Hugo Chávez wins referendum allowing indefinite re-election

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Venezuelans yesterday voted to abolish term limits for elected officials, boosting Hugo Chávez's ambition to rule the country for decades.

Electoral authorities said 54% of voters in the referendum backed a constitutional amendment allowing indefinite re-election, with 46% rejecting it – a margin of almost 1 million voters.

An exultant Chávez appeared on the balcony of the presidential palace in Caracas to address cheering supporters after the result was announced. "It is a clear victory for the people," he said. "It is a clear victory for the revolution."

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Ugh.

I guess he just keeps putting votes out there until he "wins".

Ed O.
 
Great. Inadvertently coming across his loud annoying propaganda speeches for the rest of my life. Or his life.
 
It is just a matter of time before there is a war down there. It's been brewing for a few years.
 
Clinton would still be president if he got rid of term limits. We would have never gone to Iraq, our economy would be unbelievable strong and stable, and nobody would know or care who W. Bush is. Term limits aren't always a good thing.

That place was horrible before Chavez arrived. Plus I have respect for anyone who humiliates the CIA like Chavez did when they attempted a coup.
 
Clinton would still be president if he got rid of term limits. We would have never gone to Iraq, our economy would be unbelievable strong and stable, and nobody would know or care who W. Bush is. Term limits aren't always a good thing.

Um. What?

People wouldn't know the governor of Texas, the President's son? Is that why no one knows who Jeb Bush is?

As for "unbelievably strong and stable" economy... you're kidding, right?

Ed O.
 
You're fucking kidding me right? Want me to tell you about the scars on my dads back because he was against the rise of Saddam and the Ba'ath party.

His point was, I would bet, that elections aren't always anything approaching legitimate.

I'm not expert on current Venezuelan politics, but I believe Chavez has had the ability to shut down opposition voices as well as to disenfranchise dissidents.

56%, or 62%, or whatever percent you want to say above 51%, doesn't necessarily mean a lot in that environment.

Ed O.
 
You're fucking kidding me right? Want me to tell you about the scars on my dads back because he was against the rise of Saddam and the Ba'ath party.

My point was that "elections" in some countries aren't as transparent as elections in free societies.

I view the "56% of Venezuelans" vote with the same skeptical eye that I view the sham "election" that Saddam held prior to to his demise. I meant no offense to any of the brave Iraqi citizens who stood up to that animal. I'm PMing you this as well, because men like your dad are heroes.
 
His point was, I would bet, that elections aren't always anything approaching legitimate.

I'm not expert on current Venezuelan politics, but I believe Chavez has had the ability to shut down opposition voices as well as to disenfranchise dissidents.

56%, or 62%, or whatever percent you want to say above 51%, doesn't necessarily mean a lot in that environment.

Ed O.

That was my point, but I do understand DaRizzle's defensiveness after understanding the stories I am sure he has been told about Saddam and the Ba'ath Party. I also think it is disgusting that our current administration is now normalizing relations with Syria, but that's for another thread.
 
We were in a recession in the fall of 2000. Basically, I'm just going off of the facts.

No that's not facts, that's a selected few economists opinions that were likely paid for. But whatever, 2000 LOL. Greatest recession in world history. Record jobs, record financial stability. Maybe the recession did start in 2000 though, right about when people started realizing what would happen if Bush was elected. :lol:
 
No that's not facts, that's a selected few economists opinions that were likely paid for. But whatever, 2000 LOL. Greatest recession in world history. Record jobs, record financial stability. Maybe the recession did start in 2000 though, right about when people started realizing what would happen if Bush was elected. :lol:

Is this another example of your "facts"?
 
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.996d5cb1e73d96f0dfd0871ab8daba1f.3f1&show_article=1

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td style="font-size: 20px; font-weight: bold;" valign="top" width="99%">US urges respect for democracy in Venezuela</td> <td align="right" valign="top"></td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!-- headline end --> <!-- date/author start --> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr> <td colspan="2">
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</td> </tr> </tbody></table>The United States Tuesday welcomed Venezuela's "civic" referendum lifting term limits for the president and all politicians, but urged support for democracy and tolerance in the country. "We congratulate the civic and participatory spirit of the millions of Venezuelans who exercized their democratic right to vote," State Department spokesman Noel Clay told AFP.

Venezuelans on Sunday voted 54 percent in favor of constitutional reform sought by President Hugo Chavez to run for unlimited reelection, in his bid to consolidate his brand of socialism critics compare to Cuba's communism.

Clay said that after the vote, "it is important that elected officials now focus on governing democratically and addressing the issues of concern to the Venezuelan people."

"We encourage all sectors of Venezuelan society to respect the diversity of use (of the vote) that is the strength of a pluralistic democracy," he added.

The US reaction to Venezuela's vote comes uncharacteristically before the complete tally has been announced. The country's electoral board has issued its first, 54-46 percent vote result with only 94 percent of precincts reporting.

US-Venezuelan relations have been steadily deteriorating since Chavez first took office in 1999. In September, they took a turn for the worse after Venezuela expelled the US ambassador and the United States responded in kind.
 
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.996d5cb1e73d96f0dfd0871ab8daba1f.3f1&show_article=1

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td style="font-size: 20px; font-weight: bold;" valign="top" width="99%">US urges respect for democracy in Venezuela</td> <td align="right" valign="top"></td> </tr> </tbody></table> <!-- headline end --> <!-- date/author start --> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr> <td colspan="2">
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</td> </tr> </tbody></table>The United States Tuesday welcomed Venezuela's "civic" referendum lifting term limits for the president and all politicians, but urged support for democracy and tolerance in the country. "We congratulate the civic and participatory spirit of the millions of Venezuelans who exercized their democratic right to vote," State Department spokesman Noel Clay told AFP.

Venezuelans on Sunday voted 54 percent in favor of constitutional reform sought by President Hugo Chavez to run for unlimited reelection, in his bid to consolidate his brand of socialism critics compare to Cuba's communism.

Clay said that after the vote, "it is important that elected officials now focus on governing democratically and addressing the issues of concern to the Venezuelan people."

"We encourage all sectors of Venezuelan society to respect the diversity of use (of the vote) that is the strength of a pluralistic democracy," he added.

The US reaction to Venezuela's vote comes uncharacteristically before the complete tally has been announced. The country's electoral board has issued its first, 54-46 percent vote result with only 94 percent of precincts reporting.

US-Venezuelan relations have been steadily deteriorating since Chavez first took office in 1999. In September, they took a turn for the worse after Venezuela expelled the US ambassador and the United States responded in kind.

Shouldn't we be lecturing India on how to deal with Pakistan? Oh wait, we are...
 
No, just going off where we were and where we were going. Basically I'm just going off the facts.

I don't see any "facts" in your statements, actually.

Economies are cyclical and while governmental action can probably help minimize the bad times, the odds of Clinton's leadership would have prevented the current global crisis are remote, at best, in my opinion.

Ed O.
 
No that's not facts, that's a selected few economists opinions that were likely paid for. But whatever, 2000 LOL. Greatest recession in world history. Record jobs, record financial stability. Maybe the recession did start in 2000 though, right about when people started realizing what would happen if Bush was elected. :lol:

Oh, dear. I can see you're heading into black helocopter territory. But just for fun, what does the 1.8MM jobs lost since the November election indicate?
 
Whether Clinton wants to admit it or not, he was President when Glass-Steagall was repealed, he signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act and pushed banks to lend in low-income, high-risk neighborhoods by loosening regulations and threatening them with investigation if they didn't use those looser regulations to put money in those neighborhoods.
 
Dude, way to ruin a semantic and anecdotal debate with your fancy-schmancy economic terms, and actual legislation, and stuff.
 
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