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42N8Bounce said:
I just sent this to my season ticket holder rep:

Hi (season ticket holder rep),
My family and I have been season ticket holders for a long time (1974). I've enjoyed the ups and downs.

I must say, after watching the performance of the team so far this year, I don't think I've ever been so down on the Blazers.

I understand the rebuilding process. I expected losses this year. I truly don't care about the W and Ls. But the way the Blazers have been playing is hard to watch. Just in the last 7 games, 6 of the games the Blazers lost by more than 20! Including the embarrassing 62-point loss to OKC. But if that wasn't a wake-up call, the Blazers followed that with a 23-point uninspired loss to Minnesota down at one point by 36 points.

I know the Blazers have had some injuries. All teams deal with injuries. I know the Blazers are young. There are multiple teams just as young as the Blazers doing significantly better. The excuses are easy to rattle off. Where is the accountability? The players look uninspired. These are young players that should be showing signs of growth. They appear to be regressing.

The ticket value I paid at the start of the season has plummeted. The only way to get rid of the tickets I can't use is to give them away (not sell them). And in many cases, it's hard to find someone who wants the tickets even for free.

I guess the harshest thing I could say at the moment is - I'm losing interest and just don't care.
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Thank you! I couldn't have said it better!
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
I hate to admit it, but right now, I just don't care.

I have nobody on the team that makes me care.

Trade 'em. Trade 'em all. Don't care.

  • Ant - been wanting to trade him for years
  • Grant - Just trade him, please - that was Meyers Leonard style bad signing
  • Sharpe - Not sure if he is not being used correctly but not really seeing the growth I'd hoped. Rare flash yes but real progress? Nope.
  • Scoot - Lots of hype and seeing some improvement but still pretty meh on the guy. Nothing I've seen says "I'm a 3rd pick!" - more like "I'm a 23rd pick who is doing sufficient but at least you didn't waste a 3rd pick on me". Hate to say it but starting to think Telfair 2.0? Lots of hype but rarely showing the goods?
Yes, I know, both Sharpe & Scoot are young, quite young and have time to improve.

Thing is, in general with star players, you see it occasionally even when they are young and the consistency improves.

Don't get me started on Billups. Perhaps under a different coach I'd care but when I see (or don't see as the case may be) anything resembling an offensive scheme, holding players accountable for playing so-called Billups ball, I just want him gone.

I'm not saying we'd be a good team with a different coach, we'd very likely still suck but perhaps we'd see some progress in the players and be a team that is a bit more enjoyable to watch.

I have vibes of the the good 'ol days with great players like Sergei Monia, Sebastian Telfair, Ha Seung-Jin, Jarrett Jack and Juan Dixon.

I just don't care.
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Grandpa- you want everything too soon. KG had trouble getting a shot off in his rookie year. Dirk shot 28% from 3. Giannis averaged 6 ppg. Kobe shot multiple air balls in playoffs. This is what A talents with upside look like in their rookie years. We have already seen a 22/7/11 game from Scoot and he was a nominee for western conference player of the week for chrissakes! In a few years, he’ll average those numbers. Just a few games ago, he had 17/10 with 1 turnover and 0 fouls. And then there’s Sharpe who has shown the ability to score on any defense easily while sealing a win 2FTs and a block at the buzzer. Nothing that is happening this year should be surprising or disappointing. They are inconsistent and we are losing. Look at OKC 2 seasons ago: 24-58. This shit takes time. But we’re doing it right.
 
KingSpeed said:
Grandpa- you want everything too soon. KG had trouble getting a shot off in his rookie year. Dirk shot 28% from 3. Giannis averaged 6 ppg. Kobe shot multiple air balls in playoffs. This is what A talents with upside look like in their rookie years. We have already seen a 22/7/11 game from Scoot and he was a nominee for western conference player of the week for chrissakes! In a few years, he’ll average those numbers. Just a few games ago, he had 17/10 with 1 turnover and 0 fouls. And then there’s Sharpe who has shown the ability to score on any defense easily while sealing a win 2FTs and a block at the buzzer. Nothing that is happening this year should be surprising or disappointing. They are inconsistent and we are losing. Look at OKC 2 seasons ago: 24-58. This shit takes time. But we’re doing it right.
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You continue to bring up outliers. For every 3 hall-of-famers who got off to slow starts, there are 100 guys out of the league that got off to slow starts to their career. And just because I can point to 100 rookies who got off to slow starts and never made it to their second contract, doesn't mean that'll happen in this case either.

I'm not giving up on Scoot/Sharpe, but there are so many obvious differences between those two and Dirk, Giannis, and KG, I'm not sure what value the comparison provides. Unless it's just blind hope.
 
KingSpeed said:
Grandpa- you want everything too soon. KG had trouble getting a shot off in his rookie year. Dirk shot 28% from 3. Giannis averaged 6 ppg. Kobe shot multiple air balls in playoffs. This is what A talents with upside look like in their rookie years. We have already seen a 22/7/11 game from Scoot and he was a nominee for western conference player of the week for chrissakes! In a few years, he’ll average those numbers. Just a few games ago, he had 17/10 with 1 turnover and 0 fouls. And then there’s Sharpe who has shown the ability to score on any defense easily while sealing a win 2FTs and a block at the buzzer. Nothing that is happening this year should be surprising or disappointing. They are inconsistent and we are losing. Look at OKC 2 seasons ago: 24-58. This shit takes time. But we’re doing it right.
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How many games did they lose by 60? or did they loose by a combined 192 points during a 1-6 stretch. I would be willing to bet not. Losing is one thing, being embarrassed night in and night out is not what happens to most rebuilding teams.
 
42N8Bounce said:
I just sent this to my season ticket holder rep:

Hi (season ticket holder rep),
My family and I have been season ticket holders for a long time (1974). I've enjoyed the ups and downs.

I must say, after watching the performance of the team so far this year, I don't think I've ever been so down on the Blazers.

I understand the rebuilding process. I expected losses this year. I truly don't care about the W and Ls. But the way the Blazers have been playing is hard to watch. Just in the last 7 games, 6 of the games the Blazers lost by more than 20! Including the embarrassing 62-point loss to OKC. But if that wasn't a wake-up call, the Blazers followed that with a 23-point uninspired loss to Minnesota down at one point by 36 points.

I know the Blazers have had some injuries. All teams deal with injuries. I know the Blazers are young. There are multiple teams just as young as the Blazers doing significantly better. The excuses are easy to rattle off. Where is the accountability? The players look uninspired. These are young players that should be showing signs of growth. They appear to be regressing.

The ticket value I paid at the start of the season has plummeted. The only way to get rid of the tickets I can't use is to give them away (not sell them). And in many cases, it's hard to find someone who wants the tickets even for free.

I guess the harshest thing I could say at the moment is - I'm losing interest and just don't care.
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Dude. We are playing SIX rookies. We have major injuries. We are playing the two best teams in the West back to back on the road. We got clobbered. Celtics got clobbered by Bucks last night. It happens. We are a bad team. Let me tell you about another bad team: OKC 2 years ago when they lost to the Grizzlies by 79 points!!!! No joke! This will turn around. We have two A level talents in Scoot and Sharpe with two lotto picks joining the team this summer. Probably one more year of losing, then consistency, then winning. You want 2013 Giannis to be 2019 Giannis. Be patient. Do you think KD and Westbrook came out of the gate beating everybody? Look it up. They didn’t.
 
KingSpeed said:
Dude. We are playing SIX rookies. We have major injuries. We are playing the two best teams in the West back to back on the road. We got clobbered. Celtics got clobbered by Bucks last night. It happens. We are a bad team. Let me tell you about another bad team: OKC 2 years ago when they lost to the Grizzlies by 79 points!!!! No joke! This will turn around. We have two A level talents in Scoot and Sharpe with two lotto picks joining the team this summer. Probably one more year of losing, then consistency, then winning. You want 2013 Giannis to be 2019 Giannis. Be patient. Do you think KD and Westbrook came out of the gate beating everybody? Look it up. They didn’t.
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I always enjoy your optimism, Eric.
(You may have a future as a Season Ticket Holder rep)
 
Tince said:
You continue to bring up outliers. For every 3 hall-of-famers who got off to slow starts, there are 100 guys out of the league that got off to slow starts to their career. And just because I can point to 100 rookies who got off to slow starts and never made it to their second contract, doesn't mean that'll happen in this case either.

I'm not giving up on Scoot/Sharpe, but there are so many obvious differences between those two and Dirk, Giannis, and KG, I'm not sure what value the comparison provides. Unless it's just blind hope.
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There aren’t “a 100 guys out of the league” with Scoot and Shaedon’s talent. And they have both shown their HOF potential on the court. They just don’t do it every night. Plus they have each missed games with 2 different injuries. The reason I compare Scoot to Kobe, Dirk, KG is because that is the level of talent Scoot is. That is why he was the #3 pick, a #1 pick in most years.

Kobe, Dirk, KG, Giannis aren’t outliers. There are MANY star players with slow starts. Almost all of them short of Jordan, DRob, and Alcindor, the GOAT rookies. Even LeBron struggled his rookie year and missed the playoffs his first two seasons.

Sharpe & Scoot have also had the issue of dealing with an unclear role on the team. When Simons and Brogdon were both out, Scoot played his best basketball. We have to trade Simons and Brogdon. Start Scoot and Sharpe and tell them this is THEIR TEAM, FIGURE IT OUT. Once we do that, then we’ll see meaningful growth that fans can see. Scoot has all the skills to put up a 30-10-10 game and Sharpe does too. Give them a chance. The starters should be Scoot/Sharpe/Camara/Walker/Ayton. Period. Trade the vets for talented young backups and picks. Hire an experienced NBA coach.
 
twobullz said:
How many games did they lose by 60? or did they loose by a combined 192 points during a 1-6 stretch. I would be willing to bet not. Losing is one thing, being embarrassed night in and night out is not what happens to most rebuilding teams.
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You mean how many did their TEAM lose by 60? I’m sure their teams had awful losses. We are playing SIX rookies. We are easy to beat. OKC lost to the Grizzlies by 79 a couple seasons ago. Now they are the second best team in the West.

We just played SIX rookies in back to back games against the best two teams in the West at the end of a long road trip. What the FUCK were you expecting?
 
Even the #1 team in the NBA was trailing by 40 two nights ago. And their whole team was healthy and available! We played SIX rookies.
 
twobullz said:
How many games did they lose by 60? or did they loose by a combined 192 points during a 1-6 stretch. I would be willing to bet not. Losing is one thing, being embarrassed night in and night out is not what happens to most rebuilding teams.
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Yes it is lol.
 
KingSpeed said:
The reason I compare Scoot to Kobe, Dirk, KG is because that is the level of talent Scoot is. That is why he was the #3 pick, a #1 pick in most years.

Kobe, Dirk, KG, Giannis aren’t outliers. There are MANY star players with slow starts. Almost all of them short of Jordan, DRob, and Alcindor, the GOAT rookies. Even LeBron struggled his rookie year and missed the playoffs his first two seasons.
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LeBron stuggled his rookie year? He averaged 21-6-6 and won Rookie of the Year.

Comparing Scoot to Kobe, Dirk, and KG isn't fair to Scoot.
 
Tince said:
I kind of agree... I think the organization is fully aware of how bad the product is and that few people are loving this season. I guess my question is, what can be done to correct it? Getting younger (trading Brogdon, Grant, Thybulle) won't make the product on the floor better. So do we want them trading Sharpe and Scoot so we can compete in more games right away? I don't think that would go over well either.

I suspect if Cronin could make one or two trades that would make us really good, he would do it. I just don't see the path the accelerate this.
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Getting a developmental and X's and O's coaching staff would go a LONG way toward improving the product on the floor.

What we have now isn't close.
 
Tince said:
LeBron stuggled his rookie year? He averaged 21-6-6 and won Rookie of the Year.

Comparing Scoot to Kobe, Dirk, and KG isn't fair to Scoot.
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He became a much better player than that.
 
KingSpeed said:
He became a much better player than that.
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Nobody said LeBron didn't improve after his rookie year. Nobody is saying Scoot isn't likely to improve.

That's about where the Scoot/LeBron (or Kobe, Dirk, KG, Giannis) comparisons should stop.
 
PCmor7 said:
This team should be bad.

This team shouldn't be THIS bad.

Losing Timelord and Ayton certainly has played a big part. Things really started to go downhill when Ayton's injury became a perpetual DNP.

But, yeah, I now am on the bandwagon that Chauncey's making it a lot worse. There's no real offense and he keeps trotting out this 2-3 zone that looks worse than any other 2-3 zone I've seen played in years.
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Lmao, Billups ain’t making it worse when we’re on a long road stretch and playing the top two teams record wise in the NBA.

some of you guys asked for a rebuild and here it is, bottom line is we aren’t good regardless if we had a hall of famer coach in Pop or Monty..oh wait those teams sucks worse than us.

you guys are just looking for a scapegoat and it’s quite sad. everyone that asked for a rebuild, you’re getting what you asked for.
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
I hate to admit it, but right now, I just don't care.

I have nobody on the team that makes me care.

Trade 'em. Trade 'em all. Don't care.

  • Ant - been wanting to trade him for years
  • Grant - Just trade him, please - that was Meyers Leonard style bad signing
  • Sharpe - Not sure if he is not being used correctly but not really seeing the growth I'd hoped. Rare flash yes but real progress? Nope.
  • Scoot - Lots of hype and seeing some improvement but still pretty meh on the guy. Nothing I've seen says "I'm a 3rd pick!" - more like "I'm a 23rd pick who is doing sufficient but at least you didn't waste a 3rd pick on me". Hate to say it but starting to think Telfair 2.0? Lots of hype but rarely showing the goods?
Yes, I know, both Sharpe & Scoot are young, quite young and have time to improve.

Thing is, in general with star players, you see it occasionally even when they are young and the consistency improves.

Don't get me started on Billups. Perhaps under a different coach I'd care but when I see (or don't see as the case may be) anything resembling an offensive scheme, holding players accountable for playing so-called Billups ball, I just want him gone.

I'm not saying we'd be a good team with a different coach, we'd very likely still suck but perhaps we'd see some progress in the players and be a team that is a bit more enjoyable to watch.

I have vibes of the the good 'ol days with great players like Sergei Monia, Sebastian Telfair, Ha Seung-Jin, Jarrett Jack and Juan Dixon.

I just don't care.
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I don’t care that you don’t care.

cry more fans that asked for a rebuild.
 
42N8Bounce said:
I just sent this to my season ticket holder rep:

Hi (season ticket holder rep),
My family and I have been season ticket holders for a long time (1974). I've enjoyed the ups and downs.

I must say, after watching the performance of the team so far this year, I don't think I've ever been so down on the Blazers.

I understand the rebuilding process. I expected losses this year. I truly don't care about the Ws and Ls. But the way the Blazers have been playing is hard to watch. Just in the last 7 games, 6 of the games the Blazers lost by more than 20! Including the embarrassing 62-point loss to OKC. But if that wasn't a wake-up call, the Blazers followed that with a 23-point uninspired loss to Minnesota down at one point by 36 points.

I know the Blazers have had some injuries. All teams deal with injuries. I know the Blazers are young. There are multiple teams just as young as the Blazers doing significantly better. The excuses are easy to rattle off. Where is the accountability? The players look uninspired. These are young players that should be showing signs of growth. They appear to be regressing.

The ticket value I paid at the start of the season has plummeted. The only way to get rid of the tickets I can't use is to give them away (not sell them). And in many cases, it's hard to find someone who wants the tickets even for free.

I guess the harshest thing I could say at the moment is - I'm losing interest and just don't care.
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This is a joke right?

man you blazer fans are cringe, cancel your season tickets then and just buy back when we are good.

good thing about a rebuild is it shows who the real hardcore fans are.
 
42N8Bounce said:
Excellent. I think I found a buyer for the games I can't go to with my son.
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You didn’t feel this same way in 2004/2005 when we had Steve Blake and Juan Dixon as our starting backcourt? lol.

Anyone answer me this question:

Why is Pop Spurs team, and team with a hall a fame coach and generationally talent in Wemby have a worse record than us?

Or Monty with Detroit having a worse record that us?

you know what us and the Spurs and Detroit have in common? a young super green team that equals to many losses and some bad ones along the way.

Rebuilds are never fun and it could be a long road for a while.
 
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Cugel said:
For a reference point, look at what Will Hardy and the Jazz have been up to. There is simply no reason why POR can be doing half of what the Jazz are doing since the tourney.
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For reference,

Pop is a hall of game coach with a generational talent, and a worse record than us.

Monty is a good coach but that Detroit team is worse than us.

Steve Kerr is a good coach and they still have Steph and others although they are getting older, they are underachieving and not playing good either.

I can play that game too, to simply point out the Jazz is silly
 
sheed30 said:
For reference,

Pop is a hall of game coach with a generational talent, and a worse record than us.

Monty is a good coach but that Detroit team is worse than us.

Steve Kerr is a good coach and they still have Steph and others although they are getting older, they are underachieving and not playing good either.

I can play that game too, to simply point out the Jazz is silly
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When was the last time the Spurs lost by 50 or 60?
 
The Jazz rebuild is easier to watch. However, I would not want to be stuck in mediocrity like they seem to. Getting an MVP worthy player is unlikely thru trade or lower lottery picks.

After the trade deadline, this roster may make more sense. I do not care if we lose.
 
For me it is not that we are losing. Expected that.

For me, it is the lack of progress in players and really what appears to be a sense of "team". In essence, I see a bunch of guys playing pickup ball. No real coordination, etc.

I don't care that we are bad, I've seen bad before and had some hope for the future. Right now, we are bad and I see minimal reason to hope for better in the future.

Yes, we've had injuries. Yes, we're young. I understand that.

The players seem to have no pride or really care about getting blown out consistently. If they don't care, why should I and why should I expect things the change?

Been watching/following the Blazers since they were created. There have been some bad teams but don't know that I can recall such consistent abysmal failure to compete or show heart.
 
Definitely agree with just about everything you are saying and it is tougher to watch. Different generation but do not think it is a lack of caring. Think the mindset is more AAU where they are doing the work but are not throwing tantrums when losing. Billups is also mild mannered.

As said, I am curious what the team looks and plays like after trades.
 
42N8Bounce said:
I just sent this to my season ticket holder rep:

Hi (season ticket holder rep),
My family and I have been season ticket holders for a long time (1974). I've enjoyed the ups and downs.

I must say, after watching the performance of the team so far this year, I don't think I've ever been so down on the Blazers.

I understand the rebuilding process. I expected losses this year. I truly don't care about the Ws and Ls. But the way the Blazers have been playing is hard to watch. Just in the last 7 games, 6 of the games the Blazers lost by more than 20! Including the embarrassing 62-point loss to OKC. But if that wasn't a wake-up call, the Blazers followed that with a 23-point uninspired loss to Minnesota down at one point by 36 points.

I know the Blazers have had some injuries. All teams deal with injuries. I know the Blazers are young. There are multiple teams just as young as the Blazers doing significantly better. The excuses are easy to rattle off. Where is the accountability? The players look uninspired. These are young players that should be showing signs of growth. They appear to be regressing.

The ticket value I paid at the start of the season has plummeted. The only way to get rid of the tickets I can't use is to give them away (not sell them). And in many cases, it's hard to find someone who wants the tickets even for free.

I guess the harshest thing I could say at the moment is - I'm losing interest and just don't care.
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This is a good post and a very decent way to address it with the organization.
 
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