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So Ive seen a lot of people insinuate that well this proves we dont need CJ, or that CJ’s easily replaceable. I would caution against making that claim now. Most of the games have been at home, the teams they faced while not terrible, not exactly teams you expect to do much in a few weeks. Its just too few games to really know in my opinion.
Especially without Nurk I think CJ’s going to play a big role in determining what the Blazers are capable of in the post-season.
 
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Wizard Mentor said:
Free Agency will be interesting this year. However, with half of the league FAs this offseason...
1) I don't think teams will be falling over themselves to get a tiny tot who can't create his own shot, play PG, or play defense particularly well.
2) Since teams will be scrambling to move salary for a chance at all of these FAs, Biebs and ET won't be traded (until the deadline, if at all).

tldr;
If you like Curry, don't worry.
If you want ET and Biebs gone, it ain't gonna happen.
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- Theyll have to choose between Curry and Hood
- theyll likely have to trade Meyers, Moe, or ET to get far enough below the hard cap to open up the Full MLE in order to resign Curry or Hood. Curry will likely make more than $5.5M (Just look at guys like Doug McDermott and Mario Herzonja).

So for the chance to choose between Curry and Hood, theyll likely have to trade ET or Meyers.
 
e_blazer said:
Don’t disagree with that, Bert. I’ve never said I was totally against trading CJ. What I have always said is that I think the right approach to making trades is to figure out who you want to trade FOR and then see if there’s a deal that makes sense. Too often around here it’s which Blazer someone wants to trade away.
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Exactly.
 
Don’t worry, CJ/Zach/Simons/and some picks are headed to New Orleans. We will be keeping Seth and Hood. Oh yeah and after that at next years trade deadline the Nards/Moe expirings will be traded for some stud wing but right before that Nurk is gonna come back faster than anyone expected and actually be better than he was before the injury.

Dame/Seth
Layman/Hood
Stud Wing/ET
AD/Chief
Nurk/Who Cares

Book it all.
 
TBpup said:
I've believed for quite some time many of CJ's points could be fairly easily replaced and that his greatest value to this team is what we could get in a trade to strengthen other areas of greater need.
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And what could we get in a trade for CJ? Why do we assume we can get a better player than him in a trade?

Seth doing this against low tier teams is nice, but it doesn't say he's at CJ's level and thus CJ is easily replaceable.
 
Minstrel said:
The thing is, Thompson doesn't just sit in the corner, waiting for the ball. He plays more like Reggie Miller, zooming around the court constantly, around screens, losing defenders. His constant motion creates disorder for defenses. McCollum could do that and be plenty active. And even then, he still wouldn't have to be a pure shooter--attacking close-outs, drawing help and finishing or kicking out is immensely valuable when the ball does come to him. I don't think McCollum needs the ball in his hands, in a ball-dominant fashion, to be successful.
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You mean like a real shooting guard?
 
ThePosterFormerlyKnownAsTheHCP said:
When you are reading a thread, when you get to the bottom, it shows other threads that have similar titles. Just so happened to see the one from me at the bottom.
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This doesn't work for those of us who read threads backward. I skip the intro stuff and head straight for the latest. If that's any good, I read the preceding post. Etc. By the time the thread bores me enough to leave it, the bottom of the page is long gone and I'm sky-high on the page.

Legalize LSD!
 
e_blazer said:
Don’t disagree with that, Bert. I’ve never said I was totally against trading CJ. What I have always said is that I think the right approach to making trades is to figure out who you want to trade FOR and then see if there’s a deal that makes sense. Too often around here it’s which Blazer someone wants to trade away.
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Couldn't agree more. I've never been on the trade CJ train. The guy is pretty amazing offensively. I am on the "improve the team" train. So if CJ is the chip that gets that done, so be it.

:cheers:
 
BBert said:
Couldn't agree more. I've never been on the trade CJ train. The guy is pretty amazing offensively. I am on the "improve the team" train. So if CJ is the chip that gets that done, so be it.

:cheers:
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That's pretty much where I'm at. However, that's much easier said than done. No matter who you trade CJ for, replacing him with Curry is NOT an option. Maybe Hood. Maybe. But under no circumstances is Curry a viable replacement.

Then we come to who we should trade CJ for. I'd trade him for a massive upgrade at SF. I'd trade him for a bigger, two-way SG. Outside of Davis I'd be very hesitant to trade him for PF. I would only trade CJ for a non-Davis PF if we're getting back significantly more (another 6th-man level player and/or lotto picks).
 
blue9 said:
No matter who you trade CJ for, replacing him with Curry is NOT an option. Maybe Hood. Maybe. But under no circumstances is Curry a viable replacement.
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Why?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Why?
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He hates Curry.

blue9 said:
That's pretty much where I'm at. However, that's much easier said than done. No matter who you trade CJ for, replacing him with Curry is NOT an option. Maybe Hood. Maybe. But under no circumstances is Curry a viable replacement.

Then we come to who we should trade CJ for. I'd trade him for a massive upgrade at SF. I'd trade him for a bigger, two-way SG. Outside of Davis I'd be very hesitant to trade him for PF. I would only trade CJ for a non-Davis PF if we're getting back significantly more (another 6th-man level player and/or lotto picks).
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Why do you hate Curry so much? He's been great lately.
 
hoopsjock said:
He hates Curry.


Why do you hate Curry so much? He's been great lately.
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Well, I was hoping for a more detailed explanation. Eternal optimist, I am. I mean, I'm guessing it's just a height thing, but figured I'd ask rather than just assume.
 
hoopsjock said:
He hates Curry.


Why do you hate Curry so much? He's been great lately.
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Not just lately, the advanced numbers on him all season have been really good. His +/- and net rating have been near the top of the roster all year.
 
As great as I think curry is, not everyone's a fan of the taste of masala.

I think Curry is ideally a really good reserve, but he wouldn't kill the team as a starter if McCollum fetched an upgrade at another position. He's a great shooter, and he's a competent play-maker for others though his Assist Rate numbers have suffered in joining a team with both Lillard and McCollum.
 
So I guess it depends on when you trade CJ. I think with Curry being as good of a shooter as he is and filling in well for CJ has made it so unless they can clear cap space they probably can't afford Curry. I wouldn't be all that shocked if they can't afford to keep any of the guys they don't have bird rights for. The only really good news in that department is that half the league will be FA's too so maybe some of the Portland guys fly under the radar.

Curry is not a 1 to 1 replacement for CJ in my book, but if you traded CJ on draft day (going into the new year), and were able to afford to keep Curry, maybe you can upgrade at wing enough to have that overall be a positive?
 
it's possible to be in favor or Portland exploring CJ trade options (for a subjectively good common sense return) and still not see either Hood or Curry as a suitable long-term replacement at SG. For a year of transition, sure, especially with Simons and Trent on-board And with Nurkic missing). But long term, Blazers would need to find somebody better; or at least they'd need to upgrade one of the wing positions for Hood/Curry and Harkless. Portland's couldn't afford to be that weak at two positions where the rest of the league was strong
 
In the theme of this thread.

Kanter since Nurk went down:

26.5 mpg, 17.6 pts, 11 rebs, 1 blk, 1 stl on 65% FG, 56% FT. Only 0.4 asts per game. And a net + 54 in 5 games.

Collins since Nurk went down:

21.2 mpg., 10.4 pts, 4.8 rebs, 1 blk, 0.8 asts pm 56% FG, 70% FT, 54% 3pt per game.
And a net + 14 in 5 games. More importantly with Zach: 1.4 fouls per game.
 
Kanter used to be a good FT shooter. wtf happened?
 
yuyuza1 said:
In the theme of this thread.

Kanter since Nurk went down:

26.5 mpg, 17.6 pts, 11 rebs, 1 blk, 1 stl on 65% FG, 56% FT. Only 0.4 asts per game. And a net + 54 in 5 games.

Collins since Nurk went down:

21.2 mpg., 10.4 pts, 4.8 rebs, 1 blk, 0.8 asts pm 56% FG, 70% FT, 54% 3pt per game.
And a net + 14 in 5 games. More importantly with Zach: 1.4 fouls per game.
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Zach was killing it last night.

He's really starting to blossom.
 
julius said:
He really is showing signs of maturation on offense. He's going up strong and pump faking. I hope its a sign of things to come.
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Game is starting to slow down for him. He's playing relaxed, confident and patient on offense. And aggressively looking for his offense. And he's aggressive on defense without the dumb fouls.

I knew this day would come :)

:cheers:
 
julius said:
Kanter used to be a good FT shooter. wtf happened?
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Part of it might be the lack of pressure playing for NY the last couple seasons and then coming into a situation where you're trying too hard to show your new team you can help them. Free throws are one of those things that can mess with you if you're thinking about them too much.
 
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