I am so sick of Greg Oden.

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We don't need KD and Oden is our guy but if we had to pick a different player it wouldn't be KD but Horford.
 
it takes two years to come back from microfracture surgery, AND he has never played in the NBA, AND he only played 1 year of college.

What a lame thread this is.

Sorry, you'll have to wait two years to see glimpses of the real G.O.
 
mikeg said:
i "loved" how we had oden guarding bass at one end (a bad matchup quickness-wise) and guarded by dirk and his four fouls at the other end, yet never posted greg once. how can he help on offense if we never post him? and if dallas is playing dirk at center and bass at the four, why are we not going small? instead, nate went big, but didn't call a single post up to make dallas pay for our size advantage.
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Yup,that's on Nate. I was shocked when he started calling plays to LMA to actually get Dirk into foul trouble and continued to attack him when we thought of it, but we didn't do it enough. Then Dirk comes back in the game with 4 fouls and he was just letting guys score when they came at him, but we kept on settling for jumpers.
 
Stevenson said:
it takes two years to come back from microfracture surgery, AND he has never played in the NBA, AND he only played 1 year of college.

What a lame thread this is.

Sorry, you'll have to wait two years to see glimpses of the real G.O.
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I said this at the beginning of the season and it's obvious some people's expectations are just unrealistic. What sucks is that Greg needs playing time to get some experience and it's hurting the team. We are sacrificing some games this year to make us better for the future.

Greg's learning curve is steep, and I wonder how much of his development was stunted with Mo Lucas out for a couple months.
 
BlazersBlood said:
I said this at the beginning of the season and it's obvious some people's expectations are just unrealistic. What sucks is that Greg needs playing time to get some experience and it's hurting the team. We are sacrificing some games this year to make us better for the future.

Greg's learning curve is steep, and I wonder how much of his development was stunted with Mo Lucas out for a couple months.
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I'm sure it didn't help, but Greg was still due to take his lumps.

I thought Kevin Harlan and Reggie Miller had some very astute observations from last night on Greg, that he tries to play guys the same way regardless of who it is, and in talking to Mo Lucas they learned that he is trying to instill in Greg that he needs to play each guy according to his individual strengths and weaknesses (like forcing Dirk to the baseline, not letting him take that fall away jumper at the top of the key, etc.) The only way he's going to learn is by matching up against these guys and playing through it.

Everyone wants to jump on Nate, Dean, Monty and Lucas' nuts about the team's issues being coaching related (and no, they aren't 100% perfect in their schemes or rotations) but so much of what we are seeing is directly related to these young guys struggling to internalize the lessons and scouting reports that the coaches give them; the team just lacks the collective experience to do all of the little things intuitively (properly rotating, how to play guys, when to jump out on shooters and when to pack it in, etc.) all of these things are correctable in one of two ways: 1) seasoning through experience, or 2) trading for experienced players. It's that fucking simple.
 
He needs a PG that can deliver the ball consistently off the pick and roll. This team isn't doing the rookie a lot of favors right now in terms of putting him in a position to be successful on the offensive end.

Oden is looking gassed right now, watch him huff and puff only after being in the game for a couple minutes. He needs work his way into better shape and get past the rookie wall he's hitting.
 
I'm not sure what exactly you expected from the guy. He's incredibly young and was able to dominate amateur competition because of his size. He played his only college season hurt, and missed his rookie season in the NBA with another injury. The wins are suffering from playing the guy, which is what is needed for him to learn the pro game. The Blazers sure are lucky to have Joel so the transition is smoother than it otherwise would be.

And the real lesson in all this just may be that a team might look great on paper, talent-wise, but may not play together that well on the actual court.
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm not sure what exactly you expected from the guy. He's incredibly young and was able to dominate amateur competition because of his size. He played his only college season hurt, and missed his rookie season in the NBA with another injury. The wins are suffering from playing the guy, which is what is needed for him to learn the pro game. The Blazers sure are lucky to have Joel so the transition is smoother than it otherwise would be.

And the real lesson in all this just may be that a team might look great on paper, talent-wise, but may not play together that well on the actual court.
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I think there is a small vocal minority that are pissed off or let down by G.O., but that's because some were expecting the second coming of Bill Russell by game 5 of his career. Instead he looks about like you'd expect a 20 year old guy coming off of MF surgery.

As for the team looking good on paper but not playing all that well, you would think from all the whining that goes on around here the blazers were 12-18 and not 18-12. The fact is they have been playing pretty well together, but they are still very much a green and unfinished product and have yet to fully gel (not all that surprising considering there are 3 rookies getting major minutes). The reality is that they could probably use a "star" level vet to help shoulder some of the load and demonstrate how to perform at a high level (Steve Blake and Przybilla are both vets, but more of the yeoman class of NBA player).
 
Nikolokolus said:
I think there is a small vocal minority that are pissed off or let down by G.O., but that's because some were expecting the second coming of Bill Russell by game 5 of his career. Instead he looks about like you'd expect a 20 year old guy coming off of MF surgery.

As for the team looking good on paper but not playing all that well, you would think from all the whining that goes on around here the blazers were 12-18 and not 18-12. The fact is they have been playing pretty well together, but they are still very much a green and unfinished product and have yet to fully gel (not all that surprising considering there are 3 rookies getting major minutes). The reality is that they could probably use a "star" level vet to help shoulder some of the load and demonstrate how to perform at a high level (Steve Blake and Przybilla are both vets, but more of the yeoman class of NBA player).
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Actually, I don't see that 4-6 in their last 10 games is particularly playing well together. They may have actually played better as a team when Oden was missing games. This is not to say the future with him would be like that at all.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I think there is a small vocal minority that are pissed off or let down by G.O., but that's because some were expecting the second coming of Bill Russell by game 5 of his career. Instead he looks about like you'd expect a 20 year old guy coming off of MF surgery.
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I wont lie. That is what I expected. Maybe I am being to hard on him.
 
Denny Crane said:
Actually, I don't see that 4-6 in their last 10 games is particularly playing well together. They may have actually played better as a team when Oden was missing games. This is not to say the future with him would be like that at all.
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Losses to Orlando, Denver, Utah, Dallas, Clippers (ugh), and Boston. Hardly anything to get worked up about (OK, maybe the Clips).
 
Let me just say this... I saw Joel shove someone with two hands out of bounds to grab a rebound last night. No foul. I saw Greg Oden breath on someone. Foul. Seems a bit weird to me. Joel is clearly the better of the two right now, but I can't tell how much that has to do with the calls.
 
Tortimer said:
We don't need KD and Oden is our guy but if we had to pick a different player it wouldn't be KD but Horford.
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lame-o

go is going for almost 8/8/2 in 22 mpg at 20 yo

alhorford is around 10/8/2 in 33 mpg at 22 yo
 
Oden is going to be fine, I promise you. Let the guy play and learn a little bit. He's a god damn rookie.

The whole Oden coming right in and dominating went out the window when he had MF surgery and missed a whole year of playing basketball. It would have been tough coming back to play in college, let alone the NBA.

Leave him alone and let him play.
 
azsun67 said:
I don't care about scoring titles, just Championships. I think KD just puts up gawdy numbers because he is on such a bad team. He is a talent, I don't doubt that, but anytime someone is on a bad team you have to take their numbers with a grain of salt.
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Durrant could put up good numbers on a good team - don't kid yourself. The same principle applies to KD as Oden in that he's only 20 - so if you're saying give GO time to develop, doesn't Durrant deserve that too? Maybe his defense isn't great at this point, but it's flat out scary the kid is 20 and he's averaging 23 ppg. He's still going to get better too.

You know what Miami's record was last year with D-Wade? 10-42. One guy can't do it all, even a finals MVP/Stud like Wade. Durrant plays with a bunch of garbage. It's not like he's jacking up a ton of shots to get his 23 ppg either on an team who's 2nd/3rd options are Jeff Green and Russell Westbrook. He's shooting a respectable 46% and gets to the line 6 times/game.

The guy is special, and the only reason not to pick him was b/c this generations Bill Russell was available. If GO is to be anything close to that, he's got about as long a haul as I've ever seen. I can't think of another player who has improved more than that. That said, you can't call him a bust if he only pans out to a better than average center in the league.
 
drexlersdad said:
lame-o

go is going for almost 8/8/2 in 22 mpg at 20 yo

alhorford is around 10/8/2 in 33 mpg at 22 yo
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I said Oden is our guy and I think the right pick. What I was trying to say if we didn't pick Oden we should have taken Horford over KD but not over Oden.

We don't need anymore jump shooting SF's that don't play defense.
 
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Durant is going to be a phenomenal player. He's showing the ability to slash and shoot at an elite level. He has the tools to be a lock-down NBA defender, even if he isn't right now. Durant could very well be another Tracy McGrady (before the injuries spoiled his career) or Kobe Bryant.

Despite thinking that, I still am glad Portland took Oden. Oden may never fulfill the expectations, but nothing so far has led me to believe that he won't. He's been considered an all-time great big man prospect since his sophomore year in high school and he's having a solid rookie season for a 20 year old rookie who's spent a year out of basketball and is still regaining his explosiveness.
 
As some of the other BBF refugees may recall, I was one of the last folks to jump off the KD bandwagon and onto the Penknife bandwagon. As a result, I don't have the emotional investment in Oden that many of you seem to have.

I was seduced by the arguments that "big guys are more valuable than perimeter players", and that "KD might win scoring titles, but GO will win championships." In hindsight, I should have stuck to my guns. The reason I prefered KD, was that he showed more fire in his belly than Penknife.

In college, GO seemed content to just be part of a winning program. KD acted like he wasn't content to just win - he wanted to drive a stake in your heart, twist it a few times, bury your body in unconsecrated ground, and deflower a cheerleader on your grave! Even on a baboon-ass-ugly team, KD is *trying*. GO often appears to just be going through the motions. His problems are less about his knee, and more about his heart and head.

The cake is not baking, the emperor has no clothes, and some of us are sick of piss flavored kool-aid.
 
Durant is a pretty good ballhandler and good mid-range jumpshooter, but he's (basically) a skinny Carmelo Anthony. He will almost certainly get better, and he's certainly better than Oden right now, but I remain very confident that Oden was the correct pick.

Ed O.
 
BatumKaboom said:
Look I found another picture of you!
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Ha ha ha. Very funny. I am neither. If I was a little, whiny, emo bitch I figure I'd have killed myself following this team by now. Or, you know, made a spontaneous and reactionary thread after a loss, displaying my constant 180 degree changes in attitude. Blazers and emos don't mix, nor do they live very long. Don't mistake big, hairsprayed hair with being emo. There's a difference.
 
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Greg and Joel have nearly identical stats, except Greg has more TO's and PF's.

Joel had the same problems a few years ago.
 
oldmangrouch said:
As some of the other BBF refugees may recall, I was one of the last folks to jump off the KD bandwagon and onto the Penknife bandwagon. As a result, I don't have the emotional investment in Oden that many of you seem to have.

I was seduced by the arguments that "big guys are more valuable than perimeter players", and that "KD might win scoring titles, but GO will win championships." In hindsight, I should have stuck to my guns. The reason I prefered KD, was that he showed more fire in his belly than Penknife.

In college, GO seemed content to just be part of a winning program. KD acted like he wasn't content to just win - he wanted to drive a stake in your heart, twist it a few times, bury your body in unconsecrated ground, and deflower a cheerleader on your grave! Even on a baboon-ass-ugly team, KD is *trying*. GO often appears to just be going through the motions. His problems are less about his knee, and more about his heart and head.

The cake is not baking, the emperor has no clothes, and some of us are sick of piss flavored kool-aid.
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lol

yet Durant's team was eliminated in the second round of the tourney, while Oden's made it to the finals.

In fact, Texas' tourney results with 'Durant The Chucker' was their second worst in the last seven years. Every other time save once they've advanced further in to the tournament.
 
HAHAHAHA, I love when knee-jerk threads are made. They are just ripe for bumpin.
GO will be FINE..he was a manchild tonight! The key to Greg's success is staying on the court! When he isn't worried about fouls, he is so much more into the game.
 
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