I hope all the Romney supporters give Obama second term a chance.

[Further]

I know you all want what is best for America. I also know that at this moment things might look bleak. I have been in your position watching Gore lose. But for a few more years, there isn't much you can do change the situation.

I ask you to understand that we also want what is best for America, and for us Obama getting a second term is a big part of that. Please keep your mind open to good results from the President. I do believe that we will be in a more thriving economy in four years.

I will also reexamine the situation in four years and will admit, eat crow, if the economy does not recover. We shall see. But for now, Obama is the President of all Americans and I hope he proves to be a good choice. Please keep an open mind.

 

[KingSpeed]

Amen.

 

[ABM]

I will fer sures.

As I would for any President in office, will be praying for him.....our other political leaders.....and for our country as a whole.

 

[Denny Crane]

Gridlock.

For The Win!

Gridlock means govt. won't do any more harm than it already has. And it has. Massively.

 

[magnifier661]

I always respect and love my president. I'm pissed but I'm a patriot.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I am not a patriot and I won't pretend to be one for the sake of jingoism. If anything, this loss motivates me to better myself, not my country.

We already know Obama's vision for this country and I simply cannot support it.

 

[maxiep]

What do people expect President Obama will do differently in a second term?

 

[magnifier661]

What do people expect President Obama will do differently in a second term?

My guess. Spend more money, no budget, more federal control, more welfare, lower jobs, stocks market recession on his capital gains taxes, and higher income taxes on the upper middle class and up.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

What do people expect President Obama will do differently in a second term?

He'll be more radical. He'll bypass more checks and balances at every corner in order to further turn this country into a welfare state.

 

[PapaG]

I am not a patriot and I won't pretend to be one for the sake of jingoism. If anything, this loss motivates me to better myself, not my country.

We already know Obama's vision for this country and I simply cannot support it.

Exact same thing I was thinking. What changes in the 2nd term, other than more blaming of the other side? What is Obama's vision?

 

[e_blazer]

As I see it, the ball's in Obama's court. If he moves a bit to the center, recognizing that the popular vote is about evenly split, and is willing to make some concessions to the Republicans in the House, as Clinton did, there's a chance that his second term can be positive. OTOH, if he comes in pushing a strongly left agenda, I think all hell's going to break loose. Four years of total gridlock, with the debt limit mess coming up right away, is going to make an economic recovery nearly impossible. I'm also concerned that the Libya debacle is going to blow up into a really nasty fight unless Obama makes a real attempt to bury the hatchet with the House.

I'm more than willing to give the President a chance, but he absolutley has to show some leadership if he wants his second term to be a success. And, as any good politician will tell you, a good leader is also a good compromiser. The ball's in his court. I hope he doesn't bounce it off his foot.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Well the Fiscal Cliff is coming in about a month or two. History has shown that he has not conceded on these budget issues and has been unable to deal with a republican majority in the past, its largely been "his way or the highway". Chances are they'll bitch and moan until the very last second of collapse, but it will just be another makeshift solution that just delays the problem rather than addressing the underlying issues.

yay.

 

[Further]

As I see it, the ball's in Obama's court. If he moves a bit to the center, recognizing that the popular vote is about evenly split, and is willing to make some concessions to the Republicans in the House, as Clinton did, there's a chance that his second term can be positive. OTOH, if he comes in pushing a strongly left agenda, I think all hell's going to break loose. Four years of total gridlock, with the debt limit mess coming up right away, is going to make an economic recovery nearly impossible. I'm also concerned that the Libya debacle is going to blow up into a really nasty fight unless Obama makes a real attempt to bury the hatchet with the House.

I'm more than willing to give the President a chance, but he absolutley has to show some leadership if he wants his second term to be a success. And, as any good politician will tell you, a good leader is also a good compromiser. The ball's in his court. I hope he doesn't bounce it off his foot.

That's a fair point of view. I hope he wins your respect.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Do angry, bitter people become Republicans....or does being Republican make them that way?

I didn't rant when Bush was elected, and frankly it offends me that Republicans so often are incapable of the same curtesy.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Do angry, bitter people become Republicans....or does being Republican make them that way?

I didn't rant when Bush was elected, and frankly it offends me that Republicans so often are incapable of the same curtesy.

Yes. The democrat party is one of respect and level-headedness when they don't get their way. :MARIS61:

 

[Natebishop3]

I gave his first term a chance. I had high expectations for this guy because he came in talking about "hope" and "change". All I see is an escalation in Afghanistan, huge bailouts for banks and the auto industry, and an economy that is still floundering.

What's his next big move?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I gave his first term a chance. I had high expectations for this guy because he came in talking about "hope" and "change". All I see is an escalation in Afghanistan, huge bailouts for banks and the auto industry, and an economy that is still floundering.

What's his next big move?

a trillion dollar stimulus package + QE4. Raising the taxes on the wealthy. increasing social welfare.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Yes. The democrat party is one of respect and level-headedness when they don't get their way. :MARIS61:

I can't speak for all people who voted Democrat - only for myself. *I* didn't act that way, so I feel I have the right to be offended when other people act like jerks. (Rs or Ds) That is the difference between an honest opinion and the hypocrisy that dominates political debate in this country.

 

[Natebishop3]

a trillion dollar stimulus package + QE4. Raising the taxes on the wealthy. increasing social welfare.

You know, it's funny, if the government was actually efficient at spending money and didn't flush our tax dollars down the toilet, it wouldn't be so bad. Unfortunately, government wastes money hand over fist. And that's both parties... not one or the other.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

how can it be hypocritical when we actually lay out our justifications for why we are negative on Obama? I mean we're not screaming shit like "he's a kenyan!" or something like that, we're merely taking his past actions as an indication of future behavior, along with what he outlined in his campaign.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

You know, it's funny, if the government was actually efficient at spending money and didn't flush our tax dollars down the toilet, it wouldn't be so bad. Unfortunately, government wastes money hand over fist. And that's both parties... not one or the other.

Its not inefficiency so much as it is theft.

 

[ehizzy3]

they never gave him a chance the first term, why would they now when they're so angry, lolz

 

[chris_in_pdx]

As I see it, the ball's in Obama's court. If he moves a bit to the center, recognizing that the popular vote is about evenly split, and is willing to make some concessions to the Republicans in the House, as Clinton did, there's a chance that his second term can be positive. OTOH, if he comes in pushing a strongly left agenda, I think all hell's going to break loose. Four years of total gridlock, with the debt limit mess coming up right away, is going to make an economic recovery nearly impossible. I'm also concerned that the Libya debacle is going to blow up into a really nasty fight unless Obama makes a real attempt to bury the hatchet with the House.

I'm more than willing to give the President a chance, but he absolutley has to show some leadership if he wants his second term to be a success. And, as any good politician will tell you, a good leader is also a good compromiser. The ball's in his court. I hope he doesn't bounce it off his foot.

What planet do you people live on? In what reality is Obama pushing a "strongly left agenda" and a "socialist"? Jesus Christ, he's been more right-leaning moderate than Bush on almost every fucking issue, and even the Healthcare idea was stolen part-and-parcel from THE FUCKING REPUBLICANS.

If anything, I HOPE that Obama says fuck you to the obstructionist righties and starts to get some shit done for the American people. Not the 1%, not the fundies, but average Joes who need a little push in their direction from the daily fuckjob we get.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Reminder: he did not have any obstructionism his first two years in office. You've seen the best from Obama.

 

[oldmangrouch]

OK, let's take the stimulas/bank bailout issue for a moment. What was the PRACTICAL alternative?

In case you hadn't noticed, the recession is international. No American president of either party can stop it. If Obama had opted to do nothing, how would our situation be any better? The stimulas/bailout was not a "good" option...it was just the best available. If Obama had said "screw the banks, let the economy fail" would you have voted for him?

Sometimes, you have to do unpleasant things because there really is no option - eg Bush invading Afghanistan. I didn't condemn Bush for that because I knew he had to do it. That's giving someone a fair chance.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The Bank Bailout/TARP was mainly Bush btw. But I was against that at the time as well. You just had to let what was going to fail, fail. Theory behind it is they are bad systems and eventually they will regress to their previous behavior and the situation will just be magnified. You make it seem that Obama "saved" the economy, when it was the bailout program enacted during the Bush presidency.

So when you say if Obama were to "do nothing", I'll just assume you're talking about his stimulus programs. I honestly think not much would be different other than maybe a few companies would have gone under/through restructuring. We would just have a few trillion dollars less debt. Maybe there would have been a slightly longer technical "recession" but in the big picture of things, the economy as a whole would be healthier.

Obama put forth an "economic stimulus" package (two actually) which seemed to have negligible effect, most of the economic gains were due to the FEDs quantitative easing program (x 3!!!!). Very dangerous as the price of goods will increase as inflation kicks in. This along with unsustainable and prolonged zero percent interest rates.

Basically when you normalize everything (stop printing money and then raise interest rates), it will be as if these bailout measures didn't help at all, except you are several trillion dollars further in debt as you have built up another asset bubble. That and hyperinflation, we're going to have a monetary crisis. Look what happened in the PIGS it'll be like that but worse.

 

[Denny Crane]

OK, let's take the stimulas/bank bailout issue for a moment. What was the PRACTICAL alternative?

In case you hadn't noticed, the recession is international. No American president of either party can stop it. If Obama had opted to do nothing, how would our situation be any better? The stimulas/bailout was not a "good" option...it was just the best available. If Obama had said "screw the banks, let the economy fail" would you have voted for him?

Sometimes, you have to do unpleasant things because there really is no option - eg Bush invading Afghanistan. I didn't condemn Bush for that because I knew he had to do it. That's giving someone a fair chance.

If Obama opted to do nothing:

1) We'd be $4T less in debt, and we'd be $10T less in debt after the next 4 years.
2) The economy would have turned for the better 2 years sooner.
3) The shape of the recovery would have been a V instead of an L.
4) The economy would be adding more jobs than workers.
5) What separates us from Greece, economically, is our interest rates are artificially low. You think they are going to stay low forever?

You may not remember, but there sure was a massive effort by democrats to delegitimize W's election in 2000. "Selected" they said. Assaulted the Supreme Court for voting 7-2 against Gore trying to steal the election. Etc.