I dont like Carroll

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I havent been impressed.

Id rather have Marcus, and Im clearly the leader of the Marucs Williams hate club
 
How about as a shooting guard? Or a combo guard, even?
 
Like most players, he may work out if Sean can turn into the Camby rim protector we think he can. But he hasnt shown enough of an offensive game to me.
 
so i guess your a fan of conroy,hodge or yuta. they all are just all star basketball players and so much better than Carroll.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 10 2008, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so i guess your a fan of conroy,hodge or yuta. they all are just all star basketball players and so much better than Carroll.</div>

Hodge isn't all that great, and Yuta hasn't done anything, really.

Conroy is a natural, pass-first PG, which helps the team more than Carroll. Not to say that he's better than Carroll, the verdict's still out on that one...it's just that he has the better skills for his size and position.
 
If Carroll continues his play, he deserves an invitation to camp, but I highly doubt that he will make the team. I mean, he's been dominating D-leagures people. Come on. But I would not mind an invite to camp.
 
He looked worse than he was because he ran the point the first two games.

I loved what I saw yesterday, coming off the bench and just scoring.
 
He has nothing to do with Marcus. He won't play back-up point. Team is going to go after someone with more experience for that.

If they bring him in it's just to be a sharpshooter off the bench. Which we don't have other than Anderson.
 
I'll ask again.

Why can't Jaycee do exactly what Eddie House did at a fraction of the price?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 10 2008, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'll ask again.

Why can't Jaycee do exactly what Eddie House did at a fraction of the price?</div>
He can... and they won't need to rely on him as much as they did Eddie. Eddie was a key rotation guy. Carroll would be more of a specialist. Like when Eddie first came into the league.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 10 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 10 2008, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'll ask again.

Why can't Jaycee do exactly what Eddie House did at a fraction of the price?</div>
He can... and they won't need to rely on him as much as they did Eddie. Eddie was a key rotation guy. Carroll would be more of a specialist. Like when Eddie first came into the league.
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Right. So he has a defined role that the Nets need filled and he appears very capable of filling it - for almost no money. Sounds like a smart move keeping him around.

Everyone focuses too much on what a player can't do. If he can do the things the team needs, what is the issue?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 10 2008, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jul 10 2008, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 10 2008, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'll ask again.

Why can't Jaycee do exactly what Eddie House did at a fraction of the price?</div>
He can... and they won't need to rely on him as much as they did Eddie. Eddie was a key rotation guy. Carroll would be more of a specialist. Like when Eddie first came into the league.
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Right. So he has a defined role that the Nets need filled and he appears very capable of filling it - for almost no money. Sounds like a smart move keeping him around.

Everyone focuses too much on what a player can't do. If he can do the things the team needs, what is the issue?
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yup... hey you're not giving any opinion in the Camby/Najera thread. Stop slacking!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 10 2008, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kk30 @ Jul 10 2008, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so i guess your a fan of conroy,hodge or yuta. they all are just all star basketball players and so much better than Carroll.</div>

Hodge isn't all that great, and Yuta hasn't done anything, really.

Conroy is a natural, pass-first PG, which helps the team more than Carroll. Not to say that he's better than Carroll, the verdict's still out on that one...it's just that he has the better skills for his size and position.
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I was being sarcastic
 
A lotta Marcus haters on this forum
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jul 10 2008, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A lotta Marcus haters on this forum
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Not as much hate as it is indifference. You get what you give.
 
I like Carroll to line up in the back court (in limited minutes) with Vince when Harris is on the bench or at times when the Nets offense needs some punch. He wouldn't have to guard the much bigger 2 guards and wouldn't have to play the point, since Vince can do both of those things. Then he can focus on the things he does really well, like moving to open spots and shooting and taking the occasional drive when it presents itself. And imagine the luxury of having a guy like him to bring in for a last possession with the team down 3.

I concur 100% that he is a cheap sharpshooter/Eddie House type except that I believe he will be a more consistent shooter than House, given his percentages in college. The guy can flat out stroke it.
 
Listen, I like Carroll's play, but remember this is just SL. Summer league success does not translate to NBA success. I still recomend the Nets inviting him to camp, and then see how he fairs against the other NBA players. Try him out in a couple of preseason games, but keeping him on the roster is a stretch.
 
Judging by the box score, it sure seems like Carroll and Conroy both outplayed the great hype, Russell Westbrook, yesterday. Westbrook went 2 for 13 from the field. That will prove to be an idiotic pick by the Sonics.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Jul 10 2008, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Judging by the box score, it sure seems like Carroll and Conroy both outplayed the great hype, Russell Westbrook, yesterday. Westbrook went 2 for 13 from the field. That will prove to be an idiotic pick by the Sonics.</div>
Don't just look at the box scores, especially from one game. Westbrook took a fall and landed on his head during that game.

Game 1: He went for 18 pts, 5 asts, and 1 steal in 30 min
Game 2: 19/3/3 in 24 min
Game 3: 10/3/1 in 26 min

I think he'll be okay. Still think #4 was a bit high for him to go, but he's going to be a solid player.
 
I'm sure he'll be okay, but #4 was way too high. Sonics could have traded down and got more value, they could have gotten Love or Bayless, or gotten a guy like Chalmers later in the draft. All those guys will be better than Westbrook. I bet CDR will be better than Westbrook.
 
can we plz wait until midway or after preseason before we decide on who makes the team and not? i take absolutely nothing away from summer league. these are pick up games compared to nba standards with some teams, who have rosters that dont consist of one nba player. carrol may be good, or may not but lets reserve judgement and see how he handles nba level compeition
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Jul 10 2008, 01:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm sure he'll be okay, but #4 was way too high. Sonics could have traded down and got more value, they could have gotten Love or Bayless, or gotten a guy like Chalmers later in the draft. All those guys will be better than Westbrook. I bet CDR will be better than Westbrook.</div>
well, id rather take a risk on westbrook now then ryan anderson and maybe even cdr
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Jul 10 2008, 12:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I like Carroll to line up in the back court (in limited minutes) with Vince when Harris is on the bench or at times when the Nets offense needs some punch. He wouldn't have to guard the much bigger 2 guards and wouldn't have to play the point, since Vince can do both of those things. Then he can focus on the things he does really well, like moving to open spots and shooting and taking the occasional drive when it presents itself. And imagine the luxury of having a guy like him to bring in for a last possession with the team down 3.

I concur 100% that he is a cheap sharpshooter/Eddie House type except that I believe he will be a more consistent shooter than House, given his percentages in college. The guy can flat out stroke it.</div>

Yeah that works. The PG or SG just comes back down the court and matches the point production.
 
Bobby Simmons is a career 39.0% three point shooter, peaking at 43.5% in his best year.

I know people forget he is on the team, but compare his career three point shooting to James Jones, supposed assasin beyond the arc or Eddie House.

Jones 39.9% career, House 40.8%

What that means in real world terms is that if all three took 100 shots, House would make two more than Simmons and one more than Jones...in other words, the difference is essentially meaningless.
 
My concern for Simmons, based solely on what I read from those that watched him a lot since injury, is that he may not move well enough defensively or contribute enough on the other end to merit a lot of minutes. His shooting percentages also dipped significantly last year (even including his very hot April). However, if he recaptures some of his lost mobility and can resume where his shooting left off at the end of last year, he will be a nice veteran presence and compliment to the slashing of Devin and VC and post play of Lopez. Fingers crossed.
 
I like Yi and VC,but i don‘t like …………(you know)
 
Another thing that I like about this guy is that he's an automatic FT shooter.

Every team needs one of those.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 10 2008, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Another thing that I like about this guy is that he's an automatic FT shooter.

Every team needs one of those.</div>

the nets have boone--that's an automatic.

[but maybe not the way you mean]
 
we should sign carroll or else the nets are going to tap eddie gill again from the d-league or sign some washed-up veteran...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jul 10 2008, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jul 10 2008, 07:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Another thing that I like about this guy is that he's an automatic FT shooter.

Every team needs one of those.</div>

the nets have boone--that's an automatic.

[but maybe not the way you mean]
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lol... ya seriously i dont even kno why boone's FTs are so bad... hes form isnt that horrible... dont get it... LOL how does he miss the rim at times?!!?
 

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