I am almost starting to worry now.

[BatumKaboom]

Do you guys see how Greg is playing? I am not going to go on some huge rant, but he just really looks bad out there. Looking terrible. So sluggish. No passion. No confidence. What the heck is his problem? Does he need a shrink like Martell did a couple years ago?

I can't lie. I always wonder what would have happened if we got Durant. Yeah it might mean we wouldn't have got Bayless more then likely. But at this point who cares. We would have ended up in the 13-20 ish range and we could have got a serviceable backup center for Joel. Javale McGee or Roy Hibbert... someone like that. Lineup would be...

Blake\Sergio
Roy\Rudy
Durant\Outlaw\Batum?
LMA\Frye
Joel\McGee or Hibbert

I hate to say it but I think I would prefer that lineup at this point. I want to be wrong and I hope Oden comes out of his shell. I am just thinking of how good we would be with the above lineup.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

he'll be fine. I do see the Martell syndrome here.....and no....i wouldn't still rather have Durant....long term, Center is a better prospect.

 

[maxiep]

GO is going to have to figure it out for himself. There's nothing that a bunch of internet losers like us can do.

 

[GMJ]

What I do notice is Brook Lopez is having a better rookie season than Oden is. Oden is much more physically dominant, but Lopez is the more skilled of the two. Oden is trying to get his footing in this league and Brook is already making strides.

 

[Денг Гордон]

Greg Oden reminds me of Joakim Noah/Tyrus Thomas in terms of laziness out there on the court. He's obviously much more skilled, but he posesses some traits of some monumental draft busts of the past few years.

 

[PapaG]

he'll be fine. I do see the Martell syndrome here.....and no....i wouldn't still rather have Durant....long term, Center is a better prospect.

Martell wasn't considered anywhere near the player Oden was when they were drafted.

Maybe it is time for posters here to stop railing against the Cowherds and the Quicks of the world and start seeing the disinterested player who 8k showed up for in Pioneer Square in 2007.

 

[Fogojam]

Player one: 23 MPG, 8 RPG, 1.39 BPG, 6.3 PPG
Player two: 21.5 MPG, 7.4 RPG, 1.53 BPG, 7.6 PPG


One of these players is a rookie coming off microfracture surgery who is, after 17 games, a bust. The other is an eight year veteran playing the best basketball of his career.

Get a grip people, god damn. Give the guy a break.

 

[Денг Гордон]

Player one: 23 MPG, 8 RPG, 1.39 BPG, 6.3 PPG
Player two: 21.5 MPG, 7.4 RPG, 1.53 BPG, 7.6 PPG


One of these players is a rookie coming off microfracture surgery who is, after 17 games, a bust. The other is an eight year veteran playing the best basketball of his career.

Get a grip people, god damn. Give the guy a break.

But Greg Oden is the #1 pick. Joel Pryzbrilla is the type of guy that could net you Kirk Hinirch in a trade. Greg Oden is the kind of guy that could net you an older star like Dirk Nowitzki.

 

[Fogojam]

But Greg Oden is the #1 pick. Joel Pryzbrilla is the type of guy that could net you Kirk Hinirch in a trade. Greg Oden is the kind of guy that could net you an older star like Dirk Nowitzki.

My point is for how many people screaming about how bad he is, versus how they talk about Joel, the two are playing pretty damn close.

Greg isn't playing up to his potential, but he sure as hell isn't as bad as everyone seems to want to make him out to be.

 

[ebott]

At this point we'd be much better off with Al Horford or Spencer Hawes.

But I sure as hell wouldn't trade Oden for either for those guys. I think eventually Oden will dominate like nobody else in the 2007 draft will But it's gonna take a while. I was initially thinking he'd be one of the better centers in the league late in his first or by the end of his second season if things went slowly. But now I'm thinking it won't be until his third or forth year when he's able to be consistently productive.

 

[PapaG]

My point is for how many people screaming about how bad he is, versus how they talk about Joel, the two are playing pretty damn close.

Greg isn't playing up to his potential, but he sure as hell isn't as bad as everyone seems to want to make him out to be.

Who is screaming? I just want the guy to show like he cares about the game. At his size and strength, he should be more of a factor every night.

 

[Fogojam]

Who is screaming? I just want the guy to show like he cares about the game. At his size and strength, he should be more of a factor every night.

Take a look at just about any game thread. Maybe he cares so much hes getting himself down. You have no idea. None of us do.

 

[PapaG]

Take a look at just about any game thread. Maybe he cares so much hes getting himself down. You have no idea. None of us do.

I can witness effort and engagement. Oden seems to be lacking on some nights in both of these categories.

I don't care about the numbers. Really, that does not matter to me. But effort? I hope I'm wrong, and since it is subjective, I just may be wrong.

 

[bodyman5001]

Wow, I see a game where Oden posts up on the right block, the point guard is standing there waiting to give him the ball and then when Oden gets position and is ready to get the ball the point guard swings the ball to the other guard on the other side of the court.

I am starting to think that he is getting frustrated simply because of how stupid our coach is.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

I hope none of you people who ride Oden's games to a good or bad point and make irrational one quarter/one half/one game judgements live anywhere near a bridge.

 

[Tortimer]

I'm not sure what everyone is watching but I thought Oden played ok tonight and was trying.

 

[Drink Your Milkshake]

Greg's only at about 80% percent. It's going to take him a full season to get back to 100%. We should start seeing his true promise late in the season or in the playoffs. But it won't be until next year that you see Greg playing at 100%

 

[RoyToy]

I agree Tortimer. Oden looked fired up from the tip to me.

 

[RayDavies]

Drama Queens.

Oden is a work in progress, people. He wasn't going to come in and set the world on fire- not even right out of college; we all saw his record setting proficiency at fouling in the 07 summer league. His physical gifts, which he was able to coast on in HS and College, are not enough in the NBA. Greg needs some time to learn post play. He needs to figure out how to really use his size to his advantage. He is still not in the best shape.

I know it's hard to be patient, but we need to give him a season or two before we decide if he is a bust. Thing is, there is no point in imagining what could have been w/ Durant. We didn't pick him. And anyway, WTF has he done to help OKC win to this point?

 

[craigehlo]

I like to compare Oden with other centers in the league, not the lofty expectation from draft night.

Using that comparison, he's a solid rookie center. He'll never be the 2nd coming of Shaq, but I think we can expect some Ben Wallace rebounding and defense in the next couple seasons.

 

[RayDavies]

Ben Wallace rebounding and defense in the next couple seasons.

which is what this team needs.

We allow a lot of layups, particularly with this terrible lineup that Nate had in at one point: Sergo/Rudy/Outlaw/Frye/Przy... That lineup should never happen. Ever. That's the "lets funnel everybody to Joel, including every off-ball member of the opposing team, allowing them to crash the boards and thus score many second chance points" crew. Our help D, overall, needs help.

 

[BatumKaboom]

Player one: 23 MPG, 8 RPG, 1.39 BPG, 6.3 PPG
Player two: 21.5 MPG, 7.4 RPG, 1.53 BPG, 7.6 PPG


One of these players is a rookie coming off microfracture surgery who is, after 17 games, a bust. The other is an eight year veteran playing the best basketball of his career.

Get a grip people, god damn. Give the guy a break.

Add FG% and Fouls in those stats. Make it more fair.

 

[Денг Гордон]

I like to compare Oden with other centers in the league, not the lofty expectation from draft night.

Using that comparison, he's a solid rookie center. He'll never be the 2nd coming of Shaq, but I think we can expect some Ben Wallace rebounding and defense in the next couple seasons.

I like to compare Oden to this super player that I call Super Center, which is a combination of Shaquille O'neal, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Tim Duncan, and David Robinson.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

I like to compare Oden to this super player that I call Super Center, which is a combination of Shaquille O'neal, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Tim Duncan, and David Robinson.

I like to compare him to the chinese food I ate tonight: IT WAS DELICIOUS.

This makes no sense but yet it does..

 

[BrianFromWA]

I like to compare Oden to this super player that I call Super Center, which is a combination of Shaquille O'neal, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Tim Duncan, and David Robinson.

It's not fair to compare him to a 350# guy who generally only played on crappy teams, is almost 70 years old, doesn't have a personality and spent his first two years after school not even caring about the NBA. oh yeah, and who has almost 25 rings.

 

[cdub503]

swear to god just wait till 3/4ths the season or more is done if he still sucks THEN worry..... oden will get his handle on things.... untill then just be patient, a lot of you guys act like he should just touch the ball and it be gold. REMEMBER. hes 20, this is his rookie season, he just came off of a MAJOR surgery, and hes 20. just because he looks like a god damn 30 year old man child veteran doesnt mean hes actually one.... give him some god damn time and if he still "sucks" 3/4 the way through then you can complain with meaning until then the shit you say now doesnt mean shit. and for all of the double doubles hes had a few off games isnt going to kill anyone even though we lost today

 

[Денг Гордон]

We'll trade you guys Tyrus Thomas for Rudy Fernandez. That way the Blazers will have a living example of what a bust is, a daily reminder to motivate Oden every day!

 

[alex42083]

I'm not worried about Greg yet. Barkley was right.. he's played one year of real ball (at Ohio State), he's only 20, and he's not going to dominate the NBA right away. He just looks like a rookie who hasn't played in awhile and is coming off big surgery, and has a big load on his shoulders.

 

[cdub503]

i'm not worried about greg yet. Barkley was right.. He's played one year of real ball (at ohio state), he's only 20, and he's not going to dominate the nba right away. He just looks like a rookie who hasn't played in awhile and is coming off big surgery, and has a big load on his shoulders.

exactly

 

[PapaG]

I'm not worried about Greg yet. Barkley was right.. he's played one year of real ball (at Ohio State), he's only 20, and he's not going to dominate the NBA right away. He just looks like a rookie who hasn't played in awhile and is coming off big surgery, and has a big load on his shoulders.

Barkley also said that he would take Andrew Bynum over Greg Oden for the future on Colin Cowherd's show.