I can sense something happening, not the usual ST optimism

[yankeesince59]

...love the typical partial assessments of Pirela, Refsnyder, and Lindgren...both Pirela and Refsnyder's defense is a concern...and Lindgren had anything but a clean 9th inning.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

...love the typical partial assessments of Pirela, Refsnyder, and Lindgren...both Pirela and Refsnyder's defense is a concern...and Lindgren had anything but a clean 9th inning.

The self anointed Team Analyst, is sitting in his bedroom pretending to be Mel Allen or Red Barber. Snorkle, Fedora, Flippers, and a tape recorder. I think someone got lost, pretending to be his own Radio Show. Anthony Rizzo's Son......?

 

[Rick2583]

Talking about wearing blinders. Same shit every day.

 

[totus44]

Hey I'm a glass half full kind of guy. But anyone can see that Cashman and the Steins handed us a glass that leaks.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

1-......don't know how many of our posters have heard or remembered Hal and company recently laid down the law and addressed the farm system directors/instructors regarding the quality and readiness of their young prospects.

2- But keep in mind, just like any other team, the Yankees could and may use one or two prospects as trade chips to help acquire a good young established player NOT past his prime who can step right in and help the team.
The trick is to try and hold onto your better prospects in any possible trade.

1- NTM, Hal is the only Owner, in the History of MLB to "lay down the law"; yet you seem to think ONLY Hal has ever done as much; cause you can't remember any other Owner in MLB who has done as much if not more.....Doh-

first time I heard throwing a temper tantrum to the Press over the press pushing Hank over those Bosox. As if, Hank were the 1st, last and only owner to do as much. Actually his efforts fell short of numerous Owners, even GM's over the years. Guess you've never seen a Dick Williams led team in action. Dick not only bombasted his rivals, he ensured a brawl on the field became common place, regardless of where Dick was the Mgr. albeit, Oakland, San Diego, Boston, and every Team he ever coached. Hell with Williams as Mgr. not even Ray Kroc needed to say a word to the press. Diego and the Bums played typical laid back So. Cal. baseball, with manners, until Williams changed the spectrum of those 2 Teams ill fated Hate Relationships...

Leo the Lip Durocher, same way, no need really for a GM, or even Owner, both Leo and Dick brought a different style of being Skipper of any Team, to levels, the GM & Owners need only sit back and watch.

2- So sayeth, the self appointed/anointed Anal-yst....again a 1st in Yankee History, maybe even MLB. Shit I don't know let me ask the Genie Tarot Card Reader. I think this one has gone blind looking too much into the reflection of his crystal ball......

 

[totus44]

It seems to me that cashman has 3 plans running simultaneously: (A) get younger, develop farm, add youth by trade...take some chances, (B) cover his ass and hedge plan A with some old retreads, and (C) spend as little as possible until ARoid, CC, Tex and Beltran are off the books.

The problem is that this wasn't a concerted design...He led with C, tried to execute A ( but did poorly because you had to trade youth for youth), and the pulled the worst plan B in recent history. Face it, he made this shit up on the way.

Good GMs play chess, Brian is playing checkers and he's not good at that either.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Stop the same old tired crap will ya?
Give me examples where the Stein Kids are worse than most of the other ownerships in their league......unless you had a problem with them signing Beltran (or Grandy), Ellsbury and McCann.
I don't think the "farm system" ruse is going to work anymore because the Yankees DO have a good crop of farmhands (and its no secret amoung baseball people) who are not very far away from wearing pinstripes and you'll probably see one or two THIS year....maybe three if the LH reliever Lindgren stays on schedule.
And Severino (SP) if the injury bug bites a couple of SP....yikes.

Hell yes, I do have a problem signing a washed up ex-CF, who can't play His given Position, has lost .063 points off of his B'Avg., has landed on the DL time and time again. He's washed up, in case you didn't notice.

Is hiring a 37 yr old OF'r (who was anything but special), not worthy of HOF consideration, and you think he's the 2nd coming of Micky Mantle, the way you talk Homerbonics, and trash talk others, who seem to know a helluva lot more about the Yanx and MLB than you do, but you can't face the music, "you can't handle the truth".

Yes, in fact I also have a problem with signing Grandy, but then you won't give K. Long a rest, or credit for working with Grandy to pull those inside pitches for HR's. I'd never of traded Austin Jackson for Grandy to begin with.

I wager Beltran doesn't play in more than 110 games, or last til the A.S. break before he's back on the DL....! So, no I'm not going to give those brain dead Stein Kids an ounce of credit. Does this look like a Post Season Team to you, it sure as hell doesn't to me, tho' I'd love to be wrong....!

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IMO The Steins gave the Team's Spirit away, the day their dad died.....pitiful....!

"Playoffs, I just hope we can win a game"....JM SR.

 

[yankeesince59]

It seems to me that cashman has 3 plans running simultaneously: (A) get younger, develop farm, add youth by trade...take some chances, (B) cover his ass and hedge plan A with some old retreads, and (C) spend as little as possible until ARoid, CC, Tex and Beltran are off the books.

The problem is that this wasn't a concerted design...He led with C, tried to execute A ( but did poorly because you had to trade youth for youth), and the pulled the worst plan B in recent history. Face it, he made this shit up on the way.

Good GMs play chess, Brian is playing checkers and he's not good at that either.

...^^^ Author, Author !

 

[blgridesagain]

What flavor kool-aid are you drinking?

What do you mean?

 

[blgridesagain]

(Matt post)
Hell yes, I do have a problem signing a washed up ex-CF, who can'tplay His given Position, has lost .063 points off of his B'Avg., has landedon the DL time and time again. He's washed up, in case you didn'tnotice.

Is hiring a 37 yr old OF'r (who was anything but special), not worthy of HOF consideration, and you think he's the 2nd coming of Micky Mantle, the way you talk Homerbonics, and trash talk others, whoseem to know a helluva lot more about the Yanx and MLB than you do, but you can't face the music, "you can't handle the truth".

Yes, in fact I also have a problem with signing Grandy, but then you won't give K. Long a rest, or credit for working with Grandy to pullthose inside pitches for HR's. I'd never of traded Austin Jackson for Grandy to begin with.

I wager Beltran doesn't play in more than 110
games, or last til the A.S.break before he's back on the DL....! So, no I'm not going to give thosebrain dead Stein Kids an ounce of credit. Does this look like a PostSeason Team to you, it sure as hell doesn't to me, tho' I'd love to bewrong....!

____________________________________

Oh, okay....you laid out a couple of real indictments on the " Stein boys".
You have a problem with them trading Austin Jackson.....Austin Jackson who has become a career .274 hitter, averages 9 HRs and 50 RBI per season, career .738 OPS and averages 152 STRIKE-OUTS per year. lmao. You really know your stuff. lol

Let's move on to Beltran. The Yanks signed him after he had just had a season where had 554 ABs, .296 BA, .339 OBP, 491 SLG%, .830 OPS. Not bad huh?

Yes, he's 38 years old and you must really be ignorant if you thought the Yankees were expecting him ro play CF because they had already signed Ellsbury....and you must be really nuts if you thought the Yanks were NOT going to use him for a lot of DH duty to help keep him/legs fresh throughout the year. He was signed for 3 years with two more to go....he came up with elbow chips last year but you obviously must think a 38-39 yr old good proven switch hitter cannot continue to be useful and give good contributions in part time RF/DH duty- I can't can't change that.

I also noticed you conveniently failed to mention the pretty good crop of farmhand prospects who have NOT YET been traded away.

Now take off the clown suit, my side is hurting from laughing too hard.

By the way, I DO NOT claim to know more than everyone else. You don't know me, lol
I just happen to have a different opinion on a couple of Yankee hot button issues than the usual handful of others on the board.
I know darn well I could be wrong and the "majority" (all 6-7 of them lol) could be right.
So be it....that's how it goes.

Now YOU have brought up Long in your post -
Granderson once hit 30 HRs when he played in Detroit when it was like hitting in an airport. As for Long, I have pointed to the Yankees' poor team offensive output the last two seasons. I'm only mentioning it because YOU brought his name up in your above post. I put it to rest. It's done, over.

And you, you have posted plenty of your cute little insults and innuendos.

You're a funny guy..... lmao
Specializing in long winded trivial ramblings.

I hope you read my WHOLE response.

 

[yankeesince59]

I don't think you'll be seeing the Yankees trading "all" of their young prospects.....its not going to happen because contrary to what most of the board feels, Cashman/Yanks do have a plan and it IS to get younger and more "athletic" and they've been saying it for the past couple of years.....Gregorius is an example, he may or not pan out but they have made the "gamble"...
......don't know how many of our posters have heard or remembered Hal and company recently laid down the law and addressed the farm system directors/instructors regarding the quality and readiness of their young prospects.

But keep in mind, just like any other team, the Yankees could and may use one or two prospects as trade chips to help acquire a good young established player NOT past his prime who can step right in and help the team.
The trick is to try and hold onto your better prospects in any possible trade.

...just now saw this...and I'm still shaking my head in disbelief although I should have gotten used to it by now.

1. No one has said that Cashman does not have a "plan"...Oh, he has one, but it makes no sense, has no direction, and one move seems to contradict the next.

2. According to you, Cashman's plan is to "get younger and more athletic"... so you point to Gregorius as an example of Cash's plan, and you also point to the young farm hands the Yanx have in the minors...but it does not explain the signings of Drew and Headley and Ryan, and Capuano, and the acquisition of Garrett Jones. Are they part of "the plan" and the youth movement?

3. Gregorius is more than just a "gamble"....and he'd better "pan out" because the Yanx coughed up Shane Greene to get him.

4. And according to you " The trick is to try and hold onto your better prospects in any possible trade." ...geee, ya think? But you also seem to think that the Yanx can instead, simply offer up lesser prospects to another team and pick up "a good young established player who can step right in and help the team." ... My question is, if such as player exists, why in the world would another team willingly give him up and why would they do so in return for scraps from the farm.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

(Matt post)
Hell yes, I do have a problem signing a washed up ex-CF, who can'tplay His given Position, has lost .063 points off of his B'Avg., has landedon the DL time and time again. He's washed up, in case you didn'tnotice.

Is hiring a 37 yr old OF'r (who was anything but special), not worthy of HOF consideration, and you think he's the 2nd coming of Micky Mantle, the way you talk Homerbonics, and trash talk others, whoseem to know a helluva lot more about the Yanx and MLB than you do, but you can't face the music, "you can't handle the truth".

Yes, in fact I also have a problem with signing Grandy, but then you won't give K. Long a rest, or credit for working with Grandy to pullthose inside pitches for HR's. I'd never of traded Austin Jackson for Grandy to begin with.

I wager Beltran doesn't play in more than 110
games, or last til the A.S.break before he's back on the DL....! So, no I'm not going to give thosebrain dead Stein Kids an ounce of credit. Does this look like a PostSeason Team to you, it sure as hell doesn't to me, tho' I'd love to bewrong....!

____________________________________

Oh, okay....you laid out a couple of real indictments on the " Stein boys".
You have a problem with them trading Austin Jackson.....Austin Jackson who has become a career .274 hitter, averages 9 HRs and 50 RBI per season, career .738 OPS and averages 152 STRIKE-OUTS per year. lmao. You really know your stuff. lol

Let's move on to Beltran. The Yanks signed him after he had just had a season where had 554 ABs, .296 BA, .339 OBP, 491 SLG%, .830 OPS. Not bad huh?

Yes, he's 38 years old and you must really be ignorant if you thought the Yankees were were expecting him ro play CF because they had already signed Ellsbury....and you must be really nuts if you thought the Yanks were NOT going to use him for a lot of DH duty to help keep him/legs fresh throughout the year. He was signed for 3 years with two more to go....he came up with elbow chips last year but you obviously must think a 38-39 yr old good proven switch hitter cannot continue to be useful and give good contributions in part time RF/DH duty- I can't can't change that.

I also noticed you conveniently failed to mention the pretty good crop of farmhand prospects who have NOT YET been traded away.

Now take off the clown suit, my side is hurting from laughing too hard.

By the way, I DO NOT claim to know more than everyone else. You don't know me, lol
I just happen to have a different opinion on a couple of Yankee hot button iisues than the usual handful of others on the board.
I know darn well I could be wrong and the "majority" (all 6-7 of them lol) could be right.
So be it....that's how it goes.

Now YOU have brought up Long in your post -
Granderson once hit 30 HRs when he played in Detroit when it was like hitting in an airport. As for Long, I have pointed to the Yankees' poor team offensive output the last two seasons. I'm only mentioning it because YOU brought his name up in tour above post. I put it to rest. It's done, over.

And you, you have posted plenty of your cute little insults and innuendos.

You're a funny guy..... lmao
Specializing in long winded trivial ramblings.

I hope you read my WHOLE response.

BS, TMI, and you think I'm long winded, at least I have a point to make, and you stray from one pitiful issue to another.

Go back to your closet, with your CB radio, and continue to pretend your calling a game on the radio. I've never met anyone on this board site, who thought and believed their own lie, over being the Self Appointed Anal-yst....

You quit making sense months ago. Your rants, anal-ysis, reminds me of one BSPN Chicken Shitter fkr...with a severe complex.....

 

[totus44]

What do you mean?

I mean your at a site with guys/gals that are notoriously unabashed homers, just the biggest fans out there. This team wasn't built for competition....it was built to keep the cable revenue streaming and to fill just enough seats to cover the bond and not get embarrassed.

Surely you see the broader picture. Its great to hope they do well...but this clubhouse knows that the front office isn't gonna damn the torpedo's charge ahead, spend what it takes to win.

I think its great that you are passionate about this current team. But put down the orange kool-aide and see Jim Jones for who he is.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

(Matt post)
Hell yes, I do have a problem signing a washed up ex-CF, who can'tplay His given Position, has lost .063 points off of his B'Avg., has landedon the DL time and time again. He's washed up, in case you didn'tnotice.

Is hiring a 37 yr old OF'r (who was anything but special), not worthy of HOF consideration, and you think he's the 2nd coming of Micky Mantle, the way you talk Homerbonics, and trash talk others, whoseem to know a helluva lot more about the Yanx and MLB than you do, but you can't face the music, "you can't handle the truth".

Yes, in fact I also have a problem with signing Grandy, but then you won't give K. Long a rest, or credit for working with Grandy to pullthose inside pitches for HR's. I'd never of traded Austin Jackson for Grandy to begin with.

I wager Beltran doesn't play in more than 110
games, or last til the A.S.break before he's back on the DL....! So, no I'm not going to give thosebrain dead Stein Kids an ounce of credit. Does this look like a PostSeason Team to you, it sure as hell doesn't to me, tho' I'd love to bewrong....!

____________________________________

Oh, okay....you laid out a couple of real indictments on the " Stein boys".
You have a problem with them trading Austin Jackson.....Austin Jackson who has become a career .274 hitter, averages 9 HRs and 50 RBI per season, career .738 OPS and averages 152 STRIKE-OUTS per year. lmao. You really know your stuff. lol

Let's move on to Beltran. The Yanks signed him after he had just had a season where had 554 ABs, .296 BA, .339 OBP, 491 SLG%, .830 OPS. Not bad huh?

Yes, he's 38 years old and you must really be ignorant if you thought the Yankees were were expecting him ro play CF because they had already signed Ellsbury....and you must be really nuts if you thought the Yanks were NOT going to use him for a lot of DH duty to help keep him/legs fresh throughout the year. He was signed for 3 years with two more to go....he came up with elbow chips last year but you obviously must think a 38-39 yr old good proven switch hitter cannot continue to be useful and give good contributions in part time RF/DH duty- I can't can't change that.

I also noticed you conveniently failed to mention the pretty good crop of farmhand prospects who have NOT YET been traded away.

Now take off the clown suit, my side is hurting from laughing too hard.

By the way, I DO NOT claim to know more than everyone else. You don't know me, lol
I just happen to have a different opinion on a couple of Yankee hot button iisues than the usual handful of others on the board.
I know darn well I could be wrong and the "majority" (all 6-7 of them lol) could be right.
So be it....that's how it goes.

Now YOU have brought up Long in your post -
Granderson once hit 30 HRs when he played in Detroit when it was like hitting in an airport. As for Long, I have pointed to the Yankees' poor team offensive output the last two seasons. I'm only mentioning it because YOU brought his name up in tour above post. I put it to rest. It's done, over.

And you, you have posted plenty of your cute little insults and innuendos.

You're a funny guy..... lmao
Specializing in long winded trivial ramblings.

I hope you read my WHOLE response.

One Pic, worth a 1,000 words...

 

[Mattingly23NY]

I mean your at a site with guys/gals that are notoriously unabashed homers, just the biggest fans out there. This team wasn't built for competition....it was built to keep the cable revenue streaming and to fill just enough seats to cover the bond and not get embarrassed.

Surely you see the broader picture. Its great to hope they do well...but this clubhouse knows that the front office isn't gonna damn the torpedo's charge ahead, spend what it takes to win.

I think its great that you are passionate about this current team. But put down the orange kool-aide and see Jim Jones for who he is.

Well stated Sir Tote......

with Diplomacy Delivered with Dignity....

ah oh, there's that Deliverance sub-C suspicions reference. Jones in Tropical Guyana Rain Forest Jungle. VS the Arky/MO. Ozarks of insane mayhem....aka as Rick's Winter Get Away Snowbird Resort and Studio 'On the Waterfront".....

video courtesy of Rick's Vacation Video Library....He never would speak of obtaining this footage, the event, et al.

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[Rick2583]

Once again its that time........

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[yankeesince59]

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[Mattingly23NY]

Once again its that time........

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A classic clip, I loved Cool Hand Luke, still do....

So often in the 90s in Mgmt. Meetings, I'd hear a Plant Mgr. tear the ass off of a Production Mgr, with: "What we got hear is a failure to communicate"...

 

[Mattingly23NY]

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59, YOU NAILED IT.....I think we all now who the subject material is parodying as well.....

 

[blgridesagain]

...just now saw this...and I'm still shaking my head in disbelief although I should have gotten used to it by now.

1. No one has said that Cashman does not have a "plan"...Oh, he has one, but it makes no sense, has no direction, and one move seems to contradict the next.

2. According to you, Cashman's plan is to "get younger and more athletic"... so you point to Gregorius as an example of Cash's plan, and you also point to the young farm hands the Yanx have in the minors...but it does not explain the signings of Drew and Headley and Ryan, and Capuano, and the acquisition of Garrett Jones. Are they part of "the plan" and the youth movement?

3. Gregorius is more than just a "gamble"....and he'd better "pan out" because the Yanx coughed up Shane Greene to get him.

4. And according to you " The trick is to try and hold onto your better prospects in any possible trade." ...geee, ya think? But you also seem to think that the Yanx can instead, simply offer up lesser prospects to another team and pick up "a good young established player who can step right in and help the team." ... My question is, if such as player exists, why in the world would another team willingly give him up and why would they do so in return for scraps from the farm.

Couple of thoughts.

1) Yanks obviously believe Drew will bounce back with a fresh start full ST and put up at least creditable similar numbers to what he did two seasons ago he'll turn 33 this month and whether you or any of you're yes men like it or not, we're just going to wait and see how it works out. He could do well, or could eventually become the backup SS/2b. Yanks are prepared to go with one of the kids, probably Pirela is Drew doesn't work out but as of now - YOU or I have yet to be proven right OR wrong.

2) Fact - Headley is younger than Prado....just thought that might really rile you up....lmao

3) Yanks (CASHMAN) have exchanged Prado and Phelps for Eovoldi, Domingo German and Garrett Jones. Prado is a good player and I've already said so in other posts but of course you've got to give something to get something, and by the way, I'm hoping you're not reserving a plaque for him in the HOF. lol
In the process, the Yanks also dumped Phelps(28 yrs old) who not only has gone down with long term injuries the past two seasons, when he DOES pitch he has trouble getting past the 5th-6th innings and owns a career 4.31 ERA and 1.34 WHIP.....the Yanks received Domingo German (22yrs old) in return. He is now the youngest pitcher on the 40 man roster and 2nd youngest player behind Sanchez on 40 man roster.
German (low minors) has a 2.33 ERA. 1.15 WHIP.
Last year started 25 games, 123.1 IP, 2.48 ERA, 1.14 WHIP.

Yanks picked up two young pitchers in the Prado/Phelps trade,
one of them Eovoldi (24yrs old) is expected to be in the rotation and German(22yr old).
Garrett Jones is obviously a part with some LH power who they're going to use for DH and backup 1b and the Yanks have IMO good reason to expect him to benefit playing at Yankee Stadium.

4) Yanks acquired a 24 yr old LH reliever Shreve in the Banuelos trade, last season pitched 12.1 IP with 15 Ks with a 1.05 WHIP and so far in ST pitched 5 IP, 5Ks, 1BB, 1.80 ERA and a 0.60 whip.
They also have Lindgren (22 yr old LH reliever) who had 48 Ks in 24.1 IP, 2.19 ERA, 1.01 WHIP, avg 17.5 K per 9 IP in minors and so far in ST has done well....4 IP, 8 Ks, 0.00 ERA.

I know a few innings here and there doesn't make a career, but if somebody can't feel good/ "optimistic" about having a couple of young LHs like this in the bank, then all I can say is you must enjoy being a miserable naysayer.

By the way, the jury is still out on Greene, and he certainly isn't "ace" material.....let's not get crazy.
Looks to me like CASHMAN has added some good young pitching depth and the rotation is expected to include Eovoldi, Pineda, Tanaka maybe Warren (remember him? lol) and they're expecting Nova in June....and he IS on schedule.
Wow.....what a bunch of old timers. lol

Oh, I almost forgot, Arod.
It's not exactly a national secret that he's 39 yrs old who has had hip problems....but I admit, I think he has enough left to help this team as part of some DH rotation.

And I think it's only fair to those who say he won't make it out of ST......
.....are you enjoying the full course meal of crow that he has been serving up to you?

 

[yankeesince59]

...how typical, ...after predictably failing to directly address each of my points, you go off on yet another completely different tangent.

..."I award you no points".

 

[Rick2583]

Couple of thoughts.
1) Yanks obviously believe Drew will bounce back with a fresh start full ST and at put up at least creditable similar numbers to what he did two s
easons ago he'll turn 33 this month and whether you or any of you're yes men like it or not, we're just going to wait and see how it works out. He could do well, or could eventually become the backup SS/2b. Yanks are prepared to go with one of the kids, probably Pirela is Drew doesn't work out but as of now - YOU or I have yet to be proven right OR wrong.

2) Fact - Headley is younger than Prado....just thought that might really rile you up....lmao

3) Yanks (CASHMAN) have exchanged Prado and Phelps for Eovoldi, Domingo German and Garrett Jones. Prado is a good player and I've already said so in other posts but of course you've got to give something to get something, and by the way, I'm hoping you're not reserving a plaque for him in the HOF. lol
In the process, the Yanks also dumped Phelps(28 yrs old) who not only has gone down with long term injuries the past two seasons, when he DOES pitch he has trouble getting past the 5th-6th innings and owns a career 4.31 ERA and 1.34 WHIP.....the Yanks received Domingo German (22yrs old) in return. He is now the youngest pitcher on the 40 man roster and 2nd youngest player behind Sanchez on 40 man roster.
German (low minors) has a 2.33 ERA. 1.15 WHIP.
Last year started 25 games, 123.1 IP, 2.48 ERA, 1.14 WHIP.
Yanks picked up two young pitchers in the Prado/Phelps trade,
one of them Eovoldi (24yrs old) is expected to be in the rotation and German.
Garrett Jones is obviously a part with some LH power who they're going to use for DH and backup 1b and the Yanks have IMO good reason to expext him to benefit playing at Yankee Stadium.

4) Yanks acquired a 24 yr old LH reliever Shreve in the Banuelos trade, last season pitched 12.1 IP with 15 Ks with a 1.05 WHIP and so far in ST pitched 5 IP, 5Ks, 1BB, 1.80 ERA and a 0.60 whip.
They also have Lindgren (24 yr old LH reliever) who had 48 Ks in 25IP, 2.16 ERA last year in minors and so far in ST has done well....4ip, 8 Ks, 0.00 ERA.

I know a few innings here and there doesn't make a career, but if somebody can feel good/ "optimistic" about having a couple of young LHs like this in the bank, then all I can say is you must enjoy being a miserable naysayer.

By the way, the jury is still out on Greene, and he certainly isn't "ace" material.....let's not get crazy.
Looks to me like CASHMAN has added some good young pitching depth and the rotation is expected to include Eovoldi, Pineda, Tanaka maybe Warrenand they're expecting Nova in June.
Wow.....what a bunch of old timers. lol

Oh, I almost forgot, Arod.
It's not exactly a national secret that he's 39 yrs old who has had hip problems....but I admit, I think he has enough left to help this team as part of some DH rotation.

And I think it's only fair to those who say he won't make it out of ST......
.....are you enjoying the full course meal of crow that he has been serving up to you?

2-19 so far. how's that working out?

 

[blgridesagain]

Drew, 2-19 is indeed dreadful. But a I thought I tried to explain his/Yankee situation with my "#1" point in my post.
I kinda agree with the Yanks that he could be able to hold his own this season with a full fresh ST under his belt and if not, for crissakes, the Yanks IMO won't think it's the end of of the world if they have to go with Refsnyder or probably Pirela for 2b.
Do you REALLY think this 2b situation is going to make or break the Yanks' chances of having a "good" season? This Pirela kid has been showing to be a good consistent hitter from AAA right through last September and currently in ST.

And Drew is earning 5 mil this year and if he sucks, they'll have no problem releasing him later in the season and if claimed he would've cost the Yanks 2-2.5 mil.
Prado is earning 11 mil this year and next year with the Yanks picking up 3 mil....say want you want but, in any case they gain financially while ALSO possibly adding a good young player ( Pirela?) into the lineup.

Now 'cmon Rick...is/was this really such a big issue to pick out?

 

[yankeesince59]

...still waiting for an explanation of "the plan" of Cashman's that you defined as being the need to "get younger and more athletic"?...if that is truly "the plan" how do you explain the signings of Drew and Headley and Ryan, and Capuano, and the acquisition of Garrett Jones.?...Are they part of "the plan" and the youth movement?

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[blgridesagain]

Matt, please repost your reply to me in your last post....I apologize for accidentally deleting it because I inadvertently included someone else's post along with yours......I have a response to your post about me going back into a closet or something.....





Anyway, here is/was my reply.

Matt, all I can say if it weren't for those "Stein boys" trading away Austin Jackson, the Yanks would've still had Austin Jackson who knows how great the team would've been these past couple of years (chuckle).
If I'm not mistaken, trading him away WAS one of your main reasons for your contempt of the Stein boys... great analysis, especially looking at his seasonal averages, 9 HRs, 50 RBI, .274 BA, .738 OPS and don't forget those 152 Ks per season.....stellar... lol.
...very impressive, have you considered enrolling in elementary "Baseball Fan School"?

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Hey I'm a glass half full kind of guy. But anyone can see that Cashman and the Steins handed us a glass that leaks.

Ah but grasshoppa, you must first empty the cup to fill it, (as the Master continues to pour tea into the cup, till it overflows on the floor, and the student protests: "Stop stop your overflowing the tea cup"....Zen Master Rice Shitter....!

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Matt, please repost your reply to me in your last post....I apologize for accidentally deleting it because I inadvertently included someone else's post along with yours......I have a response to your post about me going back into a closet or something.....





Anyway, here is/was my reply.

Matt, all I can say if it weren't for those "Stein boys" trading away Austin Jackson, the Yanks would've still had Austin Jackson who knows how great the team would've been these past couple of years (chuckle).
If I'm not mistaken, trading him away WAS one of your main reasons for your contempt of the Stein boys... great analysis, especially looking at his seasonal averages, 9 HRs, 50 RBI, .274 BA, .738 OPS and don't forget those 152 Ks per season.....stellar... lol.
...very impressive, have you considered enrolling in elementary "Baseball Fan School"?

No no, my contempt for the Stein Boys goes way back long prior to them taking over the helm. IMO, they don't have a clue in hell what they're doing, Jackson was but one. IMO, Jackson would NOT be a lifetime .274 hitter in NY. He would and could of had several gold gloves IMO. SB's up the kazoo, but thats but a nippet of things, I hold against the Stein Kids....just 1 of many....

I'll look at this latter, I got work to do, however if you think I'm going to repost only for you to bombast me, with TMI, then your a 49 cards short of a full deck.....LOL....

 

[Rick2583]

No no, my contempt for the Stein Boys goes way back long prior to them taking over the helm. IMO, they don't have a clue in hell what they're doing, Jackson was but one. IMO, Jackson would NOT be a lifetime .274 hitter in NY. He would and could of had several gold gloves IMO. SB's up the kazoo, but thats but a nippet of things, I hold against the Stein Kids....just 1 of many....

I'll look at this latter, I got work to do, however if you think I'm going to repost only for you to bombast me, with TMI, then your a 49 cards short of a full deck.....LOL....

49 cards short of a full deck? Is that anything like being 2 cans short of a 6 pack?, having toys in the attic?, Bread isn't fully baked?, or having the porch light on but nobody's home? Just wondering.

 

[Hammerojustice]

49 cards short of a full deck? Is that anything like being 2 cans short of a 6 pack?, having toys in the attic?, Bread isn't fully baked?, or having the porch light on but nobody's home? Just wondering.

Considering a deck is 52 cards and "you're" 49 short, that would be far close to be 5 cans short of a 6-pack.... Or more aptly, 11 beers short of a 12-pack...

 

[blgridesagain]

...how typical, ...after predictably failing to directly address each of my points, you go off on yet another completely different tangent.

..."I award you no points".

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"Predictably failing to directly address each of my points" ????
You think this is brain surgery....?
You fail to "directly address" each of my points much often than you accuse me of.
I don't mind at all, I enjoy shooting the breeze about this baseball Yankee stuff.
First I'll post YOUR post in question, then I'll reply, okay?
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...just nowsaw this...and I'm still shaking my head in disbelief although I should have gotten used to it by now.

1. No one has said that Cashman does not have a "plan"...Oh, he has one, but it makes no sense, has no direction, and one move seems tocontradict the next.

2. According to you, Cashman's plan is to "get younger and moreathletic"... so you point to Gregorius as an example of Cash's plan, addand you also point to the young farm hands theYanx have in the minors...but it does not explain the signings of Drew and Headley andRyan, and Capuano, and the acquisition of Garrett Jones. Are they partof "the plan" and the youth movement?

3. Gregorius is more than just a "gamble"....and he'd better "pan out"because the Yanx coughed up Shane Greene to get him.

4. And according to you " The trick is to try and hold onto your better prospects in any possible trade." ...geee, ya think? But you also seem tothink that the Yanx can instead, simply offer up lesser prospects toanother team and pick up "a good young established player who canstep right in and help the team." ... My question is, if such as playerexists, why in the world would another team willingly give him up andwhy would they do so in return for scraps from the farm..
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My reply.
Cashman and the Yanks have indeed infused the team and franchise with more youth which I HAVE already pointed out (German, Shreve, drafting Lindgren), Pirela, who WILL be on the team, maybe even Refsnyder sooner than later.....but I guess you kinda overlook certain details which won't fit your criticism of some/most of my posts.

I liked what I saw from Greene(26yrs old) last year and wasn't thrilled when they traded him, however, I don't see him being some kind of top of the SP rotation guy...probably a good # 3 at best.....that's my opinion, and time (not you) will tell.
And guess what? Cashman has replaced Greene with a younger pitcher (Eovoldi 24 yrs old) with a higher ceiling and certainly better "stuff" and yes, he is a work in progress, has done well so far in ST and again we're just going to have wait and see.

Same for Gregorious, this "young" kid has excellent defensive tools which should help prevent baserunners and help the pitching staff. He hasn't had many MLB ABs and if you think he'll never be able to hit above .200 vs LHP and improve his numbers vs RHP than I can't blame you for not liking that trade. And of course, sorry to disappoint you again, but we're just going to have to wait and see.....if this kid can make considerable offensive improvements, he's going to dynamite - IMO.

You never know, Greene might turn into a mediocrity....stranger things have happened.
We'll see how the trade works out.

As for trying to avoid trading your best prospects, I won't mind giving one or two of the non top prospects for a player, but notice how Cashman has been avoiding being raped by other teams regarding giving up his top prospects.
Greene went for a SS who could possibly seal that position for years.

Garrett Jones, part of the Prado and Phelps (lol) trade and you should know he was included for the Yanks to give them some DH/1b depth and he DOES have a good power swing for YS. Yep, Yanks just might be looking for some rejuvenation from him in his new surroundings.......unless you were looking for Mike Trout to fill those spots...lmao.

Capuano signing was nothing more than a warm body insurance policy who can hold down the 5th or 6th spot and there's a fair chance one of younger pitchers will take that 5th spot. Maybe Warren and someone else who is "young".
And I think Ryan sucks and won't be surprised if he's released.....but is he a make or break asset for the Yanks?
C'mon, get real.
And remember, Headley is younger than Prado..lol

Right now, as we speak, your crystal ball isn't in the least more accurate than mine when it comes to the 2015 Yankee expectations and performance......trades included.
Long season, which hasn't begun yet.
But feel free to be the old sage voice of reason!