Hypothetically...where would Melo rank with Blazers??

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Harry's Raincoat

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If Carmelo Anthony was traded to our Blazers, where would he rank after next season (his first season in Blazers uni) on the ALL-TIME list of talented seasons by others in a Blazers uni?

I am only considering seasons by players who were wearing Blazers colors in this debate.

1. Walton 1977-78 18.9 pts, 13.2 rbs, 5.0 asst pg MVP award
2. Drexler 1988-89 27.2 pts, 7.9 rbs, 5.8 asst pg & 1991-92 25.0 pts, 6.6 rbs, 6.7 asst pg
** EDIT 3. Lillard 2016-17 27.0 pts, 4.9 rbs, 5.9 asst pg - I musta been crazy to forget him!
4. Vandeweghe 1986-87 26.9 pts, 3.2 rbs, 2.8 asst pg
5. Wicks 1971-72 24.5 pts, 11.5 rbs, 4.5 asst pg
6. B Roy 2008-09 22.6 pts, 4.7 rbs, 5.1 asst pg

*** Melo 2016-17 22.4 pts, 5.9 rbs, 2.9 asst pg

I say that IF he were to play near the level of last year with NYK, he would probably rank above former Blazers greats like Petrie, Paxson, Natt, Robinson, Wallace and Pippen. Did I forget someone? Do you disagree with my list?

Debate it!!
 
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Does Kenny Anderson deserve some attention here 17.5 pts, 7+ asssts, 4+ rebs, 2.0 stls, 2.4 TO's
 
I don't think it's worth trying to figure out where a (currently) average player ranks on an all-time list. Yes, his scoring average is pretty good, but he gets there with mediocre to sub-mediocre efficiency. And he mostly gives that inefficient scoring value back through terrible defense.
 
Blazers have had 5 players put up a PER of 24 or more.

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6 seasons with WS/48 over .210

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9 seasons with a BPM above 6 (most of them Clyde)

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Melo's best seasons ever (12-13 & 13-14) had PERs of 24.8/24.4, WS/48 of 0.184/0.172, and BPM 2.4/3.6. Even on his best day, he doesn't measure up to the Blazers' franchise all-time top 5, let alone if he put up the 17.9 PER and -0.7 BPM he had last year.
 
Minstrel said:
I don't think it's worth trying to figure out where a (currently) average player ranks on an all-time list. Yes, his scoring average is pretty good, but he gets there with mediocre to sub-mediocre efficiency. And he mostly gives that inefficient scoring value back through terrible defense.
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Agree. And chances of him becoming a Trail Blazer seem rather slim. And we already have two threads about Melo.
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
....chances of him becoming a Trail Blazer seem rather slim. And we already have two threads about Melo.
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Minstrel said:
I don't think it's worth trying to figure out where a (currently) average player ranks on an all-time list. ....
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Sorry to both of you. Didn't know there was a quota on thoughts or discussions regarding a player being discussed as a target. Didn't want to hijack the other (massive) thread for this specific purpose and different discussion. Thanks for your input. :hater:
 
Harry's Raincoat said:
Sorry to both of you. Didn't know there was a quota on thoughts or discussions regarding a player being discussed as a target. Didn't want to hijack the other (massive) thread for this specific purpose and different discussion. Thanks for your input. :hater:
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I wasn't telling you what to post. I was just giving my opinion that trying to figure out where a not-very-good Anthony would fit into the Blazers' all-time list is a waste of time. Somewhere in the middle of the list of all the players who ever played for the Blazers, IMO.

I guess a different way I could have said it is: I don't think Anthony would belong on an all-time list because he's not a very good player nowadays.
 
I thought the point of the OP is where we expect his performance to rank among other players' first year with the Blazers. Not, where does he rank all-time.

Edit: Well, gee, maybe I misread the OP, which is why I mentioned Kenny Anderson.
 
The Blazers have only had a few (5-8) players ever average over 20ppg for a season! Even in his "past his prime" status, Melo would be way, way up the list. As I showed in example in OP, he'd easily be top 10 all-time.

No harm from those that didn't want to exert the energy to think! I just was tired of talking about trade scenarios, and instead wanted to think about the potential he'd have on our team!!
 
Harry's Raincoat said:
The Blazers have only had a few (5-8) players ever average over 20ppg for a season! Even in his "past his prime" status, Melo would be way, way up the list. As I showed in example in OP, he'd easily be top 10 all-time.

No harm from those that didn't want to exert the energy to think! I just was tired of talking about trade scenarios, and instead wanted to think about the potential he'd have on our team!!
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Go back to post #5. Energy exerted. And no, 2017 Melo's season would not be close to a top-10-all-time Blazer season. Move past raw counting stats and "exert the energy" to look deeper into efficiency and impact. Melo's are both terrible.
 
Harry's Raincoat said:
The Blazers have only had a few (5-8) players ever average over 20ppg for a season! Even in his "past his prime" status, Melo would be way, way up the list. As I showed in example in OP, he'd easily be top 10 all-time.

No harm from those that didn't want to exert the energy to think! I just was tired of talking about trade scenarios, and instead wanted to think about the potential he'd have on our team!!
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Doesn't defend and is a volume shooter/scorer that likes to hold the ball and wait for a screen. Tell me how that's going to work out with Damian and CJ on the wing (who are already poor defenders and also need the ball in their hands a lot to be effective). There. I exerted some energy and gave you my thoughts that I've developed after watching this chucker play in the league for a decade. His impact on the team would be a net zero to slightly negative. That's it. That's all there is. We better get back to the never-ending Melo trade thread now.
 
Harry's Raincoat said:
The Blazers have only had a few (5-8) players ever average over 20ppg for a season!
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Brook Lopez scored 20 PPG last season. Harrison Barnes was a fraction of a point below 20 PPG. Are you saying that either of them having their 2016-17 seasons for the Blazers would give them top-ten all-time seasons for the Blazers?

Scoring is a big deal, but basing everything on PPG is extremely flawed. It ignores all the non-scoring parts of the game and doesn't even put the scoring in context of how many of the team's possessions he used and how efficiently he scored those points.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Doesn't defend and is a volume shooter/scorer that likes to hold the ball and wait for a screen. Tell me how that's going to work out with Damian and CJ on the wing (who are already poor defenders and also need the ball in their hands a lot to be effective). There. I exerted some energy and gave you my thoughts that I've developed after watching this chucker play in the league for a decade. His impact on the team would be a net zero to slightly negative. That's it. That's all there is. We better get back to the never-ending Melo trade thread now.
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I concur. Trading good young assets like Harkless for Carmelo Anthony is not a good move IMO.

I wonder if perhaps Dame and CJ are caught up in their fandom, considering they probably grew up drinking the Melo hype back when he was a big deal.
 
BBert said:
I wonder if perhaps Dame and CJ are caught up in their fandom, considering they probably grew up drinking the Melo hype back when he was a big deal.
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Very likely a factor. I suspect if Kobe Bryant had wanted out of LA a couple of years ago, a lot of players would have said, "Of course you get Kobe. He's Kobe Bryant."
 
I seem to recall a while back one or more of the stat wonks on the board (thank you stat wonks, your service is appreciated) showed how Carmello is a high volume low efficiency scorer as compared to Dame and CJ, and possibly others (Harkless, I wonder?). Do we really want a legend in his own mind player like Melo taking touches away from "better" offensive players? Not to mention his "I really don't care" defense.

I was opposed to having Melo on the Blazers from the beginning. Then I slowly came around to the idea that yeah, he would improve the team. But the more I think about it, unless we are giving NYK nothing of real value to us, he's not worth it. Let him stop the ball, take the ball out of Harden's hands, and not play defense in Houston. They deserve him.

:cheers:
 
BBert said:
I concur. Trading good young assets like Harkless for Carmelo Anthony is not a good move IMO.

I wonder if perhaps Dame and CJ are caught up in their fandom, considering they probably grew up drinking the Melo hype back when he was a big deal.
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I'll add one caveat. If they could get rid of Turner, and/or Crabbe, and/or MyLe and it took trading Harkless and bringing back Melo I would probably do that. The move wouldn't be about basketball, it would be about the books.
 
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