I am PISSED at our medical staff!

[tlongII]

What the EFF was Brandon playing for last night! Now his hamstring's hurt again? I just don't understand it! He said he still felt tightness in the hamstring and they still let him play! I'm not a doctor, but I've read about hamstring injuries and what I know is all that you can do is have the person REST. You rest it until you don't feel it anymore and THEN you can play. Our medical staff has got to go.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

What the EFF was tlong doing this morning! Another medical staff thread? I just don't understand it! He said his fingers hurt so he couldnt use the search function! I'm not a mod, but I've read about finger injuries and what I know is all that you can do is have the finger REST. You rest it until you don't feel it anymore and THEN you can search & post. Our lazy posters have got to go.

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153211&highlight=medical (another medical staff thread tlong started)

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151293&highlight=medical

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151121&highlight=medical

 

[tlongII]

My inability to use the search function is not costing us games.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

My inability to follow my own advice/joke is also not costing us games.

 

[maxiep]

C'mon. Hamstrings are tricky. They heal when they heal. The only way to find out if they healed is to test them. I don't blame the trainers for this one.

It's just been that kind of season for us. Hopefully, we're stacking all our injuries in one season.

 

[Tince]

Brandon was ready to give it a go. It's not the like medical staff can see "tightness" on an MRI, they have to trust the person who is injured. You should be pissed at Roy if anyone...

 

[tlongII]

Brandon was ready to give it a go. It's not the like medical staff can see "tightness" on an MRI, they have to trust the person who is injured. You should be pissed at Roy if anyone...

They can't see it, but they can hear him say it and he did. Again, everything I have read says you rest it until you don't feel anything.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

They can't see it, but they can hear him say it and he did. Again, everything I have read says you rest it until you don't feel anything.

You should also be pissed at Nate for allowing Brandon to play. If you are capable of reading up on proper hamstring care, he should be too.

 

[hasoos]

The Medical Staff had nothing to do with this decision. This was Brandon and Nate deciding to give it a run. I really doubt on a hamstring "Pull" they have much input anyhow.

 

[Tince]

They can't see it, but they can hear him say it and he did. Again, everything I have read says you rest it until you don't feel anything.

I'm unaware of the conversations Roy and the medical staff had yesterday. I know Mike and Mike were talking during the game that you can go through warmups without feeling anything, but it's impossible to simulate game speed. I'm unsure why someone like Roy couldn't simulate game speed, but apparently he couldn't. Had he gone "game speed" in practice or shoot-around, he would have known to not play.

 

[BGrantFan]

It sounds to me like Roy didn't actually reinjure this hamstring, but that it still isn't fully healed, and he is limited in what he can do because of it. I'm not sure how that is the fault of the medical staff, but I certainly understand the frustration that posters feel.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

Actually it sounds like Brandon didn't want to go, but Nate 'nudged' him into playing. So maybe we shouldn't be upset with Roy or the medical staff, but someone else.

 

[BGrantFan]

Actually it sounds like Brandon didn't want to go, but Nate 'nudged' him into playing. So maybe we shouldn't be upset with Roy or the medical staff, but someone else.

I must have missed that one. After the game, Roy mentioned how it felt fine during warm-ups, but it started getting tight in the game. He said nothing about Nate pressuring him to play.

 

[LittleAlex]

He didn't injure it anymore then it was. He just didn't feel he could continue playing at a level that would help the team.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Actually it sounds like Brandon didn't want to go, but Nate 'nudged' him into playing. .

Where did you read that?

 

[The Sebastian Express]

Where did you read that?

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2010/02/portland_109_la_clippers_87_ma.html

Roughly an hour before tipoff, Roy walked off the Rose Garden floor after warming up and said he would not play Tuesday night. But 30 minutes later, after a nudge from coach Nate McMillan, Roy decided to give it a go for the first time in 12 games.

 

[RagingBull04]

Whether or not what has gone on this year is their fault, I think I would replace and overhaul the whole staff.

 

[tlongII]

In my opinion, the medical staff should have a strong voice in deciding whether or not someone should play. The fact is they did (or at least should have) know that his hammy still felt tight. I don't understand how you let him play knowing that? I was absolutely SHOCKED when I found out he was starting last night. I just don't get it?

 

[handiman]

Hamstrings are tricky. They heal when they heal. The only way to find out if they healed is to test them.

Actually, hamstrings are probably the easiest muscle group to treat. But they're also among the most poorly treated in terms of rehab work. They can linger like crazy or they can be solved quickly. It just depends on who is doing the work. The extent or location of the injury has little impact. That's why I'm hoping for the impossible -- seeing a detailed breakdown of what treatment Roy has had done on the hammy and by whom.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

We need to hire this guy.

 

[BrianFromWA]

No comments on Freeman's article about Nate's "nudge" to Brandon to play after Roy didn't think he should go?

 

[BGrantFan]

No comments on Freeman's article about Nate's "nudge" to Brandon to play after Roy didn't think he should go?

I listened to Roy after the game on The Game. He said it was his decision to play and that he felt great in warm-ups.

 

[Blazer_Hippie]

Actually, hamstrings are probably the easiest muscle group to treat. But they're also among the most poorly treated in terms of rehab work. They can linger like crazy or they can be solved quickly. It just depends on who is doing the work. The extent or location of the injury has little impact. That's why I'm hoping for the impossible -- seeing a detailed breakdown of what treatment Roy has had done on the hammy and by whom.

I don't buy that for a second.

What is this miracle cure for ALL hamstring injuries that works for every player regardless of the extent of the injury? It's funny that no sports teams have heard of this despite the fact that they pay tens of millions to their athletes...in fact, why don't you PM me and we'll put together a business informing each team about this amazing, always successful cure and we'll charge teams a million dollars each to get the presentation!!

 

[BrianFromWA]

So who lied? Roy or Freeman?

BE: Before the game you said you weren't going to play

Roy: I was going back and forth since last night. Will Friday be a difference? I don't think so. I've been off it for awhile. Just one practice and it felt like it was back. Let me see if this is a pain I can play with. For about a quarter and a half I was feeling like I can deal with it as long as it doesn't get tight. At the end of the second quarter (it started to get tight.)

Doesn't sound like it felt great in warmups. And Brandon's concern was about game speed. From his mouth, again.

Was it your decision or Nate's decision for you to play tonight?

It was both of ours. We talked before the game. I told him the biggest thing I'm kind of cautious about is game speed. I can practice and do one on one drills, I can do those all day. It was that game speed I was always afraid of. [McMillan] told me the only way you're going to know is if you go out there. It was both our decision. I was going back and forth. 'Coach, I'm going to play.' And then next thing, 'Coach I don't think I should.'

At 5:58, he'd told Quick he didn't feel comfortable playing. Nate said Rudy was starting. Then, after a closed-door meeting, at 6:20 it was reported that Roy would play.

It seems Brandon either lied about how he felt at 5:58 (did he feel "Great" or "not comfortable playing"?), or he lied after the game to cover for the decision.

 

[Blazer_Hippie]

So who lied? Roy or Freeman?



Doesn't sound like it felt great in warmups. And Brandon's concern was about game speed. From his mouth, again.



At 5:58, he'd told Quick he didn't feel comfortable playing. Nate said Rudy was starting. Then, after a closed-door meeting, at 6:20 it was reported that Roy would play.

It seems Brandon either lied about how he felt at 5:58 (did he feel "Great" or "not comfortable playing"?), or he lied after the game to cover for the decision.

Or the less conspiratorial option...he told the truth when he said he was going back and forth on the decision. It's tricky to know when to come back and test it so there is no obvious right or wrong answer until after the fact...

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'm not being conspiratorial. If he was going back and forth, that seems to me to not be "great". If he said it was "great" in warmups, then that's lying. For whatever reason...he doesn't need to explain it to me. But it's not the truth.

 

[Blazer_Hippie]

I'm not being conspiratorial. If he was going back and forth, that seems to me to not be "great". If he said it was "great" in warmups, then that's lying. For whatever reason...he doesn't need to explain it to me. But it's not the truth.

Sometimes when people talk, they contradict themselves. I guess my thresh hold for calling it "lying" is higher.

The way I interpret all of these statements is that it didn't feel perfect, but it felt good enough to give it a try. After playing a bit it no longer felt like he should continue playing on it so he stopped.

 

[gatorpops]

No comments on Freeman's article about Nate's "nudge" to Brandon to play after Roy didn't think he should go?

The way I read and understand the article by Freeman, is that it was his subjective opinion that is given that Nate "nudged' Roy to play.

How or where does he get that info? Roy said the opposite at the post game interview I believe.

 

[e_blazer]

McMillan did give Brandon a little push towards playing, according to an LA Times article on the game:

"I talked to him before the game and I thought he needed a little push," McMillan said. "He was more concerned about conditioning."

From Brandon's interview last night, it sounded as though the general discussion was that Brandon was still feeling it and was leaning towards not playing, and McMillan said something to the affect that he was going to have to test it in a game situation at some point. Obviously, this wasn't the best of decisions, but they were certainly planning on giving it a go on Friday anyway so it probably would have been the same result then.

I don't think that the medical staff deserve to be bashed over this. I'm sure all parties knew that there was a risk, but it was Brandon's and Nates decision for him to play. I think now they'll do what they should have done intially and shut him down until it's completely healed. Hopefully, that will be before the end of the regular season.

 

[Blazer_Hippie]

The way I read and understand the article by Freeman, is that it was his subjective opinion that is given that Nate "nudged' Roy to play.

How or where does he get that info? Roy said the opposite at the post game interview I believe.

...and a "nudge" can be different things to different people. It could be as simple as a conversation like:

Nate saying..."there was this time when I pulled a hamstring and I got out and tested it and found out I could play"

Broy "Really? I've been nervous to try, but hearing that, I think I'll give it a go"

*end of nudge...