I am preparing for the worst

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jun 19 2008, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I still think we are trading to Portland for expiring.

Channing Frye
Sergio Rodriguez
Raef LaFrentz
Martell Webster
13th pick

for

Richard Jefferson
Trenton Hassell
Marcus Williams</div>

I doubt they'll wanna give up Channing Frye. Even if they didn't, I'd love that trade.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 19 2008, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also, with #4, I like that idea. I hope that's the FO mindset from now on, it makes this team much easier to root for.</div>

yeah, you don't want a roster full of those guys, but two or three wouldn't hurt--you keep them around for a year or two and you see what happens.

 

[SportsTicker]

Of course, if the Nets trade RJ for Love and expiring contracts, the IZOD Center will be empty.

I completely agree with Dumpy on his long held belief that we should stop spending money on retreads.

Giving Magloire $4 million prevented the Nets from going after Posey. No one else would give guaranteed deals to Armstrong or Allen. I doubt either will be in the league next year. The 2005-06 bench included guys who never played again or barely played: Murray, Padgett, McInnis. Not to mention the two guys they (luckily) dumped for Nachbar: Jackson and Johnson.

And they have been willing to sign players to deals with buyouts that complicate their salary cap:

The Nets had to pay $500,000 to Cliff Robinson last season, the cost of his buyout.

They had to pay $400,000 to Padgett, the cost of his buyout.

Enough. Give me someone with the POSSIBILITY of improvement.

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jun 19 2008, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I still think we are trading to Portland for expiring.

Channing Frye
Sergio Rodriguez
Raef LaFrentz
Martell Webster
13th pick

for

Richard Jefferson
Trenton Hassell
Marcus Williams</div>

I doubt the deal would be that good.

 

[reganomics813]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jun 19 2008, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Channing Frye
Jarret Jack
Raef LaFrentz
Josh McRoberts
13th pick

for

Richard Jefferson
Trenton Hassell
21st pick</div>

I think it would look more like this. Doubt they want Marcus and assuredly they'll want a pick.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

Wasn't McRoberts the highest rated rookie in NBA Live 2008?
DO IT THRON!

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jun 19 2008, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jun 19 2008, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Channing Frye
Jarret Jack
Raef LaFrentz
Josh McRoberts
13th pick

for

Richard Jefferson
Trenton Hassell
21st pick</div>

I think it would look more like this. Doubt they want Marcus and assuredly they'll want a pick.
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we'd probably need martell or outlaw back.

 

[reganomics813]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 19 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>we'd probably need martell or outlaw back.</div>

I'm not super crazy about either of those guys but Portland loves Outlaw and he's not just gonna be a throw in to a deal like a guy like Frye would. Webster is the more expendable out of the two most definitely with Fernandez coming on for them.

 

[Universe]

Ray Allen, who is 32 years old goes for the 5th overall pick and Delonte West.

Richard Jefferson is no Ray Allen but he's putting up big scoring numbers and is only 27 years old.

I wish we could get something along those lines at least.

 

[Astral]

Lets look at it this way. Is there a significant chance that either Outlaw or Webster turns into a legitimate starter? Maybe Outlaw. The pick we get isn't going to be ultra helpful either, unless it's to package all of our picks and get a top 5 pick.
This is nothing more than a salary dump. We dump ~$18.5M on their heads for the 09/10 season, while we only have to deal with Outlaw's $4M salary in 09/10. Basically, we save around $15M for the 09/10 season.

P.S. Has anyone checked out the Portland Trailblazers website recently? It's sick!
http://www.nba.com/blazers/team/

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jun 19 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lets look at it this way. Is there a significant chance that either Outlaw or Webster turns into a legitimate starter? Maybe Outlaw. The pick we get isn't going to be ultra helpful either, unless it's to package all of our picks and get a top 5 pick.
This is nothing more than a salary dump. We dump ~$18.5M on their heads for the 09/10 season, while we only have to deal with Outlaw's $4M salary in 09/10. Basically, we save around $15M for the 09/10 season.</div>

The fundamental issue is whether RJ's value has peaked--most notably, whether his defense and quickness will not rebound. If you think it has, then you must concede that the Nets won't contend with a core of Harris-Vince-RJ. It also would make sense to deal RJ when his value is at its highest for an asset that, even if it doesn't directly help the Nets win immediately, will retain or increase in value over the next year or two.

Look, the Nets won't deal Harris or Vince. Starting with those two pieces, how do you best build a winning team? How important is RJ in that formula?

The best approach may be to deal RJ for Brand . . . but that will hinge on Brand opting out; Brand not wanting to return to the Clippers; and Brand recognizing that there isn't a team that can afford to pay him without pulling off a S&T. If the Nets could toss in Marcus (for salary?) and get back the #7 pick, all the better! You may then be able to deal the #7, #10, and #21 for the #3 or something like that, if you want to.

 

[Astral]

I personally think that RJ will rebound. But I am be wrong.

There's a question though. Are we trying to build a winning team or are they trying to make a legitimate franchise, hoping to sign LeBron in the 2010 off-season? Having Harris/Carter/Brand would eat at least $40-42M. Signing LeBron for around $20M/year seems impossible.

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jun 19 2008, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I personally think that RJ will rebound. But I am be wrong.

There's a question though. Are we trying to build a winning team or are they trying to make a legitimate franchise, hoping to sign LeBron in the 2010 off-season? Having Harris/Carter/Brand would eat at least $40-42M. Signing LeBron for around $20M/year seems impossible.</div>

I'd like to hope that the Nets aren't just planning on treading water, waiting for an event that may very well not happen. Not to mention that LeBron is a selfish prima donna who doesn't respect his teammates.

 

[reganomics813]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 19 2008, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not to mention that LeBron is a selfish prima donna who doesn't respect his teammates.</div>

To be fair Danny Ferry's done a pretty crap job of surrounding him with the right pieces.

The theory behind trading RJ is simple. He's tough to move now and he's only gonna get harder to trade as the years go on. Whatever we have to do to get his contract off the books must be done. It is nothing personal towards him whatsoever.

 

[SportsTicker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Jun 19 2008, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 19 2008, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not to mention that LeBron is a selfish prima donna who doesn't respect his teammates.</div>

To be fair Danny Ferry's done a pretty crap job of surrounding him with the right pieces.

The theory behind trading RJ is simple. He's tough to move now and he's only gonna get harder to trade as the years go on. Whatever we have to do to get his contract off the books must be done. It is nothing personal towards him whatsoever.
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I think this may be the toughest year to move him...three years and $48 million is a lot to take on. That last year is a player option.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 19 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jun 19 2008, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I personally think that RJ will rebound. But I am be wrong.

There's a question though. Are we trying to build a winning team or are they trying to make a legitimate franchise, hoping to sign LeBron in the 2010 off-season? Having Harris/Carter/Brand would eat at least $40-42M. Signing LeBron for around $20M/year seems impossible.</div>

I'd like to hope that the Nets aren't just planning on treading water, waiting for an event that may very well not happen. Not to mention that LeBron is a selfish prima donna who doesn't respect his teammates.
</div>

If LeBron, LeBron's family, LeBron's agent or LeBron's butler is reading this please disregard these comments.

All Nets fans think you are the tits!

 

[danxcr]

LOL... i love lebron! and would love u in a nets uniform

 

[networks]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jun 19 2008, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I personally think that RJ will rebound. But I am be wrong.

There's a question though. Are we trying to build a winning team or are they trying to make a legitimate franchise, hoping to sign LeBron in the 2010 off-season? Having Harris/Carter/Brand would eat at least $40-42M. Signing LeBron for around $20M/year seems impossible.</div>

If Lebron does decide to come to the Nets, IMO VC is the odd man out. IMO if he isnt traded ala Kidd before 2010, he is trade bait for S&T to get lebron the max only to be let go for cap purposes the next year. People shouldnt expect a Harris/VC/Lebron type team. That would be terrible. We would need a younger, cheaper Allen type spotup shooting SG then a VC type SG.

 

[danxcr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (networks @ Jun 19 2008, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jun 19 2008, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I personally think that RJ will rebound. But I am be wrong.

There's a question though. Are we trying to build a winning team or are they trying to make a legitimate franchise, hoping to sign LeBron in the 2010 off-season? Having Harris/Carter/Brand would eat at least $40-42M. Signing LeBron for around $20M/year seems impossible.</div>

If Lebron does decide to come to the Nets, IMO VC is the odd man out. IMO if he isnt traded ala Kidd before 2010, he is trade bait for S&T to get lebron the max only to be let go for cap purposes the next year. People shouldnt expect a Harris/VC/Lebron type team. That would be terrible. We would need a younger, cheaper Allen type spotup shooting SG then a VC type SG.
</div>

and thats gonna be a courtney lee! or a westbrook! cmon thorn make this happen !

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 19 2008, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 19 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jun 19 2008, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I personally think that RJ will rebound. But I am be wrong.

There's a question though. Are we trying to build a winning team or are they trying to make a legitimate franchise, hoping to sign LeBron in the 2010 off-season? Having Harris/Carter/Brand would eat at least $40-42M. Signing LeBron for around $20M/year seems impossible.</div>

I'd like to hope that the Nets aren't just planning on treading water, waiting for an event that may very well not happen. Not to mention that LeBron is a selfish prima donna who doesn't respect his teammates.
</div>

If LeBron, LeBron's family, LeBron's agent or LeBron's butler is reading this please disregard these comments.

All Nets fans think you are the tits!
</div>

Yes, I love the way he yells at his teammates during timeouts. Of course, that's partly the coach's fault for letting him get away with it. However, there's no one to blame for the way he looks at the bench, rolls his eyes, and shakes his head derisively while jogging back on defense after a teammate commits a turnover--completely showing him up. I can't wait to cheer for this guy.

 

[soul driver]

I agree Dumpy, but I still hope for him to mature a bit. I fear that a market such as Brooklyn could just make him more arrogant, however.

 

[danxcr]

look, if he lebron had teammates that actually did things for him... he would be like that... put him here with a harris and possibly a brand and hes whole attitude will change (hopefully)

well kobe does the same... all the superstars do...

did you not see wade this season with ricky davis? he would constantly shake his head and play so lazy when davis did his antics

 

[lukewarmplay]

and that's why kobe is a loser.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 19 2008, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 19 2008, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jun 19 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jun 19 2008, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I personally think that RJ will rebound. But I am be wrong.

There's a question though. Are we trying to build a winning team or are they trying to make a legitimate franchise, hoping to sign LeBron in the 2010 off-season? Having Harris/Carter/Brand would eat at least $40-42M. Signing LeBron for around $20M/year seems impossible.</div>

I'd like to hope that the Nets aren't just planning on treading water, waiting for an event that may very well not happen. Not to mention that LeBron is a selfish prima donna who doesn't respect his teammates.
</div>

If LeBron, LeBron's family, LeBron's agent or LeBron's butler is reading this please disregard these comments.

All Nets fans think you are the tits!
</div>

Yes, I love the way he yells at his teammates during timeouts. Of course, that's partly the coach's fault for letting him get away with it. However, there's no one to blame for the way he looks at the bench, rolls his eyes, and shakes his head derisively while jogging back on defense after a teammate commits a turnover--completely showing him up. I can't wait to cheer for this guy.
</div>

Puleeze. LeBron is unselfish in his play. He gives his teammates plenty of chances to shine whether they take advantage of it or not.

If he gets visibly frustrated, it's called being human. What other team in history has asked a guy his age to do so much?

He doesn't know how to be a leader. He's a child.

He's also the best player in the league and he's years away from his prime.

 

[Real]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jun 19 2008, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's also the best player in the league and he's years away from his prime.</div>

If Kobe, Kobe's family, Kobe's agent, or any Laker or Kobe fans on S2 are reading this please disregard these comments.

Kobe definitely is the tits too!