I just don't get this Roy thing

[Stevenson]

The guy has four solid years. Plays through pain. R.O.Y. and Allstar. Has surgery and only misses a few playoff games. Sure, we know he has some knee issues, but it didn't seem like anything serious.

And then, bang.

He misses a few early games, and we hear his left knee has always been very bad, and his game falls off a cliff?

I have never seen anything like it. It's just weird.

 

[Mediocre Man]

When he had surgery last year, his knee was shot. His playoff performance is what we have seen this season. What it does is show that even with an entire off season to rest, Brandon can't do it

 

[HailBlazers]

As natural as B-Roy makes it all look, he's been working too hard for years. The evolution I wish to see in his game is one that makes others, look like natural scorer's. Take the load off the knees and the psyche.

 

[maxiep]

The guy has four solid years. Plays through pain. R.O.Y. and Allstar. Has surgery and only misses a few playoff games. Sure, we know he has some knee issues, but it didn't seem like anything serious.

And then, bang.

He misses a few early games, and we hear his left knee has always been very bad, and his game falls off a cliff?

I have never seen anything like it. It's just weird.

Yep. Just our luck. This franchise has been cursed with our franchise players having their careers shortened by injuries. Drexler has been our only superstar to remain healthy. Petrie, Walton, Bowie (check his stats when healthy) and now Roy and even Oden (again, when he plays, he's dominant). It's stunning.

 

[Minstrel]

His playoff performance is what we have seen this season.

No. He wasn't even approaching NBA caliber in the playoffs last year. He put up a 4.5 PER. That's like bringing in a YMCA player.

This season, his PER is 15, which is approximately average for a starter. Yes, he's looked bad and his defense reduces his value below an average starter, but he's much better this season than he was in the playoffs last year.

 

[Shooter]

Roy may have done this to himself by coming back last year only 8 days after his surgery.

 

[illmatic99]

No. He wasn't even approaching NBA caliber in the playoffs last year. He put up a 4.5 PER. That's like bringing in a YMCA player.

I have to point to small sample size here. He played in 4 games during the playoffs. If you pick a stretch of four games (say the last four) and calculate PER, I'm sure it will be similar.

Look wise, it seems as if Roy is still moving in slow motion like he was during the playoffs last year.

 

[craigehlo]

@RicBucher

BRoy doesn't look right, but sources close to him insist playing off the ball w/Andre Miller has more to do w/his struggles than his knees.

Looks like Roy's camp is still going after Andre Miller. Do they really think we are that dumb?

 

[MIXUM]

miller is gonna be traded.... and thats sad.

 

[Nikolokolus]

The guy has four solid years. Plays through pain. R.O.Y. and Allstar. Has surgery and only misses a few playoff games. Sure, we know he has some knee issues, but it didn't seem like anything serious.

And then, bang.

He misses a few early games, and we hear his left knee has always been very bad, and his game falls off a cliff?

I have never seen anything like it. It's just weird.

He had surgery on his "good" right knee last spring. He was compensating for his bad left knee by letting his right take the brunt. His right is now shot too ... no more compensating. Any questions?

 

[Blazinaway]

miller is gonna be traded.... and thats sad.

agree it is "sad" as i like Miller, but if we can get a good prospect/player we have to do it. Andre is 34 and has one more option yr left on his contract. If we get a good deal then you gotta deal him, if trade offers are crap we keep him. Gotta think past this yr and a strike shortened next

 

[hasoos]

The guy has four solid years. Plays through pain. R.O.Y. and Allstar. Has surgery and only misses a few playoff games. Sure, we know he has some knee issues, but it didn't seem like anything serious.

And then, bang.

He misses a few early games, and we hear his left knee has always been very bad, and his game falls off a cliff?

I have never seen anything like it. It's just weird.

You remember it different than I. Roy has missed a lot more than a few playoff games. 2 out of the 4 seasons he has only played 57 and 65 games. The others were in the 70's. All of those games missed, had to do with knee problems for the most part.

 

[andalusian]

You remember it different than I. Roy has missed a lot more than a few playoff games. 2 out of the 4 seasons he has only played 57 and 65 games. The others were in the 70's. All of those games missed, had to do with knee problems for the most part.

Not just. There were Hammy and heel issues as well. Also missed a game or two when his kids were born, if memory serves.

 

[HailBlazers]

Roy may have done this to himself by coming back last year only 8 days after his surgery.

It was one of my greatest moments as a Blazer fan in the RG, but atlas you may be correct, B-Roy has shouldered too much of the load, and his knee's have paid the price.

@RicBucher: Looks like Roy's camp is still going after Andre Miller. Do they really think we are that dumb?

Roy's Camp is simply in Denial. Too be honest, I don't want the old Roy, I want a new one who can make any and every teammate better doing whatever it takes to make The Team win, that's superstar, please someone give him the memo!

 

[Nikolokolus]

Roy may have done this to himself by coming back last year only 8 days after his surgery.

Not really. His right knee was the one they operated on, it's his left that's giving him so much trouble.

 

[HailBlazers]

Not really.

Well Possibly, from over compensation.

 

[Blaze01]

There has been speculation that the problem isn't so much with his knees as it is with his head.....

ie.. he has a high self-inflated ego that is contributing to his "chronic-knee" condition, making it appear that he has lost more than he really has.....

Doesn't anyone remember Roy saying a year or two ago that he essentially coasted on defense b\c he needed to preserve himself on the offensive end? I do...

He walks the ball up the court, wants the ball in his hands and offense running through him, he doesn't want to run he wants to play 1/2 court offense, he gives half assed effort on the defensive end, and he insists that POR mgmt put shooters around him as "bail out" options basically when he goes ISO....

Did I miss anything?

Yeah, his knee is degenerative, and I think what he is struggling with coming to grips with is the fact that he cannot beat his defender 1v1 as much anymore....The problem with Roy is, he thinks it is b\c of the other players o the floor with him and not that he has lost a step....

Knee degeneration, check...

Sulking & pouting, you bet....

Combine those two together and you have what we have witnessed this year, a player who looks worse than he probabaly is...

You watch Miller goes and suddenly Roy will be playing a little better....

Honestly, it is time to part ways with Roy...Build around Aldridge, whose plays w\o Roy has been a revelation...

I don't have a problem with POR trading MIller b\c he is not a part of the long term plan, but IMO afterwards, after Roy has rebuilt his "broken down" image a little, ship his self serving ass out of town...the team will be better for it.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Well Possibly, from over compensation.

Shooter was suggesting that it was possible that coming back too soon from surgery is a culprit in his latest woes with his knees, if that was the case you'd think it would be the surgically repaired knee that would be bothering him. Playing in two or three games back in April would be unlikely to be responsible because the type of injury he's dealing with isn't an acute problem but is instead a chronic, degenerative issue.

What we're seeing now is that he doesn't have a single good knee anymore and he's running out of ways to compensate for that -- short of a complete overhaul of his game.

 

[BlayZa]

There has been speculation that the problem isn't so much with his knees as it is with his head.....

ie.. he has a high self-inflated ego that is contributing to his "chronic-knee" condition, making it appear that he has lost more than he really has.....

Doesn't anyone remember Roy saying a year or two ago that he essentially coasted on defense b\c he needed to preserve himself on the offensive end? I do...

He walks the ball up the court, wants the ball in his hands and offense running through him, he doesn't want to run he wants to play 1/2 court offense, he gives half assed effort on the defensive end, and he insists that POR mgmt put shooters around him as "bail out" options basically when he goes ISO....

Did I miss anything?

Yeah, his knee is degenerative, and I think what he is struggling with coming to grips with is the fact that he cannot beat his defender 1v1 as much anymore....The problem with Roy is, he thinks it is b\c of the other players o the floor with him and not that he has lost a step....

Knee degeneration, check...

Sulking & pouting, you bet....

Combine those two together and you have what we have witnessed this year, a player who looks worse than he probabaly is...

You watch Miller goes and suddenly Roy will be playing a little better....

Honestly, it is time to part ways with Roy...Build around Aldridge, whose plays w\o Roy has been a revelation...

I don't have a problem with POR trading MIller b\c he is not a part of the long term plan, but IMO afterwards, after Roy has rebuilt his "broken down" image a little, ship his self serving ass out of town...the team will be better for it.

+1 hombre

 

[KingSpeed]

Trade for Nelson and all Roy's problems will go away.

 

[jlprk]

Looks like Roy's camp is still going after Andre Miller. Do they really think we are that dumb?

Miller & Cho, not Roy, may be pushing that idea (Roy's problems are due to Andre) out to GMs in order to overvalue Roy in a trade.

The guy has four solid years. Plays through pain. R.O.Y. and Allstar. Has surgery and only misses a few playoff games. Sure, we know he has some knee issues, but it didn't seem like anything serious.

And then, bang. He misses a few early games, and we hear his left knee has always been very bad, and his game falls off a cliff? I have never seen anything like it. It's just weird.

Has this rare combination of 2 things ever happened before?--1) being injured so much you permanently drop a couple of talent levels, yet 2) not being hurt so much that you miss much time.

Roy missed 13 days, from April 11 to 24, then played in the playoffs, but at a lower talent level permanently.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

There is a silver lining in all of this: It took the spotlight off of Oden. I almost forgot that he even existed. Any word on how his rehab is going?

 

[jlprk]

With his infectious love of the game, he's a regular at the practice facility, putting in long workout hours, always the first to arrive and the last to leave. "I have something to prove,' he told reporters, who see him there every day and never wonder where he is. "I am making $6.76 million dollars this year and I owe it to my owner, my team, and most of all, all of you grreat fans in Portland who have put up with me for 4 years without booing me!" With that, Oden broke out his typical wide smile as he did 100 situps, which don't require putting weight on his healing knee.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Someone earlier (ESPN, maybe) brought up Penny Hardaway

 

[oldmangrouch]

Trade for Nelson and all Roy's problems will go away.

If that's true - if Roy is just pouting and faking injuries - he deserves to be burned at the stake.

 

[Stevenson]

With his infectious love of the game, he's a regular at the practice facility, putting in long workout hours, always the first to arrive and the last to leave. "I have something to prove,' he told reporters, who see him there every day and never wonder where he is. "I am making $6.76 million dollars this year and I owe it to my owner, my team, and most of all, all of you grreat fans in Portland who have put up with me for 4 years without booing me!" With that, Oden broke out his typical wide smile as he did 100 situps, which don't require putting weight on his healing knee.

As my sweet Gram used to say, "From your mouth to God's ears!"

 

[THE HCP]

Man, Penny was so cold when he first came into this league!