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[Denny Crane]

Looks like a bad dude. And he was just turning his life around, he just got out of prison a few months ago!View attachment 10166

You do know that's 10 years ago, right?

And it's no shock that the system goes after young black men for drugs.

 

[blue32]

He was big and black. Scary big, scary black. He wasn't high on PCP, but that's a convenient claim if you're looking for excuses to excuse this execution.

First off, the "big bad dude" comment was from the Helicopter and not from the ground officers. It makes no difference to the case at all, because they have no influence on the proceedings down below. The ONE guy made a comment from his own opinion of how the suspect looked from the air.

Secondly, we shall see and await the toxicity results of his blood work. I am pretty certain that the dude was high. If not, I'll eat crow, I have no problem saying I was wrong. But people generally don't disobey police direction when they are sober.

 

[blue32]

You do know that's 10 years ago, right?

And it's no shock that the system goes after young black men for drugs.

Oh, please. The guy has a history of drug charges. Because why? Because HE chose to use and or distribute. Am I even reading correctly that the guy JUST got out of jail?

 

[Sedatedfork]

So the guy was high on PCP and not following orders.

Has anyone seen people on PCP get tasered before? Guess what, they don't fucking care, it doesn't affect them. Crazy shit happens to the human body when you're high on PCP.

I really have no sympathy at all for people doing these types of drugs and causing a problem for citizens and police alike.

Sounds to me like the officers knew he was high, wasn't responding to instruction and made threaten gestures (like reaching for pockets, or into cars, or whatever the fuck).

They are trained to elevate when tasers do not work, and they will not go hand to hand when people are reaching in pockets.

The police thought Rodney King was high on PCP too...

 

[Denny Crane]

Oh, please. The guy has a history of drug charges. Because why? Because HE chose to use and or distribute. Am I even reading correctly that the guy JUST got out of jail?

TEN YEAR OLD CHARGES.

Did the guy take this mythical PCP before or after attending the class he just left?

Even if he were on drugs, it doesn't justify shooting the guy. He had his hands in the air, he was unarmed.

 

[blue32]

The police thought Rodney King was high on PCP too...

Secondly, we shall see and await the toxicity results of his blood work. I am pretty certain that the dude was high. If not, I'll eat crow, I have no problem saying I was wrong. But people generally don't disobey police direction when they are sober.

 

[blue32]

TEN YEAR OLD CHARGES.

Did the guy take this mythical PCP before or after attending the class he just left?

Even if he were on drugs, it doesn't justify shooting the guy. He had his hands in the air, he was unarmed.

HE JUST GOT OUT OF JAIL? WHY ARE WE YELLING?

Mythical PCP? They found some in his vehicle dude.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Tasers dont do shit to people high on PCP.

It ain't called the 'superman' drug for nothing.

So why did the guy in the coptor say he was about to get tazed and one of the officers actually tazed him?

 

[blue32]

So why did the guy in the coptor say he was about to get tazed and one of the officers actually tazed him?

Ask him. I don't know. Perhaps he wasn't trained in recognizing the affects of drugs, like the woman police officer was. Or perhaps the woman police officer was going to see how the taser worked before she fired. Maybe they were trying to use non-lethal and it didn't work so they had to resort to the gun.

Here's the thing; it only takes seconds for someone to pull a gun from their pocket, or reach to their dash of their car and grab a gun. If both officers are holding tasers, they are toast, specially if the guy is on PCP.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Ask him. I don't know. Perhaps he wasn't trained in recognizing the affects of drugs, like the woman police officer was. Or perhaps the woman police officer was going to see how the taser worked before she fired. Maybe they were trying to use non-lethal and it didn't work so they had to resort to the gun.

A good reason for body cams. If your speculation was true I am sure the attorney would have already said these things. For the record I don't really care if he was high on PCP or not. If she wasn't a police officer and you saw this video even you would say it was murder.

 

[Denny Crane]

HE JUST GOT OUT OF JAIL? WHY ARE WE YELLING?

Mythical PCP? They found some in his vehicle dude.

He wasn't in jail in 2012.

And I don't believe the police after a shooting like this. They executed the man, planting evidence on him or his car is to be expected.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/loca...cle_d965a1f2-072b-57bf-a682-6b1cfb22b246.html

A 2012 probable cause affidavit in a misdemeanor case against Crutcher states that his father arrived at the scene in north Tulsa where Terence Crutcher was being arrested on public intoxication and obstruction complaints and told officers his son had “an ongoing problem” with PCP.

An officer used a Taser on Crutcher twice during that arrest while he was face down on the ground, based on the officer’s claim that Crutcher did not comply with at least three orders to show his hands.

 

[blue32]

A good reason for body cams. If your speculation was true I am sure the attorney would have already said these things. For the record I don't really care if he was high on PCP or not. If she wasn't a police officer and you saw this video even you would say it was murder.

I agree with you on the body cam thing. Read this: http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/21/us/terence-crutcher-police-shooting-point-counterpoint/index.html

And you should care if the person was high on PCP. People on that drug fuck shit up and can hurt people (if they turn violent on it) much like the synthetic pot shit where you turn into a face eater.

Lastly, it WOULD be murder if she wasn't a police officer because regular folk do not have the authority to use deadly force in situations like this without first being attacked or fired upon. However, Police Officers do not have to wait to fire before being fired upon. If that is an issue, take it up with the people who write the rules, not the police officers.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/21/us/terence-crutcher-police-shooting-point-counterpoint/

Tulsa police shooting: 5 discrepancies from Terence Crutcher's death

Hands up vs. refusing commands
Was Crutcher high?
Open vs. closed
Armed vs. unarmed
An officer called Crutcher a 'bad dude.' Does that matter?

 

[blue32]

He wasn't in jail in 2012.

And I don't believe the police after a shooting like this. They executed the man, planting evidence on him or his car is to be expected.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/loca...cle_d965a1f2-072b-57bf-a682-6b1cfb22b246.html

A 2012 probable cause affidavit in a misdemeanor case against Crutcher states that his father arrived at the scene in north Tulsa where Terence Crutcher was being arrested on public intoxication and obstruction complaints and told officers his son had “an ongoing problem” with PCP.

An officer used a Taser on Crutcher twice during that arrest while he was face down on the ground, based on the officer’s claim that Crutcher did not comply with at least three orders to show his hands.

You are correct on the jail time, I misread the rap sheet; he was out in 2011. Still on parole. And has countless interactions with police on his record. They've used the taser twice on him in the past in one sitting; which lends to the belief that a taser doesn't work on people that are high, or works rarely.


Also, depending on the clothing of the suspect; a taser may not work, hell the officer could have even missed or had a bad discharge.

 

[jlprk]

Lastly, it WOULD be murder if she wasn't a police officer because regular folk do not have the authority to use deadly force in situations like this without first being attacked or fired upon. However, Police Officers do not have to wait to fire before being fired upon. If that is an issue, take it up with the people who write the rules, not the police officers.

That's why I asked who the anonymous trainers are, so that we can advocate their hangings. Who ARE the cowardly anonymous killers who write these rules? Names?

 

[Denny Crane]

You are correct on the jail time, I misread the rap sheet; he was out in 2011. Still on parole. And has countless interactions with police on his record. They've used the taser twice on him in the past in one sitting; which lends to the belief that a taser doesn't work on people that are high, or works rarely.


Also, depending on the clothing of the suspect; a taser may not work, hell the guy could have even missed.

Many black people have "countless" interactions with police. The police go out of their way to make it so. The cops in NYC used to stop and frisk them randomly, for christ's sake.

The badge isn't a hunting license. That's how it is looking, though.

 

[blue32]

That's why I asked who the anonymous trainers are, so that we can advocate their hangings. Who ARE the cowardly anonymous killers who write these rules?

That would be your state and federal legislature/reps.

 

[jlprk]

That would be your state and federal legislature/reps.

No, they don't write detailed police procedure.

 

[blue32]

Many black people have "countless" interactions with police. The police go out of their way to make it so. The cops in NYC used to stop and frisk them randomly, for christ's sake.

The badge isn't a hunting license. That's how it is looking, though.

OK man, if you want to sit there and try to prove he was innocent in the past then bring proof. Otherwise there is no use in arguing about this. You can't prove he was innocent, but there is proof he was guilty.

 

[blue32]

No, they don't write detailed police procedure.

Of course they do not, but they write the laws, which dictate police procedure.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Have we all forgotten Blackstone's formulation? "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer." It seems that the armed police no longer operate under the same policy as the rest of the justice system. They tend to presume everyone is a threat; is it any wonder that that presumption is automatically met with hostility? As has been said many times before--this is a training issue. Police are no longer trained to "serve and protect"; they are trained to "eliminate threats".

 

[Denny Crane]

OK man, if you want to sit there and try to prove he was innocent in the past then bring proof. Otherwise there is no use in arguing about this. You can't prove he was innocent, but there is proof he was guilty.

His innocence or guilt in the past has no bearing on this. He was unarmed. He was shot for absolutely no good reason, PCP or not.

It's downright sad that anyone is taking the cops' side in this.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Many black people have "countless" interactions with police. The police go out of their way to make it so. The cops in NYC used to stop and frisk them randomly, for christ's sake.

The badge isn't a hunting license. That's how it is looking, though.

Actually, the policy was "Stop, question, and frisk", and the frisk was supposed to require probable cause, but people on both sides of the aisle routinely ignored that aspect.

 

[jlprk]

Of course they do not, but they write the laws, which dictate police procedure.

Nonsense. What are the names of the cowards who trained this fascist woman to kill anyone who doesn't obey her commands?

How was this police violence so predictable that her husband in the helicopter said it would happen?

 

[blue32]

His innocence or guilt in the past has no bearing on this. He was unarmed. He was shot for absolutely no good reason, PCP or not.

It's downright sad that anyone is taking the cops' side in this.

There was good reason if:

1. He was high on PCP and perceived as a threat to the officers safety by disobeying police orders and reaching into a pocket, car window, boot, jock strap etc.

Otherwise if not, then yes, the police officer should be terminated and charged.


I'm not taking sides, I am dealing with facts and offering an alternative point of view because everyone is about to riot,loot, and destroy S2!

 

[jlprk]

OK man, if you want to sit there and try to prove he was innocent in the past then bring proof. Otherwise there is no use in arguing about this. You can't prove he was innocent, but there is proof he was guilty.

Innocent in the past of holding up his arms and getting murdered? What are you talking about? Nothing you say is relevant to what happened.

 

[Denny Crane]

Actually, the policy was "Stop, question, and frisk", and the frisk was supposed to require probable cause, but people on both sides of the aisle routinely ignored that aspect.

That kind of policy is going to inflate the statistics used against black people.

 

[blue32]

Nonsense. What are the names of the cowards who trained this fascist woman to kill anyone who doesn't obey her commands?

How was this police violence so predictable that her husband in the helicopter said it would happen?

you make no sense.

Review: http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/161.239

for example.

 

[Denny Crane]

There was good reason if:

1. He was high on PCP and perceived as a threat to the officers safety by disobeying police orders and reaching into a pocket, car window, boot, jock strap etc.

Otherwise if not, then yes, the police officer should be terminated and charged.


I'm not taking sides, I am dealing with facts and offering an alternative point of view because everyone is about to riot,loot, and destroy S2!

He had his hands up.

He had no weapon.

The police had tasers.

You aren't making a compelling case in the least.

 

[blue32]

Innocent in the past of holding up his arms and getting murdered? What are you talking about? Nothing you say is relevant to what happened.

We were talking about his past arrests. Please try again.