I Think Obama Has This One (1 Viewer)

[MickZagger]

Here's some info for you, in case you didn't know:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx

Ed O.

That chart looks like the natural ebbs and flows of any Presidential approval rating chart. Not one of a President that has been a disaster like you Neo-Con's want to lead everyone to believe.

 

[julius]

Here's some info for you, in case you didn't know:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx

Ed O.

Yeah, for the most divisive president in history, thats a pretty odd graph stating the exact opposite.

 

[mook]

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html

I think Obama's popularity is really higher right now than he deserves, even though I voted for him and will vote again for him.

BTW- I love the drawing they used with George W Bush on his chart. Just busts me up.

 

[Eastoff]

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html

I think Obama's popularity is really higher right now than he deserves, even though I voted for him and will vote again for him.

BTW- I love the drawing they used with George W Bush on his chart. Just busts me up.

The Obama drawing reminds me of this:

 

[e_blazer]

Passed health care reform, ended the war in Iraq, captured Bin Laden, turned around the auto industry, the Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform, improved America's image abroad, did a lot for Education reform, boosted fuel efficiency standards, increased support for veterans, repealed 'Don't ask, Don't Tell'....

But, Republican's choose to put their hands over their ears and shout, ''lalalalallaa i can't hear you".....

Funny, but virtually everything on your list would be a black mark as far as I'm concerned.

Health care reform, per the screwy mess shoved through congress, is going to be an unmitigated disaster. There's a reason that they didn't implement the majority of the reforms until 2014 ... they didn't want the shit to hit the fan before this election.

Ended the war in Iraq...after the Bush troop surge made it possible and on the same timetable that Bush was proposing.

Captured Bin Laden ... well I thought it was our intelligence operatives and the Seals that did it, but yeah, Obama gave the go ahead as any president would have.

Turned around the auto industry ... Ha! How many of you plan on buying an American-made car in the near future? He gave costly emergency room treatment to a dying patient. How many times are tax payers supposed to bail out the US auto industry?

Dodd-Frank ... I think the jury is still out on how effective that legislation is going to be in the long run.

Boosted fuel efficiency standards ... This one cracks me up because it's a typical Democratic approach to governance. See a perceived problem, pass a law mandating a change, and then announce problem solved while clapping yourself on the back. Get back to me when these laws go into effect and people start seeing the price tags to buy under-powered cars that don't meet their needs.

Improved America's image abroad? Curious, but that doesn't seem to mesh well with what I'm seeing on my TV screen on a nightly basis. Looks to me like a good part of the world hates our guts.

Education reform? Specifics please. Same with support for veterans.

Repealed 'Don't ask, Don't Tell' ... I don't have a problem with this, but I suspect that it just took the time since Clinton instituted that policy for national mores to change to where it's become viable.

Perception really is an individual matter, I guess.

For me, this piece on CNN pretty much sums up my major reasons for not supporting Obama:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/27/opinion/bennett-dont-vote-for-obama/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

 

[barfo]

That chart looks like the natural ebbs and flows of any Presidential approval rating chart. Not one of a President that has been a disaster like you Neo-Con's want to lead everyone to believe.

It's mostly interesting for how flat it is. Many other presidents had much bigger swings.

Guess Romney was right. Us 47% lazy victims are going to approve of Obama no matter what.

barfo

 

[maxiep]

This debate and who wins or loses will not come down to talking points.

Romney has the most to win and lose during these debates. Everyone has had exposure to Obama and have preconceived ideas of what he is all about. Many have had little exposure to Romney. Forget records, can Romney come out of this debate as likeable that the voter feels understands them.

If he can do that, he wins the debate and is back in the race. If he comes across as the foot in the mouth big business guy who doesn't care about 47% of the people, he has no chance.

I don't think his best strategy is to be "likable"; Obama is already viewed as the nice guy of this campaign. I think Romney needs to demonstrate how much more he understands about the economy than Obama, and how Obama is over his head in his current job. He shouldn't worry how he comes across. I think he needs to demonstrate toughness rather than kindness.

 

[Ed O]

That chart looks like the natural ebbs and flows of any Presidential approval rating chart. Not one of a President that has been a disaster like you Neo-Con's want to lead everyone to believe.

REALLY?

Look at the numbers when he took office and what they are now.

You think that's normal?

Ed O.

 

[maxiep]

Uh oh. Now MaxieP's getting real serious in his Obama hate....

When in reality he was equally hating on him 4 years ago before he was ever elected. Its like spin cycle. The same guys that hated on Obama 4 years ago on this board when he was going against McCain are the same 4 or 5 guys who hate on him now.

If his approval rating is as bad as the select few Neo-Con's around here want you to believe he wouldn't be up in the polls with 5 weeks to go before the election.

The fact of the matter is, Obama has done several good things for the country despite taking over the Titanic about 4 years ago. This in the face of a GOP that never wanted to see him succeed to begin with.

Its why politics these days is disgusting, too much money and pride involved to care about whats best for the country instead of toeing the party line.

I don't hate him. He's a likable enough guy, although a little pompous and arrogant (yes, I understand the irony given my posting style). I simply disagree with his policy prescriptions. I would have happily been proven wrong and had his command and control demand-side approach work if it meant our economy was healthy. However, we've borrowed another $6T with nothing to show for it. Our structural problems are much worse now than they were four years ago.

It is possible to disagree with someone without villifying them.

 

[Ed O]

Yeah, for the most divisive president in history, thats a pretty odd graph stating the exact opposite.

It's not relevant to the most divisive ever. It's relevant to (if approval is to be used as a measure of competence) how people have perceived his competence over time.

Divisiveness is measured by looking at strong approval and strong disapproval rates. I don't have any recent charts/data showing that, but he's definitely divisive on that score.

Ed O.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

REALLY?

Look at the numbers when he took office and what they are now.

You think that's normal?

Ed O.

 

[MickZagger]

It's not relevant to the most divisive ever. It's relevant to (if approval is to be used as a measure of competence) how people have perceived his competence over time.

Divisiveness is measured by looking at strong approval and strong disapproval rates. I don't have any recent charts/data showing that, but he's definitely divisive on that score.

Ed O.

Oh, well thanks for clarifying that.

 

[MickZagger]

Hey now, lets leave Bush out of this!!!!

Unless of course it suits your argument. The same people on this board that can't stand Obama, were Bush apologists. Strange how that works.

 

[barfo]

REALLY?

Look at the numbers when he took office and what they are now.

You think that's normal?

Ed O.

He's gone from 65 to 50. That doesn't seem so bad compared to past presidents. W went from high 80s to high 20s. Papa Bush went from mid 80s to mid 30s. Carter went from 70 to 30. In fact the only presidents with smaller drops in approval are Clinton, Reagan, Ford, and Ike.

barfo

 

[3RA1N1AC]

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html

shows that obamas decline in approval is the rule, not the exception, pretty much only clinton has had an upward climb

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I don't think his best strategy is to be "likable"; Obama is already viewed as the nice guy of this campaign. I think Romney needs to demonstrate how much more he understands about the economy than Obama, and how Obama is over his head in his current job. He shouldn't worry how he comes across. I think he needs to demonstrate toughness rather than kindness.

Interesting. I see what you are saying, but I think a lot of people who don't know Romney fear what he might to do people of little wealth. The tough guy image might just reinforce that he is a heartless good old boy that only cares about big business.

I understand the economy is Romney's best bet to get votes. But charisma is a factor for many voters. I actually can see him being better on the economy, I have a hard time seeing him being the face of the US and even harder time voting for a person you I don't really like.

But even thinking all this, I wish people would stop and listen to what he has to say. He might actually be able to help the economy and be a much nicer person than he comes across as.

 

[Ed O]

He's gone from 65 to 50. That doesn't seem so bad compared to past presidents. W went from high 80s to high 20s. Papa Bush went from mid 80s to mid 30s. Carter went from 70 to 30. In fact the only presidents with smaller drops in approval are Clinton, Reagan, Ford, and Ike.

Bush wasn't elected with anything resembling that level of approval.

Ed O.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Funny, but virtually everything on your list would be a black mark as far as I'm concerned.

Health care reform, per the screwy mess shoved through congress, is going to be an unmitigated disaster. There's a reason that they didn't implement the majority of the reforms until 2014 ... they didn't want the shit to hit the fan before this election.

Ended the war in Iraq...after the Bush troop surge made it possible and on the same timetable that Bush was proposing.

Captured Bin Laden ... well I thought it was our intelligence operatives and the Seals that did it, but yeah, Obama gave the go ahead as any president would have.

Turned around the auto industry ... Ha! How many of you plan on buying an American-made car in the near future? He gave costly emergency room treatment to a dying patient. How many times are tax payers supposed to bail out the US auto industry?

Dodd-Frank ... I think the jury is still out on how effective that legislation is going to be in the long run.

Boosted fuel efficiency standards ... This one cracks me up because it's a typical Democratic approach to governance. See a perceived problem, pass a law mandating a change, and then announce problem solved while clapping yourself on the back. Get back to me when these laws go into effect and people start seeing the price tags to buy under-powered cars that don't meet their needs.

Improved America's image abroad? Curious, but that doesn't seem to mesh well with what I'm seeing on my TV screen on a nightly basis. Looks to me like a good part of the world hates our guts.

Education reform? Specifics please. Same with support for veterans.

Repealed 'Don't ask, Don't Tell' ... I don't have a problem with this, but I suspect that it just took the time since Clinton instituted that policy for national mores to change to where it's become viable.

Perception really is an individual matter, I guess.

For me, this piece on CNN pretty much sums up my major reasons for not supporting Obama:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/27/opinion/bennett-dont-vote-for-obama/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Perception really is indivdual. Obama gets no credit from you for Bin Laden as it is intelligence and the seals that did that and any president would give the call to attackin Pakistan, but apparently they are Bush's troops that made the surge and kept on the timetable when it comes to Iraq.

 

[MickZagger]

Funny, but virtually everything on your list would be a black mark as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not going to go point for point with you because its fruitless as we have different political points of view, but the Health Care reform has already been huge to me. In 2010 I racked up hundreds of thousand in medical bills while in the hospital, thanks to health care reform I had dual coverage and paid very little out of pocket.

Presidents get credit for what happens under their watch. As much as it might pain an Obama hater to admit, years from now when we look back on the Obama presidency it will without a doubt be one of his many highlights.

As far as education reform, look up 'Race to the Top'.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Bush wasn't elected with anything resembling that level of approval.

Ed O.



Ed O.

you are right, obama was historically and unprecedentedly popular coming into office, and we should hold that against him

i mean he was almost as high as bush after 9/11 even! :MARIS61:

 

[MickZagger]

This election cycle is starting to remind me of a certain Cat Stevens song.

 

[Ed O]

you are right, obama was historically and unprecedentedly popular coming into office, and we should hold that against him

If we are looking at whether many people have changed their opinions of him based on his job performance, then, yes. If he'd entered with, say, a 52% job approval rating and was sitting at 46 or 50, then it would be basically unchanged. The guy, though, has seen a dip of about 20 points since he started. (Along with an increase in 32% of disapproval rating, although that's not what I'm interested in here.)

i mean he was almost as high as bush after 9/11 even! :MARIS61:

I don't understand why this is relevant to voters changing their mind about how they voted for a candidate the first time.

Ed O.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

so what are you saying obamas approval rating was when he took office? just want to make sure we are using the same numbers

 

[maxiep]

His approval rating is incredible considering what a failure his presidency has been. Even after four years of evidence to the contrary, people still want to believe in him.

It's one of the things that disappoints me most about him. All he does is bitch about what a bad hand he was dealt. Are you kidding me? Has there ever been a President who has been elected with more goodwill? With more people wanting him to succeed? He could have been the most unifying president in this Nation's history. Instead, he squandered the embarrassment of riches he was given.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Instead, he squandered the embarrassment of riches he was given.

wait what?

 

[maxiep]

I'm not going to go point for point with you because its fruitless as we have different political points of view, but the Health Care reform has already been huge to me. In 2010 I racked up hundreds of thousand in medical bills while in the hospital, thanks to health care reform I had dual coverage and paid very little out of pocket.

Presidents get credit for what happens under their watch. As much as it might pain an Obama hater to admit, years from now when we look back on the Obama presidency it will without a doubt be one of his many highlights.

As far as education reform, look up 'Race to the Top'.

I think your recovery was a wonderful thing. While I'm happy you didn't have to pay much for your medical issue, I'm more concerned that there is a healthcare system that can provide others with the care you received. Obamacare provides incentives that will make our healthcare system worse, less efficient and more expensive.

 

[julius]

This election cycle is starting to remind me of a certain Cat Stevens song.

Which one?
This one?
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Or this one?
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or maybe this one?
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or?
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or?
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or?
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side note, that last song was my moms favorite song when I was a kid. played at her funeral.

 

[e_blazer]

Perception really is indivdual. Obama gets no credit from you for Bin Laden as it is intelligence and the seals that did that and any president would give the call to attackin Pakistan, but apparently they are Bush's troops that made the surge and kept on the timetable when it comes to Iraq.

The difference in the case of the surge is that it was hugely unpopular when Bush supported ite. It was his policy that finally broke the back of the opposition in Iraq. Obama simply carried out a withdrawal plan that was in line with what Bush was proposing. Getting Bin Laden is something that our government, intelligence operatives, and armed services have had as a primary goal since 911. All of that came to fruition under Obama's watch and I give him credit for having the nerve to pull the trigger on an operation that could have blown up in his face. That said, as badly as we wanted him and as actionable as the intelligence was, I think any president worth his salt would have done the same thing.

 

[e_blazer]

I think your recovery was a wonderful thing. While I'm happy you didn't have to pay much for your medical issue, I'm more concerned that there is a healthcare system that can provide others with the care you received. Obamacare provides incentives that will make our healthcare system worse, less efficient and more expensive.

Exactly. While it's great for Mick that it worked out to his advantage, I have little hope that there won't be more losers than winners under this system.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

That said, as badly as we wanted him and as actionable as the intelligence was, I think any president worth his salt would have done the same thing.

didnt bush have them not pursue osama into pakistan and he got away?

not worth his salt