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Rick2583 said:
This idea works for me.
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I don't want to see the yoyo first to worst routine the Sox do.....but at some point they needed to let the Jeter, Bernie, jorge's play. We don't need to relive the Donny years....but taking some lumps and seeing what they have has got to happen. Would prefer they use the time they are saddled with Tex cc ARod and Beltran.

Cashman just doesn't know how to stand back and let talent develop. He's gotten beaten up over prospects for a decade...he's afraid they might wither or spoil. Yet his actions (drew) end up assuring the former.
 
Unfortunately as long as we've got Beltran in right & Teixeira at first, the kids aren't going to see much playing time. And that's this year & next.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...^^^ now THAT would be "getting younger".
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Tex isn't going anywhere unless he completely implodes and totally sucks or gets a long term injury - so that kinda explains why and how "younger more athletic" is excluded and eliminated from the 1b spot.....young Mr Bird (or some other "young" 1b) is on hold for at least this year.
I guess we can also include RF in this factor but I'm sure most of you are aware of the very good season he had with the Cards the previous year.....they chose Beltran for 3 years instead of Grandy for 4 yrs.
That's that, it's done!

That leaves TWO spots on hold where the Yanks/Cashman's "younger plan" will have to wait out. Is this a fair assessment or should they just release or bench Tex/Beltran ?

I can understand the problem some have with the signing of Drew....but, and you can say I'm defending Cashman if you want but the objective IS TO WIN and I tend to agree with their assessment that Drew can rebound and put up very decent numbers from the 2b spot.....and what's so bad If he flops again and they put Pirela there.
And I think we all agree Pirela will be on the team and possibly also Refsnyder even though some of you have already said his defense needs work.
The'll release Drew if he flops and they won't be on the hook for his full salary.

Moncada - Yanks failed to get him for 5mil(?) and I understand the disappointment ....he looks to be the real thing, and he's also not ready yet and,......does he come with a guarantee?
Now I know this is going to be ridiculed but, just maybe, possibly, the Yanks may now have their restraints and limits with certain big time contracts?

Gardner in LF, will be 32 yrs old, want to dump him and put a "kid" out there?
Ellsbury,31 yrs old, we may agree he's overpaid and the contract too long, the deal is done and I still think he's one of the better all around players in the league......shall the Yanks release him? lol
Headley seems to be another problem with the"board",
30yrs old, will turn 31 in May.
Is he NOT a good glove and is he a bad hitter?
Never mind what the majority of THIS BOARD says, maybe we should poll MLB GMs?
He'll be 35 towards the end of his contract, since when is being 35 yrs old a death sentence for 3b? Their first round pick 3b Jagielo (22yrs old) from a couple yrs ago has done pretty good at AA last year....he could be ready for pinstripes in 2-3 years and now is when you have to think out of the box and like a GM.....if or when Jagielo is ready by 2017-18, guess who then can be moved into a DH/backup 1b role?...
....you got it, Chase Headley.

"You" say I can't see or admit Cashman has no "plan" to get younger and more "athletic" but I'm saying he Has infused more youth (Gregorius, Murphy, Pirela, bullpen, SP depth in minors, SP staff)...despite working around a couple of big veteran contracts.

And how many of you had a big problem when the Yanks signed McCann and at the time when they signed Tex?
And let's not quite write off Tex....if he bounces back and Drew regains most of his form from before last year's washout..this team will surprise "the majority" of the board.

Yes, of course the team has to stay relatively healthy.
 
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Either way its sliced, the Yanx need to beef up their Prospects. A big $$$ player is a nice touch to a Team already compiled of once good Prospects, developed in the Farm Systems. Yet, when a big $$$ player loses his touch, no one wants to obtain that salary; let alone the absence of quality performances.

The Yanx overall, the Bronx Club to the rookie A Ball, is in dire need of rebuilding IMO.....

This Team can't continue to give up any more prospects, unless its a sure shot, such a trade, would be a upgrade for the Yanx, but we've all known this for years.
 
Comparing the Yanx moves, or lack thereof vs The Bums Prospects; L.A.'s Prospect pool is deeper and broader than any of the 45 years I've lived here in So. Cal.

Or as Donnie said, "We're just now seeing the pool of talent, in Prospects from those trades"....me 3, and I'm quit amazed by the Youth Movement I'm seeing. To reiterate tho', paying Millions for anyone to not play or work, is the complete opposite ,of my own beliefs, ie, "Pay for Performance".....shove it down the MLBPA Union regardless, it works.......Enough Fortune 500 companies will testify to that....(I know you can't compare say Coca-Cola to the Yanx), but when it comes to maximizing profit and potential, Pay for Play is the way to go, and hopefully the Blueprint of the Future.....

It's high time the Commish, and Owners grow some balls, and shove it down the Unions throat. In but a year, more like 2 or 3, the Union will thank the Idea itself.....it works, proven, in any field of work, even sports....!
 
This is what I'm seeing in L.A. with the Bums. They offed both Brian Wilson and Dan Haren; paying both their 2015 Player Option $$$ of approx 10 Mil, to sit at home, and Not show up at all to Chavez Ravine. Last I looked Wilson is as good as done for, and Haren IMO is too.

Here's a real killer, and one of several reasons I said Guggenheim is not good for MLB, and along with his TWB-C contract is ruining or will ruin MLB, or form a Monopoly of some sort, cuz who in Gods sweet name has 50 mil to spend on players not on the Roster?

Kemp is receiving 18.5 Mil of his 2015 Contract of 22.5 Mil from the Bums, and will get 3.5 Mil from the Bums thru 2019. Any one knows this is NOT good business sense at all. Yet, if you can afford to take a bath in 1K bills every night, flush it all down nightly with the bath water, then by all means do so,. Yet this practice IMO, is bad for MLB in general, and a dangerous trend....but boyo shithose, did the bums make out this year, in trades for some damn fine Prospects, Grandall being one right off the bat, in trade for Kemp. NTM- they haven't named their #5 SP, but NOW have several contenders for that job, and those who don't get the #5 Job, will only re-enforce the weakest link of all, their Bull Pen...
 
Mattingly23NY said:
Comparing the Yanx moves, or lack thereof vs The Bums Prospects; L.A.'s Prospect pool is deeper and broader than any of the 45 years I've lived here in So. Cal.

Or as Donnie said, "We're just now seeing the pool of talent, in Prospects from those trades"....me 3, and I'm quit amazed by the Youth Movement I'm seeing. To reiterate tho', paying Millions for anyone to not play or work, is the complete opposite ,of my own beliefs, ie, "Pay for Performance".....shove it down the MLBPA Union regardless, it works.......Enough Fortune 500 companies will testify to that....(I know you can't compare say Coca-Cola to the Yanx), but when it comes to maximizing profit and potential, Pay for Play is the way to go, and hopefully the Blueprint of the Future.....

It's high time the Commish, and Owners grow some balls, and shove it down the Unions throat. In but a year, more like 2 or 3, the Union will thank the Idea itself.....it works, proven, in any field of work, even sports....!
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Matt - if Kershaw doesn't have another Cy Young type year, or close to it, the Bronx Bombers will win more games than your Dodgers.

How about that? Like it?
 
Rick2583 said:
Unfortunately as long as we've got Beltran in right & Teixeira at first, the kids aren't going to see much playing time. And that's this year & next.
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Unless they have the balls to outright waive a guy and eat his contract. I'd write off one in 2015 (ARod) and one in 2016 (Tex). Both will retire if that happens....good riddance.
 
totus44 said:
Unless they have the balls to outright waive a guy and eat his contract. I'd write off one in 2015 (ARod) and one in 2016 (Tex). Both will retire if that happens....good riddance.
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Don't tease us Tom.
 
blgridesagain said:
I gave examples of the Yanks getting younger.....in English.
Headley is

...lol...Headley will be THIRTY FIVE when his contract ends...that's not "getting younger".



Lol, why do YOU keep doing this?
I gave examples of the Yankees getting younger. (post 72)
You have a problem with Capuano, fine.....and I've already said they obviously chose him to be a warm body insurance policy holding down the 5th-6th spot until they sort things out with Warren, Whitley and Nova eventually returning which he IS ON schedule for. Maybe Cashman should've gone with young pitcher for the 5th spot...okay, I wouldn't mind....but I don't think Capuano is "proof" that they are not and have not infused a couple/few younger players.
Drew just turned 33, not the end of the world....and AS I'VE ALREADY SAID in the other post, if he stinks up the place you'll be seeing Pirela (maybe Refsnyder) at 2b very shortly.

...Greene is "younger" than Capuano...adding OLDER arms instead is not getting "younger". Drew is "older" and is not a 2Bman...why put an aging player out of position when there are "younger" options?

Garrett Jones - sorry, I see no indictment of Cashman because he's acquired a 33 yr old in a multiplayer trade which he will be used as a part time DH backup 1b.
Shall we look at the ages of all regular/platoon DHs? I don't think you want to go there.

...Bird is "younger" than Jones, who is mediocre aging journeyman...giving Jones that platoon roster spot is not "getting younger".

Beltran a bad signing? Didn't look so stupid after the year he had before signing with the Yanks. And he could still be one of the more important Yankee hitters/players as a good switch hitter. He can be huge if he stays healthy....ideal for some DH and some RF.

...Beltran? ...uhhh, yes, it was a bad signing and it did look stupid when they signed him because there was absolutely no reason to give him 3 years. And you don't give 3 year deals to players who are 37 years old.


Now for the moment of truth....do you expect the current Yankee situation NOT to have ANY players over 30 years old?

...moment of truth?....lol, again, why do you keep mutilating yourself like this? I'm gonna save time and go ahead and win this argument and be done with it.
...With the departure of Jeter, Kuroda, and Ichiro, the Yanx were still committed to Beltran, Gardner, Tex, Ellsbury, Arod, McCann, and Sabathia, who are all over 30, so they already had several players "over 30". But if Cashman's "plan" was to change that by "getting younger", why add Drew and Headley and Ryan, and Capuano, and Garrett Jones" when there were clearly "younger" options available?

I'm beginning to wonder about you.....are you okay?
You seem to have trouble grasping some certain basics.

...I'm fine, thanx for asking...and I'm not the one who's "having trouble grasping certain basics".
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[QUOTE="blgridesagain, post: 3580769, member: 27916"]Tex isn't going anywhere unless he completely implodes and totally sucks or gets a long term injury - so that kinda explains why and how "younger more athletic" is excluded and eliminated from the 1b spot.....young Mr Bird (or some other "young" 1b) is on hold for at least this year.
I guess we can also include RF in this factor but I'm sure most of you are aware of the very good season he had with the Cards the previous year.....they chose Beltran for 3 years instead of Grandy for 4 yrs.
That's that, it's done!

That leaves TWO spots on hold where the Yanks/Cashman's "younger plan" will have to wait out. Is this a fair assessment or should they just release or bench Tex/Beltran ?

I can understand the problem some have with the signing of Drew....but, and you can say I'm defending Cashman if you want but the objective IS TO WIN and I tend to agree with their assessment that Drew can rebound and put up very decent numbers from the 2b spot.....and what's so bad If he flops again and they put Pirela there.
And I think we all agree Pirela will be on the team and possibly also Refsnyder even though some of you have already said his defense needs work.
The'll release Drew if he flops and they won't be on the hook for his full salary.

Moncada - Yanks failed to get him for 5mil(?) and I understand the disappointment ....he looks to be the real thing, and he's also not ready yet and,......does he come with a guarantee?
Now I know this is going to be ridiculed but, just maybe, possibly, the Yanks may now have their restraints and limits with certain big time contracts?

Gardner in LF, will be 32 yrs old, want to dump him and put a "kid" out there?
Ellsbury,31 yrs old, we may agree he's overpaid and the contract too long, the deal is done and I still think he's one of the better all around players in the league......shall the Yanks release him? lol
Headley seems to be another problem with the"board",
30yrs old, will turn 31 in May.
Is he NOT a good glove and is he a bad hitter?
Never mind what the majority of THIS BOARD says, maybe we should poll MLB GMs?
He'll be 35 towards the end of his contract, since when is being 35 yrs old a death sentence for 3b? Their first round pick 3b Jagielo (22yrs old) from a couple yrs ago has done pretty good at AA last year....he could be ready for pinstripes in 2-3 years and now is when you have to think out of the box and like a GM.....if or when Jagielo is ready by 2017-18, guess who then can be moved into a DH/backup 1b role?...
....you got it, Chase Headley.

"You" say I can't see or admit Cashman has no "plan" to get younger and more "athletic" but I'm saying he Has infused more youth (Gregorius, Murphy, Pirela, bullpen, SP depth in minors, SP staff)...despite working around a couple of big veteran contracts.

And how many of you had a big problem when the Yanks signed McCann and at the time when they signed Tex?
And let's not quite write off Tex....if he bounces back and Drew regains most of his form from before last year's washout..this team will surprise "the majority" of the board.

Yes, of course the team has to stay relatively healthy.[/QUOTE]


Wonderful insight, look above (post #92) I just said this.
 
Wonderful insight, look above (post #92) I just said this.[/QUOTE]

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I hear ya but, you didn't quite say ALL of what I mentioned.
 
blgridesagain said:
Wonderful insight, look above (post #92) I just said this.
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I hear ya but, you didn't quite say ALL of what I mentioned.[/QUOTE]


I saw no reason for that since you've already mentioned it 50 other times in over 1/2 dozen other threads.
 
Rick2583 said:
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I hear ya but, you didn't quite say ALL of what I mentioned.
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I saw no reason for that since you've already mentioned it 50 other times in over 1/2 dozen other threads.
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Gimme a break Rick, I can't help it if I may need "50 other times" to respond to "50" other replies and comments from the usual suspects.
Anyway, I believe my post (# 101) explained, covered, and set things in proper order.

Okay, I'm done with this one (unless someone gets silly),
.....anyway, just a reminder that the season WILL play itself out and "we'll" see how "things" work out.
 
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...lol...that's total BS...you've been hijacking threads and taking them off topic with the same subject for over a month now all by yourself.
 
Mattingly23NY said:
Didn't you mean to say "The voice of Re-Dundancy Has Spoken?"......

such would be more honest an answer.......!!!

But...........never mind...........!!!
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lol, I was referring to THE voice of reason....(what's up with you?)...
.....you know, the old sage voice of reason who thinks his opinions, assessments, summations can't be challenged and thinks he always "wins" debates/discussions because he specializes in picking out one or two points from a post and ignores the greater number of more accurate, closer to the truth points from a given post.


As for the "majority" opinion, one thing is currently true -
Arod has yet to crumble or fall off the cliff yet.
 
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blgridesagain said:
lol, I was referring to THE voice of reason....(what's up with you?)...
.....you know, the old sage voice of reason who thinks his opinions, assessments, summations can't be challenged and thinks he always "wins" debates/discussions because he specializes in picking out one or two points from a post and ignores the greater number of more accurate, closer to the truth points from a given post.


As for the majority opinion, one thing is currently true -
Arod has yet to crumble or fall off the cliff yet.
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You are just determined to keep this going aren't you?
 
blgridesagain said:
lol, I was referring to THE voice of reason....(what's up with you?)...
.....you know, the old sage voice of reason who thinks his opinions, assessments, summations can't be challenged and thinks he always "wins" debates/discussions because he specializes in picking out one or two points from a post and ignores the greater number of more accurate, closer to the truth points from a given post.


As for the "majority" opinion, one thing is currently true -
Arod has yet to crumble or fall off the cliff yet.
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aye, Your far from being Ayn Rand, and- yer still not making sense, the voice of reason is in sign language these days, and I don't suppose you sign either?

Here's a definition: The voice of reason- The annoying know-it-all person on a show that won't shut up about being right. Usally the smartest person of the show, that is always right and is the balance so the show won't look senseless...

Definition Courtesy OF: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Voice+of+Reason


on A-Roid, just give him time, and he will fall off the radar.....give him a game or two at 3rd base, and we would see his resignation papers, except alex knows the Yanx will use him as a DH, so no resignation papers yet.......!!!
 
Messiah717 said:
Shhhhhhhhhhhh let's play ball.
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Thanks Vic, lets do play ball, .........:tiphat:


Much more exciting, and I'm getting to old for this bullshit tirade of arguing on a daily basis over words, than can openly be discussed, without hindrance or flaming...........:evilfire:

Life is just toooo short, for daily bantering........Kudos...... :tiphat:
 
So far so good with Tanaka. Just hope it lasts.
 
blgridesagain said:
I know its very early in ST, trust me, I've followed a few through the years lol, but I sense something good taking place right before our eyes regarding the Yankees' new crop of young farmhands.
I've noticed that Refsnyder has been getting his hits playing 2b and he has yet to demonstrate to be a liability defensively.
No reason to think of him being a fluke after he's already proven to hit well through the farm system. Pirela has also continued to get his share of hits from his short stint last season right up to current ST.....not sure where or what his position is. lol
Greg Bird is a legitimate power bat/1b and this Jake Cave (O.F.), IMO, is a keeper.
I also think JR Murphy has a real chance to be a good young catcher.

But here, by all accounts, is the "star" of the new crop, Aaron Judge.
He's already made a statement that he's going to do all he can to make it hard for the Yanks to send him back to the minors after ST, and I like that, a lot!

Here's a nice article on him:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...udge-huge-future-pinstripes-article-1.2140828


If, when, possibly, the Yanks can soon work in one or two young pitchers for the SP, I see a Yankee resurgence.....very soon.
Mitchell (SP) has possibilities.
He too has said he plans on "staying" with the team after ST....lol, I love it.
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So....Judge and Cave in the first cuts of ST. I'm quoting post #1 to demonstrate the example as to why not to get prematurely excited.


OK...debate on....you're on the 51st time now.....
 
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