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MarAzul said:
Ha! If he liked Nixon then he was sure as hell different than me. Even though John Wayne was cool. No way I would ever have voted for Nixon.
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Yeah...he was a card carrying Republican redneck farmer ...WWII vet...we argued over Nixon for decades. I miss him. He tended to put guys like Trump in the city slicker carpet bagging liar category....those guys who fool the foolish and run away with the money
 
riverman said:
the voters actually gave her a popular vote win
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Actually, California did. You take Cal out of that count, and Trump won both the popular vote, and the electoral vote by a very wide margin.
 
MarAzul said:
The world looks grand to me. I can tell it is not so great for you.
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I don't tolerate liars in power....it's reality, not personal. I could ignore the news and pretend it's all gravy but I've got kids with a future to care about
 
riverman said:
Trump has thrown the constitution in the trash for ego driven self interests...there's no support for his conduct and he's an embarrassment to the nation. His conduct is a power grab that does not want a republic....free press or legislative branch...it's why he's so attracted to dictators, sultans and monarchs...I would hope you'd see through his bullshit by now Marz..the world has.
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There's your downfall. You think Marzy could ever even possibly understand.
 
MarAzul said:
Actually, California did. You take Cal out of that count, and Trump won both the popular vote, and the electoral vote by a very wide margin.
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That would be a great argument if California wasn't part of the USA.

barfo
 
MarAzul said:
Of course he is. Watching the hearing now. Not dem in the place that has not already pledged his vote to do it.
They don't even give a shit that they have no chance of getting a conviction.
Trump will stuff it up their combined ass in the next election. Win himself by more that previous 307 electoral votes. 320 to 335 range next time while taking the house back.
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Wasn't it great watching the pubs act like assholes and claim the dems are not allowing certain witnesses to testify? Gosh, who was the one that ordered people in and fired from his administration not to testify in front of the intel committee. In other words, further evidence of obstruction of justice as told by constitution experts. Your boys had nothing but a bunch of yelling and accusations. I also noticed another one of your posts have been removed. This seems to be happening almost daily to you. :biglaugh:
 
barfo said:
That would be a great argument if California wasn't part of the USA.

barfo
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True. They are, but perhaps maybe 10m of them are not. A really weird thing was in the marine news sheet there in Oxnard while I was there.
The town is absolutely over flowing, estimates run as high as 50% illegal. The official population of the City is 160k as I recall. The weird thing in the news was
the combined districts that make up Oxnard, more votes for Clinton were cast than the population of Oxnard.

Ha! That is just one city.

Ca, NY, TX, Fl, IL can really run up the Pop vote count, but we vote state by state 8 million votes more than you need to win CA, doesn't mean shit.
 
riverman said:
I don't tolerate liars in power....it's reality, not personal. I could ignore the news and pretend it's all gravy but I've got kids with a future to care about
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Every second of your existence since you were born there have been liars in power. Afraid that's reality.
 
noknobs said:
Every second of your existence since you were born there have been liars in power. Afraid that's reality.
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yeah...and I've been calling them out everyday of my life...I don't think some have been liars..Gandhi was a pretty honest dude....the Dalai Lama is an honest dude..Nelson Mandela was an honest dude..Jimmy Carter, Ike and Obama seemed honest...had a few bosses that wouldn't pass the test but Trump....this guy is blatant and compulsive about lying.
 
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riverman said:
not the voters....Hillary ignored states she needed to win..Hillary lost that election..the voters actually gave her a popular vote win...she blew it when she looked for dirt on Bernie....that's reality. She was the one who thought she could mail in a campaign and ride Obama's popularity into an easy win....she's no Obama..she also played cute in the debates when she should've bitch slapped Donald....the "high road" didn't work out so well..Joe Biden is my fear right now...he's not as electable as Hillary.
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Good points, I really think the media was a huge detriment though. They were calling a Trump presidency an impossibility the day before the election, there was no sense of urgency to prevent Trump from getting elected. People in this county listen to the media. They saw the reports, stayed home instead of voting and woke up with a hangover.
 
jonnyboy said:
Good points, I really think the media was a huge detriment though. They were calling a Trump presidency an impossibility the day before the election, there was no sense of urgency to prevent Trump from getting elected. People in this county listen to the media. They saw the reports, stayed home instead of voting and woke up with a hangover.
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I think more than the media in the last election, people watched reality tv and beauty pageants
 
One way Trump could put an end to all this is release the entire recordings of the phone calls with Ukraine.
 
bluefrog said:
One way Trump could put an end to all this is release the entire recordings of the phone calls with Ukraine.
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He should do what Nixon did...resign with a plea bargain.or pardon and just..go back to his life and start his TV station
 
riverman said:
My father rest his soul was a die hard, John Wayne, Nixon loving republican and I know for a fact he'd have hated Donald Trump representing his party....as an Iowa dairy farmer I can hear him say...don't trust those New York lawyers! They don't value the truth! ...I don't think conservatives today understand how many guys are like my dad who are disgusted by Trump.
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I don't think you understand how many conservatives are disgusted Nixon and with Nixon-lovers.

Nixon was a liar, a racist, a war-monger, and sold out Americans to China for the Deep State.
 
MARIS61 said:
I don't think you understand how many conservatives are disgusted Nixon and with Nixon-lovers.

Nixon was a liar, a racist, a war-monger, and sold out Americans to China for the Deep State.
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This just means you don't have a clue about my father or me...he was a racist, a conservative and a hard line republican....we were photo negatives of each other...I served during Nixons hayday and fuck him. My mom was a closet Kennedy voter who would never let my father know that....don't pretend to know what I understand. Our generation is filled with people who dumped ignorant fears and racial judgements...and disagreed with their fathers sometimes to the point of no return...I made my peace with him over a 3 hour phone call days before he passed....forgiveness is cathartic..
 
riverman said:
This just means you don't have a clue about my father or me...he was a racist, a conservative and a hard line republican....we were photo negatives of each other...I served during Nixons hayday and fuck him. My mom was a closet Kennedy voter who would never let my father know that....don't pretend to know what I understand. Our generation is filled with people who dumped ignorant fears and racial judgements...and disagreed with their fathers sometimes to the point of no return...I made my peace with him over a 3 hour phone call days before he passed....forgiveness is cathartic..
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Eerily similiar to my dad and my relationship with him. He was also a John Wayne loving hard line conservative and staunch republican. He was a fan of Reagan and daddy Bush. He was racist. My mom is liberal, but never discussed politics with my dad.

I never agreed with my dad's views, but I understood why he had them. He was born on a military base, raised hard. He was his fathers doppleganger. He served in vietnam until he got shot.

I was too my father's photo negative. He used to call me his clone, but as I learned from him and my mother, and looked at the world with my own eyes, I decided on what I felt was right, and more than often that clashed with views of my father. I too made my peace with my father as he lay on his death bed. Cathartic indeed.
 
Chris Craig said:
Eerily similiar to my dad and my relationship with him. He was also a John Wayne loving hard line conservative and staunch republican. He was a fan of Reagan and daddy Bush. He was racist. My mom is liberal, but never discussed politics with my dad.

I never agreed with my dad's views, but I understood why he had them. He was born on a military base, raised hard. He was his fathers doppleganger. He served in vietnam until he got shot.

I was too my father's photo negative. He used to call me his clone, but as I learned from him and my mother, and looked at the world with my own eyes, I decided on what I felt was right, and more than often that clashed with views of my father. I too made my peace with my father as he lay on his death bed. Cathartic indeed.
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It took me a lifetime to understand what PTSD meant to the children of the Great Depression who left the dustbowl to fight in WWII......my parents were both orphaned during the Depression and reunited with their parents after the war....not a lot of those folks understood their own PTSD.
 
riverman said:
He should do what Nixon did...resign with a plea bargain.or pardon and just..go back to his life and start his TV station
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The liberal American's hope for salvation after losing an election. Pathetic.
 
MarAzul said:
The liberal American's hope for salvation after losing an election. Pathetic.
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The result of your last election was not a win....it was a loss of Constitutional process......that's pathetic. Obstructing justice is pathetic...Donald Trump is pathetic...continuing to support the guy is pathetic...it has nothing to do with "liberal". Ask the 100 cabinet members he's fired how "liberal" they are. If you choose to be entirely subjective about your conservative identity....you're not paying attention to actual intelligent conservatives...only spin puppets. Trump's behavior is not defensible but you are hanging onto divisive team sports as politics....thing about left and right wings....it takes both to fly the plane...with only one you just end up going in circles. Lying blatantly is not commendable by a leader of the free world....Trump is not uniting our great nation...he's dividing it deeper than anytime in modern history..all for his ego....wake up my friend. When Trump's ship sinks, he'll get on the first lifeboat and let the women and children drown. You voted for a coward without the skills to lead even a beauty pageant. True conservatives don't want a monarchy that stifles the press and refuses to cooperate with the legislative branch of govt....in the end....I'll enjoy watching the crow eating contest
 
riverman said:
I'll enjoy watching the crow eating contest
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I hope you put in a supply of nutritious alternative to carry you and your through the wait.
But man! You know, enjoying this farce the Dems are putting on is sick.

 
MarAzul said:
I hope you put in a supply of nutritious alternative to carry you and your through the wait.
But man! You know, enjoying this farce the Dems are putting on is sick.

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Obstruction of justice and witness tampering...not even gotten to tax evasion and money laundering.....the farce got your vote...there is no defense left to prop up your partisan loyalty...I have nothing but time to watch while America protects the republic from becoming a monarchy.....I've always had you pegged as a Royal family admirer..that's not how the Constitution works. Trump gave them no choice...he wouldn't follow the rule of law throughout this whole process. You can't explain that away just to expose your dislike of the Democratic party. Trump doesn't get to lie and call it facts. Intelligent people have seen through his insults and fear of non support...crowd sizes...world affairs or domestic peace. He's a shallow reality tv personality....totally unqualified to build a team and lead all americans…
 
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Lanny said:
He won't be re-elected. You can take that to the bank.
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Lanny, There are dumb ass people on every city block and morons for every country mile. Unfortunately, their votes would count.
 
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