OT I Really Wish Neil Would've Blown It All Up

[sheed30]

We're headed for yet another season of upper mediocrity.

Utah, Denver, Phoenix, Lakers, Warriors, Clipps, probably Dallas.....

ALL BETTER THAN US!!

Right? I mean, RIGHT???

Cool story bro

 

[ABM]

Cool saga bro

FIFY

 

[tykendo]

Ainge is from Oregon - watched him play for North Eugene High School in the State Championship game at the Memorial Coliseum back in like 1976?

Hated him…until he became a great Blazer player!

how are these fighting words?

"great Blazer player" WHATTTTTTT. Survey says "X".

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

"great Blazer player" WHATTTTTTT. Survey says "X".

Another on this board that needs to learn his b-ball!

In 1992. Ainge played behind Drexler and Porter and was a key contributor to reaching the Finals. In one Finals game against the Bulls, Ainge scored 9 points in overtime - an NBA record at the time. Ainge was a great player for Portland and while only on the Blazers for two seasons, he most likely ranks in the top 50 Blazers in franchise history. He’s a winner on many levels and would be a nice replacement for Olshey! Bet he’d get along famously with Billups as well!

 

[Orion Bailey]

Another on this board that needs to learn his b-ball!

In 1992. Ainge played behind Drexler and Porter and was a key contributor to reaching the Finals. In one Finals game against the Bulls, Ainge scored 9 points in overtime - an NBA record at the time. Ainge was a great player for Portland and while only on the Blazers for two seasons, he most likely ranks in the top 50 Blazers in franchise history. He’s a winner on many levels and would be a nice replacement for Olshey! Bet he’d get along famously with Billups as well!

Id take him in a heart beat. Dudes a scrapper. and yes, very underrated player overall. He was one of those that did alot of the little things that didnt show up on stats.
I think him and Billups would work out great.

 

[THE HCP]

Kanter will be missed greatly on offense in the long regular season. He was exceptionally efficient on that end and a great injury fill in option.

Melo however no he will not be missed. Nance Simons Snell McLemore Zeller along with a few starters can provide all the benefits of Melo inefficient offense.

Melo was great for a run of games when the other starting options were Anthony Tolliver or Mario Herzonja providing absolutely nothing. The Blazers have better options now and even last season, the team didn't benefit from Melo.

None of the players you mentioned have the respect of the refs or will get calls down the stretch of tight games. Melo got us at least 3 or 4 extra points in tight 4th quarter. You won’t be able to go to any of the ones you named down the stretch. People may have not liked his game, but it’s true.

 

[STOMP]

If OLSHEY blows it up, we’re stuck with OLSHEY for another 5 years. Let the next GM come in with the mission to rebuild. Who to keep, trade, draft, etc. I don’t want OLSHEY to be the achitect of the future! No way.

At any point over the last 5 years or so I really wish Neil would've blown up

STOMP

 

[wizenheimer]

None of the players you mentioned have the respect of the refs or will get calls down the stretch of tight games. Melo got us at least 3 or 4 extra points in tight 4th quarter. You won’t be able to go to any of the ones you named down the stretch. People may have not liked his game, but it’s true.

great theory....but is it reality?

Melo in the clutch last season:



http://www.82games.com/2021/20POR14.HTM

31% FG rate; 36% eFG rate; 19 points/48 on 21 shots/48. 6 total FT's all season in the clutch

he was terrible during clutch time

 

[Orion Bailey]

great theory....but is it reality?

Melo in the clutch last season:

View attachment 40804

31% FG rate; 36% eFG rate; 19 points/48 on 21 shots/48. 6 total FT's all season in the clutch

he was terrible during clutch time

i love this clutch site you've found. Or shared.

 

[wizenheimer]

i love this clutch site you've found. Or shared.

it's a decent site for some types of stats, and presented in a easy format

it doesn't update a current season though till fairly late in the season. It's more retrospective than current

 

[Fairly-Hard]

great theory....but is it reality?

Melo in the clutch last season:

View attachment 40804

http://www.82games.com/2021/20POR14.HTM

31% FG rate; 36% eFG rate; 19 points/48 on 21 shots/48. 6 total FT's all season in the clutch

he was terrible during clutch time

Like all stats it seems you missed the parts that also matter. Essentially you have hand picked the stats. Cherry picked if you will? Basketball is a team game. He was on the floor with Lillard and CJ.
Go right to the very top. "These Stats indicate how the team performed"
49% of the minutes, The Team was +68. Offensively they were an astounding 156.2! While defensively they were a respectable 107.7. Obviously this is a net win of +48.5
Look at the Win/Loss 18-6 with a win rate of 75%

Now comes time for interpretation. You can look at this a couple ways. To me the obvious way is to say Lillard and the rest of the team were pretty good in clutch time. Melo drew attention because he was in fact Melo.
In order for this kind of stat chasing to be effective you have to pull the entire team on who was in fact on the court and what the results were. having a shooter like Melo on the floor helped his teammates get open looks.
Did Melo get the ball later in the shot clock a number of times? How many of those looks were wide open? How many times did he defer? How many times did the opponent defend well against the play called.

Lets be clear on something. Way too many people give Lillard credit for things that the team did and likewise. We listened to it all year last year. Lillard wanted Melo in the game at crunch time for a reason.

 

[wizenheimer]

Like all stats it seems you missed the parts that also matter. Essentially you have hand picked the stats. Cherry picked if you will? .

really?..."cherry-picked"?

82games.com is not my website. I didn't doctor any stat I posted. I simply took a screenshot of what the website said was Melo's production in what they defined as clutch.

I cut out the rest of your post but you mentioned Dame; and Melo playing clutch time with Dame. And how somehow that shows that Melo's impact was much more than his shitty clutch numbers. OK, let's take a "cherry-picked" look at that

first, again, Melo's clutch-time numbers:



and now, Dame's clutch numbers:



let's see, Dame scored 1.84 points/shot (while playing 91% of the minutes); Melo scored 0.93 points/shot (49% of minutes). And look at that, both players had a 75% winning rate. Apparently Melo proves that crappy efficiency doesn't matter in clutch-time. Maybe it's the head-band being a green light for no-conscience chucking

how about the rest of the Blazers (I won't post screenshots; you can go there if you want), I'll just summarize:

RoCo scored 1.64 points/shot and had a winning percentage of 74.2% (78% of minutes)
CJ scored 1.30 points/shot with an 85% winning percentage (55% of minutes)
Powell scored 1.06 points/shot with an 82% winning percentage (29% of minutes)
Nurkic scored 0.88 points/shot with a 77% winning percentage (37% of minutes)
Kanter scored 1.38 points/shot with a 60% winning percentage (35% of minutes)

a cursory glance at those number might suggest that shooting efficiency has nothing to do with winning in the clutch. But that would be a pretty illogical conclusion. Obviously, there are other factors, like defense, but the best defenders on the team had a lower winning percentage than Melo....who was a pretty crappy defender. And of course, I'm not analyzing all the numbers posted for all the players....again, feel free to do so if you think it will add context

having watched just about all the games, I'd tend to believe that most of those games came down to one or two shots. And it so happens that Portland had the best clutch-time performer in the NBA. Yeah, there were 4 other guys on the floor, but the Blazers had about the best guy in the league available to take that big shot; Somebody who was averaging nearly 2 points per FGA in the clutch. That's pretty phenomenal

looking at those numbers, my conclusion is Portland won about 3/4 of their clutch games because of Dame first, with Melo well down the list of other reasons for wins. I remember one or two games when Melo hit big shots. I remember a lot more games when he lobbed bricks and played matador defense

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

At any point over the last 5 years or so I really wish Neil would've blown up

STOMP

if things don’t pan out this season…we clean house, bring in new blood AND blow it up. It will have to be…

 

[Phatguysrule]

None of the players you mentioned have the respect of the refs or will get calls down the stretch of tight games. Melo got us at least 3 or 4 extra points in tight 4th quarter. You won’t be able to go to any of the ones you named down the stretch. People may have not liked his game, but it’s true.

But he also cost us 6 points in the same tight 4th quarter with his horrible defense...

 

[Fairly-Hard]

really?..."cherry-picked"?

82games.com is not my website. I didn't doctor any stat I posted. I simply took a screenshot of what the website said was Melo's production in what they defined as clutch.

I cut out the rest of your post but you mentioned Dame; and Melo playing clutch time with Dame. And how somehow that shows that Melo's impact was much more than his shitty clutch numbers. OK, let's take a "cherry-picked" look at that

first, again, Melo's clutch-time numbers:

View attachment 40809

and now, Dame's clutch numbers:

View attachment 40810

let's see, Dame scored 1.84 points/shot (while playing 91% of the minutes); Melo scored 0.93 points/shot (49% of minutes). And look at that, both players had a 75% winning rate. Apparently Melo proves that crappy efficiency doesn't matter in clutch-time. Maybe it's the head-band being a green light for no-conscience chucking

how about the rest of the Blazers (I won't post screenshots; you can go there if you want), I'll just summarize:

RoCo scored 1.64 points/shot and had a winning percentage of 74.2% (78% of minutes)
CJ scored 1.30 points/shot with an 85% winning percentage (55% of minutes)
Powell scored 1.06 points/shot with an 82% winning percentage (29% of minutes)
Nurkic scored 0.88 points/shot with a 77% winning percentage (37% of minutes)
Kanter scored 1.38 points/shot with a 60% winning percentage (35% of minutes)

a cursory glance at those number might suggest that shooting efficiency has nothing to do with winning in the clutch. But that would be a pretty illogical conclusion. Obviously, there are other factors, like defense, but the best defenders on the team had a lower winning percentage than Melo....who was a pretty crappy defender. And of course, I'm not analyzing all the numbers posted for all the players....again, feel free to do so if you think it will add context

having watched just about all the games, I'd tend to believe that most of those games came down to one or two shots. And it so happens that Portland had the best clutch-time performer in the NBA. Yeah, there were 4 other guys on the floor, but the Blazers had about the best guy in the league available to take that big shot; Somebody who was averaging nearly 2 points per FGA in the clutch. That's pretty phenomenal

looking at those numbers, my conclusion is Portland won about 3/4 of their clutch games because of Dame first, with Melo well down the list of other reasons for wins. I remember one or two games when Melo hit big shots. I remember a lot more games when he lobbed bricks and played matador defense

Read my post again. I was making reference to the specific stats you listed.

 

[wizenheimer]

Read my post again. I was making reference to the specific stats you listed.

I focused on some stats but did a screenshot of most of them. Not rebounding and some other minor stats

I also supplied direct links to the pages. If I was going to cherry-pick I would not have done all that

 

[riverman]

Blowing this team up with a new coaching staff and bench and Dame in his prime is dumb....you give this team 3 years minimum to see what you can do in Dame's prime and get the best vets you can....last year of Dame's contract you see whether you need to completely rebuild or not. Now it's time to find the next gear and make some noise.

 

[HailBlazers]

Seriously @ABM. Would you have traded Clyde if he wanted to stay and win a championship here?

 

[ABM]

Seriously @ABM. Would you have traded Clyde if he wanted to stay and win a championship here?

No. That said, he'd taken us to the Finals. We came so close with him.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

I focused on some stats but did a screenshot of most of them. Not rebounding and some other minor stats

I also supplied direct links to the pages. If I was going to cherry-pick I would not have done all that

My statement was that you made reference to a part of it but didn't talk about the other part which was team stats. It's why i said "Cherry Pick if you will" as in i knew you didn't directly cherry pick but indirectly it left out info. Then i made my point is all.
Melo sucked the life out of the team on defense no question but he did provide something on offense that might not show in personal stats is all I'm saying.

 

[blazerkor]

I just want to say that if you're really going to blow it up (like a total tear down and youth rebuild) you should always do so on draft day. Find the team with the right pick for the guy you want and other good young guys plus upcoming cap space and trade Dame there. Then to a lesser degree do that with everyone else except Ant and Nas. If you're just blowing it up with a retooling on the fly then we should have traded Dame for Ingram, Hayes and picks, traded CJ, RoCo and the Pelicans picks for Simmons, got some draft considerations for Nurk and kept DJJ. We still could have kept Norm at that price as our veteran leader. Ant, Norm, Ingram, Simmons, Hayes, DJJ, Nas, what we get for Nurk.

All of that fun bullshit aside, I'd rather try to keep building around Dame until he doesn't want to anymore but just do it with a lot more ambition and hey maybe we'll make a Simmons trade and show that ambition and urgency to get better.