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[EL PRESIDENTE]

Because that's what they do. "Put your hands on the car. "

They still had no reason to escalate to guns.

That's not what they do. They have you walk backwards then kneel on the ground. They don't have you walk back to your vehicle where:

1. You could possibly have a weapon in the front seat
2. You could run in the car and drive away

They did not tell him to walk to his car, he was clearly doing that on his own. The helicopter police confirmed as such.

 

[riverman]

That's not what they do. They have you walk backwards then kneel on the ground. They don't have you walk back to your vehicle where:

1. You could possibly have a weapon in the front seat
2. You could run in the car and drive away

They did not tell him to walk to his car, he was clearly doing that on his own. The helicopter police confirmed as such.

Maybe his cell phone was in the car with his lawyer on speed dial or he wanted to film what was happening

 

[Denny Crane]

That's not what they do. They have you walk backwards then kneel on the ground. They don't have you walk back to your vehicle where:

1. You could possibly have a weapon in the front seat
2. You could run in the car and drive away

They did not tell him to walk to his car, he was clearly doing that on his own. The helicopter police confirmed as such.

The police helicopter called him a scary dude. That's bullshit, too. That's the attitude of those cops. It's outright wrong. They shot an unarmed man.

You're guessing what he did. What we know is the cops blocked out the camera view and shot him.

They didn't account for the helicopter.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

That's not what they do. They have you walk backwards then kneel on the ground. They don't have you walk back to your vehicle where:

1. You could possibly have a weapon in the front seat
2. You could run in the car and drive away

They did not tell him to walk to his car, he was clearly doing that on his own. The helicopter police confirmed as such.

No, that's called a felony stop. That's when someone is suspected of a very serious crime. That is not standard procedure for someone who is broken down on the road.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

"This guy is still walking and not following commands"
"Time for a taser I think"

Hands do not look like they are on the car like you are surrendering but more like you're reaching for something. 20 seconds in.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

No, that's called a felony stop. That's when someone is suspected of a very serious crime. That is not standard procedure for someone who is broken down on the road.

They had their guns drawn and multiple units responded, including a police helicopter.

 

[Denny Crane]

"This guy is still walking and not following commands"
"Time for a taser I think"

Hands do not look like they are on the car like you are surrendering but more like you're reaching for something. 20 seconds in.

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With his hands up.

The guy in the helicopter suggested it might be time to taser the guy. Not shoot him.

Again, excessive force.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The police helicopter called him a scary dude. That's bullshit, too. That's the attitude of those cops. It's outright wrong. They shot an unarmed man.

You're guessing what he did. What we know is the cops blocked out the camera view and shot him.

They didn't account for the helicopter.

They called him scary because he seemed like a big guy. It was more of a compliment.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

With his hands up.

The guy in the helicopter suggested it might be time to taser the guy. Not shoot him.

Again, excessive force.

His hands seemed to be in his car's window when they started firing. There's no way he should have walked to his car, that's a dangerous situation for a cop because its not known what he will do.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Maybe his cell phone was in the car with his lawyer on speed dial or he wanted to film what was happening

When guns are drawn and you reach in your car for an unknown object is a great way to get shot.

 

[Denny Crane]

They called him scary because he seemed like a big guy. It was more of a compliment.

It's more a convenient excuse to shoot him. Shoot first, ask questions later. They guy is scary. He might do something bad. He's on something.

In reality, the guy might be a father and have a good job and just had his car breakdown and was headed for his wallet or registration.

He didn't run. He had his hands up in the air.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

They had their guns drawn and multiple units responded, including a police helicopter.

"Police said they were responding to a call of a vehicle abandoned in the middle of the roadway."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ack-man-tulsa-prompts-investigation/90716058/

That's not a felony. There would be no reason to use the felony stop procedure.

 

[Denny Crane]

"Police said they were responding to a call of a vehicle abandoned in the middle of the roadway."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ack-man-tulsa-prompts-investigation/90716058/

That's not a felony. There would be no reason to use the felony stop procedure.

drops mic.

/thread

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It's more a convenient excuse to shoot him. Shoot first, ask questions later. They guy is scary. He might do something bad. He's on something.

In reality, the guy might be a father and have a good job and just had his car breakdown and was headed for his wallet or registration.

He didn't run. He had his hands up in the air.

It was the helicopter police who said that. The people who shot at him didn't say that. Its what they were thinking from above.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

drops mic.

/thread

Not end of thread. An abandoned vehicle could be a stolen one or one that was used in a crime that was dumped there.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

"Police said they were responding to a call of a vehicle abandoned in the middle of the roadway."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ack-man-tulsa-prompts-investigation/90716058/

That's not a felony. There would be no reason to use the felony stop procedure.

We do not know the interaction between the guy who was shot and the officers. We know they responded. He was there and it somehow escalated.

 

[Denny Crane]

Not end of thread. An abandoned vehicle could be a stolen one or one that was used in a crime that was dumped there.

And the evidenced for this "theory" is what?

None.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

And the evidenced for this "theory" is what?

None.

It was called an abandoned vehicle, not a stalled or broken down vehicle. It was also in the middle of the road, which is a bad fucking place to put it.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This is a felony stop. The police order the person to raise their hands and walk backwards towards them while the officers shield themselves. What the Tulsa police did was not a felony stop.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

This is a felony stop. The police order the person to raise their hands and walk backwards towards them while the officers shield themselves. What the Tulsa police did was not a felony stop.

It looks like it escalated to that point somehow. Except he chose to walk to his car and reach inside

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/20/us/oklahoma-tulsa-police-shooting/

(CNN)On August 16, Oklahoma twins Terence and Tiffany Crutcher celebrated their 40th birthday. Terence, a God-loving father who sang at church every week, had enrolled at a community college in Tulsa, where he hoped to earn a degree.

"I'm going to show you," Terence recently texted his sister. "I'm going to make you all proud."

He never was able to follow through on that promise.

On the night of September 16, exactly one month later, Crutcher's SUV broke down, according to his family.
After police responded to a 911 call about the vehicle, the black man found himself raising his hands high above his head. Moments later, Officer Betty Shelby fatally shot Crutcher. He was later found to be unarmed, according to authorities.

At a news conference Monday, Jordan struck a candid tone about the officer-involved shooting that left Crutcher dead.

"I'm going to tell you right here now: There was no gun on the suspect or in the suspect's vehicle," Jordan said.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

This is a felony stop. The police order the person to raise their hands and walk backwards towards them while the officers shield themselves. What the Tulsa police did was not a felony stop.

If this guy in the picture just continued to walk to his car, what do you think what would happen?

 

[Denny Crane]

If this guy in the picture just continued to walk to his car, what do you think what would happen?

Taser.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Taser.

If a cop thinks you are going for a weapon, you are going to get shot. It was probably bad judgment on the part of the female police officer, but what's new. This is why they aren't on the combat line in the army.

 

[Denny Crane]

If a cop thinks you are going for a weapon, you are going to get shot. It was probably bad judgment on the part of the female police officer, but what's new. This is why they aren't on the combat line in the army.

There was no weapon.

If they saw a weapon, then they should shoot. There was no weapon.

Taser would bring the guy to the ground so they could cuff him. That wasn't their intent.

 

[julius]

And the evidenced for this "theory" is what?

None.

The guy is black.

Also, I don't get why some people almost seem to just disagree for the sake of disagreeing, or doing so to continue their persona on here.

The cops overreacted. Plain and simple.

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you. Kill significantly more unarmed black people than unarmed white people...well, blame the victim of course.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

There was no weapon.

If they saw a weapon, then they should shoot. There was no weapon.

Taser would bring the guy to the ground so they could cuff him. That wasn't their intent.

They do not know what is inside his car. Does not matter if there was no weapon.

If they think he's going for a weapon, that's usually enough justification. He was not obeying orders and walked to the front window of his car and appeared to reach in. If he had a gun and started shooting at the officers...well, don't bring tasers to a gun fight....

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If this guy in the picture just continued to walk to his car, what do you think what would happen?

If the police would have fired they were in correct positions to fire. Other officers were not in the line of fire.

What happened in Tulsa was not proper police procedure. In this case you have one officer deploying a taser while another officer is firing their gun. That is a giant cluster fuck.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The guy is black.

Also, I don't get why some people almost seem to just disagree for the sake of disagreeing, or doing so to continue their persona on here.

The cops overreacted. Plain and simple.

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you. Kill significantly more unarmed black people than unarmed white people...well, blame the victim of course.

The thing is, in almost all of these cases we've discussed on here, when they run their legal course, I'm right.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

If the police would have fired they were in correct positions to fire. Other officers were not in the line of fire.

What happened in Tulsa was not proper police procedure. In this case you have one officer deploying a taser while another officer is firing their gun. That is a giant cluster fuck.

They were responding officers who ran to provide backup. I'm willing to guess if anything, this is more of a case of a female using bad judgment in a man's job. Combine this with a guy who does not appear to follow the officer's directions and instead walked to his car for god knows whatever reasons and reached into his window.