory and typical of the bow-before-authority crowd.

Excellent display of a reading comprehension failure.

Try reading it again.

Hint: Pay attention where I typed "if this video is an accurate representation of both sides of the story..."
 
The video doesn't provide enough background to really take a side. Those that claim they would have stood up and clapped for this kid already have a bias that they're blindly hoping this video proves. And even if this video is an accurate representation of both sides of the story, I can agree with his point, but his way of expressing his displeasure shouldn't be applauded and is pretty stupid.

The kid wasn't disciplined and the teacher was put on leave. Tells me that there were probably complaints about the teacher previous to this courageous young man standing up and expressing things not only for himself, but also for his generation. I see a young man with a bright future if he's given the right type of educational mentors and leaders.
 
Yes the kid is a real fucking hero. While other high school students donate their time to community service projects, to the elderly, to making an impact on society, joining clubs like the book club or yearbook . . . this kid gets on his soapbox for a 30-60 seconds of rant and is gone.

Why doesn't he practice what he preaches and put some time into making his thoughts into action. Go to teachers privately, write the principal a letter and follow up, go to the student body . . . get other kids interested in changing things Isn't that his grip, teacher isn't motivating students and he has all the answers. Yet his way of dealing with it is to vent at the teacher?

My guess is he is some lazy ass student who talks a good game but wouldn't put the time in it really takes to change things he says he cares so much about. Instead he will throw out his revolutionary thoughts as he bitches to the teacher. Deep man, real deep.

So many kids are full of talk but don't have the work ethics to back up what they are so passionate about . . .
 
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Yes the kid is a real fucking hero. While other high school students donate their time to community service projects, to the elderly, to making an impact on society, joining clubs like the book club or yearbook . . . this kid gets on his soapbox for a 30-60 seconds of rant and is gone.

Why doesn't he practice what he preaches and put some time into making his thoughts into action. Go to teachers privately, write the principal a letter and follow up, go to the student body . . . get other kids interested in changing things Isn't that his grip, teacher isn't motivating students and he has all the answers. Yet his way of dealing with it is to vent at the teacher?

My guess is he is some lazy ass student who talks a good game but wouldn't put the time in it really takes to change things he says he cares so much about. Instead he will throw out his revolutionary thoughts as he bitches to the teacher. Deep man, real deep.

So many kids are full of talk but don't have the work ethics to back up what they are so passionate about . . .

Is this the part where you start screaming at people looking at you while parked on their street again?

The kid is back in class, the teacher has been booted. I'm guessing you never went to a shitty school. LOL about "community service". That's what rich kids at rich public and private schools have time to do to pad their college resumes. Many kids in urban or poor environments are just trying to stay in school or have a home to live in that night. Look up Duncanville...
 
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Is this the part where you start screaming at people looking at you while parked on their street again?

The kid is back in class, the teacher has been booted. I'm guessing you never went to a shitty school. LOL about "community service". That's what rich kids at rich public and private schools have time to do to pad their college resumes. Many kids in urban or poor environments are just trying to stay in school or have a home to live in that night. Look up Duncanville...

No this is the part you start screaming at people how stupid Americans are.

American citizens are stupid and this guy is a hero . . . you got America (or whatever it is you call it) all figured out.
 
Yes the kid is a real fucking hero. While other high school students donate their time to community service projects, to the elderly, to making an impact on society, joining clubs like the book club or yearbook . . . this kid gets on his soapbox for a 30-60 seconds of rant and is gone.

Why doesn't he practice what he preaches and put some time into making his thoughts into action. Go to teachers privately, write the principal a letter and follow up, go to the student body . . . get other kids interested in changing things Isn't that his grip, teacher isn't motivating students and he has all the answers. Yet his way of dealing with it is to vent at the teacher?

My guess is he is some lazy ass student who talks a good game but wouldn't put the time in it really takes to change things he says he cares so much about. Instead he will throw out his revolutionary thoughts as he bitches to the teacher. Deep man, real deep.

So many kids are full of talk but don't have the work ethics to back up what they are so passionate about . . .

Agree with the sentiment.

And honestly the kid came off as a dumbass... not sure why so many folks are giving his ramblings so much credit... he's in high school, not elementary school.

Maybe the teacher sucks, but who didn't have a lot of shitty high school teachers? That's high school man... the kid just chose to go about it in the wrong way... I think Treaty of Batum probably has him pegged.
 
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Uhh it worked, he obviously went about it the right way.

Y'all are d-bags
 
Uhh it worked, he obviously went about it the right way.

Y'all are d-bags

Yep. Teacher suspended, kid back in class.

Of course, he could have gone through various bureaucratic channels to voice his complaints, because that always works out well. Or, he could have just called out a lazy teacher who was in CTC mode, had somebody film it, and got her lazy ass suspended while giving a good speech.

Not surprised that the Democrats here are the ones defending the teacher, BTW. This kid is a hero, IMO. I never had a teacher this bad in HS, but I certainly didn't notice any of the kids shouting him down in favor of their 'leader' in the classroom. Since she's on leave, I'm going to guess she berated the kids for not passing tests. More of this story will soon come out, I'm sure.
 
Uhh it worked, he obviously went about it the right way.

Y'all are d-bags

Yep. Teacher suspended, kid back in class.

Of course, he could have gone through various bureaucratic channels to voice his complaints, because that always works out well. Or, he could have just called out a lazy teacher who was in CTC mode, had somebody film it, and got her lazy ass suspended while giving a good speech.

Not surprised that the Democrats here are the ones defending the teacher, BTW. This kid is a hero, IMO. I never had a teacher this bad in HS, but I certainly didn't notice any of the kids shouting him down in favor of their 'leader' in the classroom. Since she's on leave, I'm going to guess she berated the kids for not passing tests. More of this story will soon come out, I'm sure.

You're both missing the point that Treaty of Batum and I were hitting on, about the kid in question.

From what I took out of Treaty of Batum's post, both of our points focus on the kid rather than the teacher. For all I know, the teacher could be completely inept, but none of us are in a place to make a judgement about that. What we are capable of making a judgement about though, is what we saw from the clip, with that kid's semi-incoherent rant. I think Treaty of Batum has the kid pegged pretty well from that.

And PapaG, don't give me this bullshit about bureaucratic channels... we're talking about high school, not government. I also saw you talking about people's personal experiences with other posters, telling them to look up Duncanville... shit... look up MEMPHIS! I went to school in one of the worst educational systems in the nation, and I turned out pretty damn fine... and I've had several teachers like this. I'm not saying those teachers shouldn't have been fired, but what I can say with confidence is that I've got this kid pegged... I've had kids like that in my classes, the redneck kids who are frustrated being at a city school... and that kid just comes off as just as much of a dumbass as every kid I've known in that situation...

Should the teacher have been let go? It depends... we need more backstory. I'm not going to get into the educational system down here in the South, because that'll lead to a lot of long-winded arguments and rants on my part, but I'll be real... my first response to this video was, "that teacher probably sucks, but what a douche that kid is..."
 
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Excellent display of a reading comprehension failure.

Try reading it again.

Hint: Pay attention where I typed "if this video is an accurate representation of both sides of the story..."

Yeah, I saw that soon after I posted it. I wasn't able to delete it so I left it there as a point to at least mock with validity the holier-than-art-thou bullshit that you assume.
 
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You're both missing the point that Treaty of Batum and I were hitting on, about the kid in question.
What we are capable of making a judgement about though, is what we saw from the clip, with that kid's semi-incoherent rant.

You seriously couldn't grasp with fullness every point that kid made? Ay Caramba! I grew up in a good school system but had a fucked up home life being orphaned at 11 and going through a whole lot of shit related to it. I promise you that good school system did nothing to prepare me for life's troubles; in fact, it made it tougher due to my sharing little in common with my middle-class peers. I'm going to assume you had a decent home at least(which is most important), otherwise you'd be a fucking outlier spouting this self-referencing success story, not just a product of a relatively good home and of relatively good genes.
 
I think the teacher's disinterested tone during her response was the thing that bothered me the most. And in her (lackluster) response to the student's rant, she seemed more concerned with the fact that he was "wasting her time" rather than how he was showing disrespect to her position, setting a terrible precedent for how to deal with inept authority figures, and disrupting the rest of the class, potentially hindering their opportunity to learn (if, in fact, she was doing any teaching).

I agree that under normal circumstances, his tack was wrong on many levels. But I also can see the value in the method chosen, especially if the videography was pre-planned. I do worry, however, that the success of this protest has the potential to spawn others in less worthy situations.
 
The kid wasn't disciplined and the teacher was put on leave. Tells me that there were probably complaints about the teacher previous to this courageous young man standing up and expressing things not only for himself, but also for his generation.

Could be true. But the video doesn't show any of that, which is all most people have to base their initial opinion on. I didn't do any more research on it, and I'm sure most didn't either. So to say, purely from the video, that the kid should get a standing ovation and be applauded is pretty silly.

I see a young man with a bright future if he's given the right type of educational mentors and leaders.

I disagree. This type of ranting and reaction to something you disagree with doesn't work in the real world and in business, even if you are completely right. The ability to disagree and express those disagreements through the correct channels and in the correct tone is what gets rewarded in real life.
 
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Yeah, I saw that soon after I posted it. I wasn't able to delete it so I left it there as a point to at least mock with validity the holier-than-art-thou bullshit that you assume.

Awesome. You can't read correctly, go on a completely irrational rant directed at me, and then pull the "you're holier-than-art-thou" card. Ironic.
 
where to start..

its only HS and that is just the way it is...fuck that thinking..here in Corvallis, one of the highest educated communities in Oregon, we have a sub par 67 percent HS graduation rate...and this is a privileged area...

That kid lives in a shit hole, left school and came back, is an 18 year soph..wants to learn and is getting zero help....he should accept this shit?

He went about it the wrong way...yeh..even he knows this..but to pile on about "the right way", what a farce...this "right thinking" would have kept Rosa Parks in the back of the buss, giving upher seat to a white man...no VN protests, no watergate, zip...fuck that, I still want to believe that ONE person can start to make a difference..
 
Nobody speaks up like if they don't care. So not knowing the circumstances that made him speak up in the first place I'm not sure I can say he had a legitimate beef with his teacher, but I guess I'm just glad to see somebody that gives a shit about their education.

I'm suddenly just a hair more optimistic about the human race than I was when I woke up this morning ... I'm sure it will pass though.
 
Yes the kid is a real fucking hero. While other high school students donate their time to community service projects, to the elderly, to making an impact on society, joining clubs like the book club or yearbook . . . this kid gets on his soapbox for a 30-60 seconds of rant and is gone.

Why doesn't he practice what he preaches and put some time into making his thoughts into action. Go to teachers privately, write the principal a letter and follow up, go to the student body . . . get other kids interested in changing things Isn't that his grip, teacher isn't motivating students and he has all the answers. Yet his way of dealing with it is to vent at the teacher?

My guess is he is some lazy ass student who talks a good game but wouldn't put the time in it really takes to change things he says he cares so much about. Instead he will throw out his revolutionary thoughts as he bitches to the teacher. Deep man, real deep.

So many kids are full of talk but don't have the work ethics to back up what they are so passionate about . . .

Yes, but who's to say the kid doesn't do other things besides speaking his mind? Who's to say he's not involved in the community? Your post way overgeneralizes, as if all HS kids volunteer and give back to the community. Seems to me that most kids I run across volunteering are there because of a requirement (maybe a school project, scouts, sport coach requires it, college requires it, got in trouble with the law or parents, etc).
 
I disagree. This type of ranting and reaction to something you disagree with doesn't work in the real world and in business, even if you are completely right. The ability to disagree and express those disagreements through the correct channels and in the correct tone is what gets rewarded in real life.

So you're saying that standing up to poor leadership or protocol is never a good option? Actions speak much louder than words, and the school district has backed this young man in both their words (agreeing about touching students' hearts) and actions (suspending a piece of crap teacher). Sometimes the grand gesture is the right move, and based on the attention given to this grand gesture, it seems to me that it should not only be applauded, but also was necessary.

This guy...
 
So you're saying that standing up to poor leadership or protocol is never a good option?

Nope. I definitely didn't say that. I'm not sure why you're trying to build a strawman about that.

Obviously there are multiple ways that one can stand up to poor leadership or people you disagree with. Some are better approaches than others. Some are completely out of line.

If he had stood up and slapped the teacher or threatened with a gun (yeah, I know, extreme example), should that have been applauded?


Actions speak much louder than words, and the school district has backed this young man in both their words (agreeing about touching students' hearts) and actions (suspending a piece of crap teacher).

Like I said earlier, this is new information that was learned after the fact. Watching the video alone doesn't give any insight to this. And most people were making their judgement based purely off the video.

Sometimes the grand gesture is the right move, and based on the attention given to this grand gesture, it seems to me that it should not only be applauded, but also was necessary.

This guy...

It sometimes is the right move, if done in the correct way. It isn't necessarily the right move if done the wrong way. There's the ol' saying: Two wrongs don't make a right.
 
Public Education is horrible.

I'm too lazy to dissect the vid, lesson over. :]
 
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Good for this kid. Glad he stood up for himself and his classmates. The most horrific part was that the teacher didn't elect to have further discourse about why he felt this way as a student and what she could do to change it. She seemed fairly laid back for what was occurring, as if she didn't care; which would make sense, if what the student said about her saying its just a paycheck for her, is indeed, true.

Lets remember he is 18 and in high school, he probably didn't go about it the right way, but I'm sure when most people were 18 and in high school, they probably blurted out on more than one occasion. Also, I'd like to add, lets not act like students don't talk back ever. They do. This HAPPENED to be one of the more thought out and less aggressive versions possible - with a clear cause and purpose.

The proper way to do so would've been to contact the Principal, but who knows what the system is like over there. Maybe bringing attention to the matter was necessary - and obviously effective. Change was needed, he spurred change, kudos to him.
 
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/05/09/duncanville-high-teacher-on-leave-after-student-viral-video-rant/

DUNCANVILLE (CBS 11 NEWS) – A Duncanville High School teacher has been placed on leave with pay after a video taken in her classroom went viral.

Social studies teacher Julie Phung is not seen in the cell phone video, which appears to have been shot by another student and starts as sophomore Jeff Bliss is leaving the room.

As the 18 year old Bliss stands from his desk, he begins to tell the teacher how to do her job. “If you would just get up and teach them instead of handing them a freakin’ packet, yo. It’s kids in here that don’t learn like that. They need to learn face to face.”

For 90 seconds he rants about Phung’s teaching style, telling her she needs to take her job “serious” and criticizing

Phung is heard telling Bliss to “get out,” “please leave” and that he is “wasting her time.”

Duncanville ISD officials say the principal met with Bliss and Phung separately this morning.

Ms. Phung, according to district, has been placed on leave with pay, after her meeting. The district says that is standard protocol during an investigation. No action was taken against the student.


“I think most school districts will tell you it’s standard operating procedure whenever there’s any allegation of employee misconduct, that the staff member be placed on administrative leave, with pay pending the outcome of the investigation. We will go through that investigation and after we’ve gathered all the facts, then we will make a determination as to whether there was any misconduct or not,” said Dr. Alfred Ray, Duncanville ISD Superintendent.

Bliss who dropped out of school at one time, stands by the claims he made in the video. “This teacher is not looking to truly give us the education we’re looking for,” he said. “As a student, if we see a teacher slacking, not putting forth the effort, we should call them out.” Bliss thinks the current education system is failing its students and needs serious change.

The video of Bliss’ rant went viral within hours of being posted. “The average video on YouTube gets 8-10 views in a 24 hour period,” said social media expert Chris Kraft, with Addison-based Splash Media. “This video got 127,000 views in 18 hours. That’s seven thousand times the normal rate.”

Less than 24 hours after it was first posted online, the video had been seen about 450,000 times by people all over the country. According to Kraft, initial social media sentiment favored the student at a rate of 6 to 1, but by Thursday afternoon that ratio had dropped to 2 to 1.

Kraft suspects support has grown for the teacher as more adults have joined the conversation, but says the video is captivating audiences of all ages because it touches on a topic kids and adults can relate to: the state of the education system in this country.

“I think what really resonated was his speech. He’s passionate about it,” said Kraft.

Duncanville High students are split on the issue. Bliss says he’s been getting support from classmates who say he had a good message. Others don’t agree.

“All my teachers teach me everything I need to know, so I’m getting a good education,” said student Tiedrica Allen.

“He could have gone about it a different way. He could have stepped to the side with the teacher and not just made a class outburst,” said student Terrance Mitchell.
 
Thanks for the update ABM.

What will be interesting is to see if the kid follows up his passion with trying to create change within the school or allow his 1.5 minutes rant to stand as his statement and impact on the school.

I hope he runs for student body, tries to start a group who share his same passion or does something to piggyback the attention he is getting with the video. His issue with the teacher is she isn't doing anything . . . his chance to show teacher and administration what someone with motivation can do.

Of course with all the attention this video is getting, I have to quote my good friend papag who say:

This nothingburger is bigger news that the bombshell information of obvious cover-ups given out today by eyewitnesses at the consulate who spoke at the Benghazi hearings.

We're People Magazine Ammmurrrica. Somebody pull my finger.


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