Hypocrisy regarding tolerance by the left?

[Denny Crane]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014...ne-puts-gay-republican-carl-demaio-in-corner/

Not a big fan of Fox News, but Dana Perino makes some solid points in the article. She was W's press secretRy, I believe.

The gist is this...

Mainstream republicans aren't so biased/bigots as a few hardcore idiots are.

So Republicans elect blacks. Nominate them to the Supreme Court. DeMaio here in San Diego is openly gay republican elected by republicans. There are a number of republican women either elected or who prominently ran for big office (Fiorina, etc.).

Yet left wing black organizations mercilessly work to destroy successful black republicans. Similar for left wing women's groups (like siding with Clinton vs. Paula Jones). And now LGBT groups not supporting gay republicans.

 

[RR7]

And now LGBT groups not supporting gay republicans.

Looking elsewhere, the gist of what I am reading is that he doesn't get big support from LGBT groups because

DeMaio insisted in his mayoral campaign that gay rights would “not be a priority” and he “would not push the gay agenda issues (including same-sex marriage).

I'm sure the organizations and groups are far more interested in supporting someone who will politic for their rights over someone who has their same sexuality but will not. Seems more like common sense. People voting or supporting based on their beliefs and what they feel a candidate can do for them or country as a whole. I'm sure that unions wouldn't put their support behind a union member running for office if he wasn't going to work for union rights.

 

[Denny Crane]

Looking elsewhere, the gist of what I am reading is that he doesn't get big support from LGBT groups because
I'm sure the organizations and groups are far more interested in supporting someone who will politic for their rights over someone who has their same sexuality but will not. Seems more like common sense. People voting or supporting based on their beliefs and what they feel a candidate can do for them or country as a whole. I'm sure that unions wouldn't put their support behind a union member running for office if he wasn't going to work for union rights.

From the article:

Note the bit about homophobic attacks coming at him from the left?

When I talked to DeMaio, he said he doesn’t want to emphasize his sexual orientation or his challenging childhood – he prefers to talk about the fiscal condition of the country and his candidacy to defeat freshman Rep. Scott Peters, a Democrat. But because he is who he is, and because his opponents are making an issue about his sexual orientation and lying about his record, he’s willing to talk about it. And he’s disrupting all of the stereotypes.

For instance, DeMaio has been the target of homophobic attacks. But where are those attacks coming from? It’s not always from the far right social conservatives you’d expect; rather, it’s been from DeMaio’s left – the liberal and Democrat-affiliated groups that you’d think would be proud that an openly gay successful businessman has decided to run for office.

One false attack drew the attention of the San Diego Ethics Commission. An anonymous left-wing group funded a SuperPac and sent mailers of DeMaio Photoshopped next to a drag queen to neighborhoods with a majority of elderly and African-American voters, knowing that such a photo would depress support for DeMaio.

That was so egregious and false that the group was fined by the city’s Ethics Commission, but even after that, and with his 100 percent voting record with the LGBT community, the Left still didn’t speak up to defend him. They told DeMaio, “It’s complicated.”

I’m sure. The Right, on the other hand, did speak up about it.

"I've found more tolerance, acceptance and inclusion from social conservative groups who have to reconcile that I'm a Republican who happens to be gay...versus the intolerance the LGBT leaders see me as a gay man who happens to be a Republican," DeMaio said.

 

[RR7]

Seems like a flimsy article based on one small, specific attack ad, and then crying about him not getting support from a community he isn't actively politicking for. The attack ad wasn't from a LGBT group, it was paid for by his opponent's supporters. It's a shitty ad for sure, but to act like the LGBT community isn't supporting him, though he's gay, and thus intolerant is ridiculous.

 

[Denny Crane]

Seems like a flimsy article based on one small, specific attack ad, and then crying about him not getting support from a community he isn't actively politicking for. The attack ad wasn't from a LGBT group, it was paid for by his opponent's supporters. It's a shitty ad for sure, but to act like the LGBT community isn't supporting him, though he's gay, and thus intolerant is ridiculous.

Shouldn't the LGBT community be out there denouncing it? Or do they only protect democrats?

 

[RR7]

Shouldn't the LGBT community be out there denouncing it? Or do they only protect democrats?

Maybe they did. I dunno. The article is trash though. Like a lot of political writing that tries to put a bullshit spin on something. She tries to paint it that the LGBT community is hypocritical and doesn't support him simply because he's a republican, but that's false.

 

[RR7]

Also, the egregious and false attack ad was fined because the PAC was shady and a lie. The ad wasn't saying don't vote for him because he's gay. They were fined for misrepresentation of their affiliation, not because it was a false ad, as she tries to paint it.

 

[Denny Crane]

DCCC ad:

 

[RR7]

ok.

 

[Denny Crane]

Well, that's false to begin with.

Democrats in action!

http://www.10news.com/news/demaio-a...-to-fine-local-political-consultants-10112013

SAN DIEGO - A group of local Democratic political consultants behind dozens of robocalls and a flier that aimed to keep Carl DeMaio from being elected mayor in 2012 has been fined thousands of dollars by the San Diego Ethics Commission for violating city election laws.

10News went to an office building in Fashion Valley to speak with Jesus Cardenas, one of the Democratic consultants fined and also behind the flier, but were told by Neighborhood Market Association staff that they evicted him and his consulting company Innovation Media Group last month.

Cardenas, Juan Boyce and Cynara Velazquez made up the group, "Conservatives For Gay Rights Supporting Carl DeMaio For Mayor 2012," according to the San Diego Ethics Commission.

 

[RR7]

Well, that's false to begin with.

Democrats in action!

http://www.10news.com/news/demaio-a...-to-fine-local-political-consultants-10112013

SAN DIEGO - A group of local Democratic political consultants behind dozens of robocalls and a flier that aimed to keep Carl DeMaio from being elected mayor in 2012 has been fined thousands of dollars by the San Diego Ethics Commission for violating city election laws.

10News went to an office building in Fashion Valley to speak with Jesus Cardenas, one of the Democratic consultants fined and also behind the flier, but were told by Neighborhood Market Association staff that they evicted him and his consulting company Innovation Media Group last month.

Cardenas, Juan Boyce and Cynara Velazquez made up the group, "Conservatives For Gay Rights Supporting Carl DeMaio For Mayor 2012," according to the San Diego Ethics Commission.

I don't see you supporting your case here or prvious, or refuting what I said. Don't see what good points were brought in article, it was terrible. Feel free to continue to drift away from it though.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012...ky-relationship-with-the-gay/2/?#article-copy

During the mayoral campaign, DeMaio has been booed at various LGBT-centric events, including a mayoral debate in Hillcrest, a rainbow flag-raising ceremony for the community and the annual Pride parade in which he walked alongside his longtime partner.

...


To be sure, the community overwhelmingly favors Democrats, but current Mayor Jerry Sanders, a Republican, is praised by gays for his emotional public stance in favor of same-sex marriage in 2007. DeMaio also favors same-sex marriage and has repeatedly voted in favor of LGBT issues in his four years on the City Council, but such stances have earned him little admiration.

 

[RR7]

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012...ky-relationship-with-the-gay/2/?#article-copy

During the mayoral campaign, DeMaio has been booed at various LGBT-centric events, including a mayoral debate in Hillcrest, a rainbow flag-raising ceremony for the community and the annual Pride parade in which he walked alongside his longtime partner.

...


To be sure, the community overwhelmingly favors Democrats, but current Mayor Jerry Sanders, a Republican, is praised by gays for his emotional public stance in favor of same-sex marriage in 2007. DeMaio also favors same-sex marriage and has repeatedly voted in favor of LGBT issues in his four years on the City Council, but such stances have earned him little admiration.

yep, exactly what I said, they don't support him because he's not an advocate for gay rights like they want, not strictly because he's a republican, as the article tried to say.

 

[Denny Crane]

yep, exactly what I said, they don't support him because he's not an advocate for gay rights like they want, not strictly because he's a republican, as the article tried to say.

So they boo him. Hypocrites every one of them.

 

[porkchopexpress]

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012...ky-relationship-with-the-gay/2/?#article-copy

During the mayoral campaign, DeMaio has been booed at various LGBT-centric events, including a mayoral debate in Hillcrest, a rainbow flag-raising ceremony for the community and the annual Pride parade in which he walked alongside his longtime partner.

...


To be sure, the community overwhelmingly favors Democrats, but current Mayor Jerry Sanders, a Republican, is praised by gays for his emotional public stance in favor of same-sex marriage in 2007. DeMaio also favors same-sex marriage and has repeatedly voted in favor of LGBT issues in his four years on the City Council, but such stances have earned him little admiration.

So..the LGBT community liked one republican, but dislikes another? Maybe it has more to do with how sleazy DeMaio comes off as than the fact that he is gay. Would you rather they just come out and support any gay candidate?

I actually had no clue he was gay. I based my opinion of him based on all the times he was on TV as a councilman the years before the mayoral race. Maybe they did too.

 

[Denny Crane]

Like his 100% voting record for LGBT issues.

Filner was the scumbag . It was widely known before the election. Yet the hypocrites supported him.

 

[porkchopexpress]

Like his 100% voting record for LGBT issues.

Filner was the scumbag . It was widely known before the election. Yet the hypocrites supported him.

Filner is another subject, but DeMaio looks and talks as if he'd take money from anyone.


Maybe this is why they didn't support him

Angered by his reticence on gay issues and his acceptance of campaign donations from backers of Proposition 8, California’s 2008 ban on same-sex marriage, parts of the crowd booed Mr. DeMaio at a mayoral debate at the gay and lesbian community center here.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/30/us/carl-demaio-gay-republican-runs-for-san-diego-mayor.html?_r=1&

 

[Denny Crane]

You do what you have to, sometimes, to win elections. It wasn't illegal. His voting record wasn't in favor of anything like Prop 8.

Filner is who they chose over Demaio. So he is relevant.

 

[Cryptkeeper]

We should have a sub forum in the OT section for Denny's Political Discussions

 

[PapaG]

Maybe they did. I dunno. The article is trash though. Like a lot of political writing that tries to put a bullshit spin on something. She tries to paint it that the LGBT community is hypocritical and doesn't support him simply because he's a republican, but that's false.

Seems kind of true to me, in this instance.

 

[RR7]

Seems kind of true to me, in this instance.

I don't see how. Simply because he's republican. Not because of republican-like politics of not pushing gay marriage or whatever.

 

[PapaG]

We should have a sub forum in the OT section for Denny's Political Discussions

Or, you should ignore the thread if it offends you.

 

[Denny Crane]

You'd think that the more openly gay elected republicans, the better, eh?

 

[PapaG]

I don't see how. Simply because he's republican. Not because of republican-like politics of not pushing gay marriage or whatever.

We'll have to just agree to disagree. I don't see it as any outrage, though. Hypocrisy runs rampant on both sides of the political spectrum.

 

[RR7]

Hypocrisy runs rampant on both sides of the political spectrum.

I'll agree with you there.

 

[PapaG]

You'd think that the more openly gay elected republicans, the better, eh?

You could say the same with blacks, too, yet black republicans are typically painted as Uncle Toms by the left, and are in part shunned by the black establishment.

 

[RR7]

You'd think that the more openly gay elected republicans, the better, eh?

Again, back to my generic union mention earlier. If someone was a member of a union, but would not support unions or push for union rights as a political party member, and a member of a party who might generally oppose unions, then it would stand to reason that he would not get the support of unions, even if he was himself a member of a union. They wouldn't think well, the mor union members in office the better.

 

[Denny Crane]

Again, back to my generic union mention earlier. If someone was a member of a union, but would not support unions or push for union rights as a political party member, and a member of a party who might generally oppose unions, then it would stand to reason that he would not get the support of unions, even if he was himself a member of a union. They wouldn't think well, the mor union members in office the better.

What do union politics have to do with LGBT agenda?

Sounds like you're reaching to make excuses.

The uncle tom thing PapaG brought up is equally hypocritical, and pointed out in the article.

 

[RR7]

What do union politics have to do with LGBT agenda?

Sounds like you're reaching to make excuses.

The uncle tom thing PapaG brought up is equally hypocritical, and pointed out in the article.

to make excuses? come on.

I was making an analogy. LGBT is more than likely going to support a political candidate, left or right, who will help push for LGBT rights, protection, whatever. Their "agenda", though saying agenda makes it sound bad, IMO, but we'll go with it. They would support someone who is going to bat for them, why would they support someone who won't, just because he is similar to them in sexual preference. I think it would actually be far more hypocritical of them if they supported him strictly because he was gay. Same way, I was making an analogy, sorry if it's not PERFECT, but the same way that a union wouldn't back a union member who wouldn't help push a union agenda. I'm not making excuses for anything.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014...ne-puts-gay-republican-carl-demaio-in-corner/

Not a big fan of Fox News, but Dana Perino makes some solid points in the article. She was W's press secretRy, I believe.

The gist is this...

Mainstream republicans aren't so biased/bigots as a few hardcore idiots are.

So Republicans elect blacks. Nominate them to the Supreme Court. DeMaio here in San Diego is openly gay republican elected by republicans. There are a number of republican women either elected or who prominently ran for big office (Fiorina, etc.).

Yet left wing black organizations mercilessly work to destroy successful black republicans. Similar for left wing women's groups (like siding with Clinton vs. Paula Jones). And now LGBT groups not supporting gay republicans.

The left has always spouted "tolerance" but then preaches hate to anyone who doesn't fully agree with them.

Nothing new about that. The left has always been the party of hate in America.