I think the Rockets will knock us from the 8 seed with that deal.

[Minstrel]

Raef Lafentz had been called the greatest trade chip in history by KP on more than one occasion last year. Instead of using it, we sat and did nothing.

Actually, Portland did use it. Portland used it the same way a team trading for it would have attempted to use it: let it expire and use the cap space to sign a good free agent.

It sounds more like you're angry at being fooled by Pritchard's sales pitch. If you really believed that RLEC was "the greatest trading chip in history," then I can see why you're still bitter.

 

[andalusian]

Evans' rise this year is similar to Rose's or Love's last year. By your logic, shouldn't Hinrich and/or Jefferson have been similarly available last year? Wouldn't either of them have been of value to us?

If we have seen anything from this year's performance of Hinrich/Jefferson - it is that we are lucky KP did not trade for them. Both fell off the wagon as far as production is concerned.

Maybe, just maybe, KP meant it when he said that the best trades he had were the ones he did not make...

I was a big proponent of Hinrich - especially for his defensive ability - but he has regressed even more offensively this year. R-Jeff is an even bigger drop - we all wondered if he had anything he could contribute if he was a 3rd or 4th option - and what he has done for the Spurs proves that the answer is - very little.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If we have seen anything from this year's performance of Hinrich/Jefferson - it is that we are lucky KP did not trade for them. Both fell off the wagon as far as production is concerned.

Maybe, just maybe, KP meant it when he said that the best trades he had were the ones he did not make...

I was a big proponent of Hinrich - especially for his defensive ability - but he has regressed even more offensively this year. R-Jeff is an even bigger drop - we all wondered if he had anything he could contribute if he was a 3rd or 4th option - and what he has done for the Spurs proves that the answer is - very little.

But how much of their regression has been due to a reduced role resulting from the emergence and increased prominence of Rose/Love? Who knows how Hinrich/Jefferson would be playing if they were playing in a different situation.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I said a similar deal, not this deal.


Raef Lafentz had been called the greatest trade chip in history by KP on more than one occasion last year. Instead of using it, we sat and did nothing. Instead of using Blake and Outlaw's brilliantly constructed contracts, we sat and did nothing.

I agree with some of that. KP had some assets at the trade deadline last year and didn't use it. Instead he decided to use it in the free agent market which was sort of a mess this last summer.

But look at the difference in trade activity this year and last year . . . I don't think one can assume that expiring contracts had the lure they do this year or that as many opportunities existed last year.

But I realize now I am the one speculating . . . basing it on the differnce in trading activity from last year to this year. I can't remember when was the last timethere was this much activity at the trade deadline. There must have been another year like this, but I think of trade deadlines as being known for being anti-climatic where a couple of minor trades take place.

 

[Tince]

I love how people gloss over the fact that we got our starting PG for RLEC.

 

[donkiez]

But how much of their regression has been due to a reduced role resulting from the emergence and increased prominence of Rose/Love? Who knows how Hinrich/Jefferson would be playing if they were playing in a different situation.

if's and whats.... what IF they came here and sucked even harder?

As a NBA GM or coach you can't make everyone happy, and there are some people who are happy being unhappy. I got a huge kick out of reading the San Antonio forum after we beat them, they had fans calling for Pop's head and making every complaint about him that I've read about Nate.

You got to take things as they are, and all things considered i think our team has done a good job so far this season.

 

[andalusian]

But how much of their regression has been due to a reduced role resulting from the emergence and increased prominence of Rose/Love? Who knows how Hinrich/Jefferson would be playing if they were playing in a different situation.

Hinrich played with Rose last year (and Rose was better most of last year, it took Rose a long while to get to last year's level of performance this year).

You are talking about the wrong Jefferson. Al Jefferson was not for sale last year, Richard Jefferson was - and luckily KP did not get him - because he proved, when moving to a new environment where his role would be the same as it is on the Blazers (3rd or 4th option) that he is just bad.

In other words, I think KP's analysis was spot on on these guys - and he was smart not to trade for them. I am far from Miller's biggest fan - but he is a much better option than either R-Jeff or Hinrich.

We still do not know if Hinrich would have thrived in another environment - where he is playing as a super-deluxe Steve Blake next to Roy - this might have worked - but it is just speculation. KP did not trade for him, and so far, this year, Hinrich regressed.

 

[hasoos]

Keep drinking that kool aid. What flavor is it today?

Acid Flavored. And for some reason, all I can see is a kaleidoscope of colors!

 

[DaRizzle]

Mixum....where were all your posts right after the Camby trade?!? I saw nothing! I know you have the creativity to figure out a way to be pissed at that trade. Dont K-Puss out cause it got a lil harder to talk trash!

 

[MIXUM]

i liked the camby trade! however i still feel the same about kpee. he still needs to cut the cord from half the players. aka rudy, bayless, etc and bring back a major player like an iggy.

but he got us what we needed in camby. next year the west will be beyond brutal. his little culture speeches wont cut it.

 

[DaRizzle]

i liked the camby trade!

your game is slippin

 

[BlazerBenner]

I think Mixum will start 20 stupid threads before February ends.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You are talking about the wrong Jefferson.

Well, considering I was the one who brought up "Jefferson" in the first place, I imagine I knew who I was talking about when I mentioned him. Consider the context:

Evans' rise this year is similar to Rose's or Love's last year. By your logic, shouldn't Hinrich and/or Jefferson have been similarly available last year?

My point was that if Evans made a previously untouchable Kevin Martin available, shouldn't Love have made a previously untouchable Al Jefferson available? Aren't they analagous situations?

 

[DaRizzle]

I think Mixum will start 20 stupid threads before February ends.

and when you mean stupid you mean 20 spot on threads you just dont wanna admit to right?

 

[MIXUM]

patience mr rizzle... patience lol

a bayless tirade is coming if he doesnt get his shit together. he has been dreadful. the jumper looks as bad as sergios. im still shocked nate let him take the game winner vs the hornets a few weeks ago.

 

[drexlersdad]

as much as i hate to admit it, houston scored big time here.

those picks might be gold, just like the curry trade. how great will it be if nobody signs there and they suck ass and have to give up 3 straight picks?

what i find hard to believe is that new york couldnt find anyone to take jeffries without having to add so much. he is having a decent year. this is where i wish portland had some random expirings or cap room still....

 

[andalusian]

Well, considering I was the one who brought up "Jefferson" in the first place, I imagine I knew who I was talking about when I mentioned him. Consider the context:

My point was that if Evans made a previously untouchable Kevin Martin available, shouldn't Love have made a previously untouchable Al Jefferson available? Aren't they analagous situations?

I did not think it was much relevant to the discussion since Al Jefferson was not available for trade last year - but Richard Jefferson was. I just thought that the Love reference was (like the Rose reference) in regard to Evans.

The T-Pups were actually playing fantastic basketball last season in January when both Love and Al-Jeff were playing together (unlike Evans/Martin together), they started going down when Al-Jeff was wounded. I did not really expect anyone to trade for Jefferson who the T-Pups were not interested in trading and was wounded - so I made the mental jump to consider R-Jeff since he was rumored to be a target and many people were upset when we did not trade for him.

So, I guess that I am wrong in referring to R-Jeff - but in the grand scheme of things - this makes your question even more hypothetical.

 

[tlongII]

I said a similar deal, not this deal.


Raef Lafentz had been called the greatest trade chip in history by KP on more than one occasion last year. Instead of using it, we sat and did nothing. Instead of using Blake and Outlaw's brilliantly constructed contracts, we sat and did nothing.

Blake and Outlaw played great last year. We won 52 games, remember? Why would we have been pre-disposed to trade them?

 

[DaRizzle]

patience mr rizzle... patience lol

a bayless tirade is coming if he doesnt get his shit together. he has been dreadful. the jumper looks as bad as sergios. im still shocked nate let him take the game winner vs the hornets a few weeks ago.

from you...or everybody here?

 

[MIXUM]

from me.... and the posters who arent homers

 

[hasoos]

I did not think it was much relevant to the discussion since Al Jefferson was not available for trade last year - but Richard Jefferson was. I just thought that the Love reference was (like the Rose reference) in regard to Evans.

The T-Pups were actually playing fantastic basketball last season in January when both Love and Al-Jeff were playing together (unlike Evans/Martin together), they started going down when Al-Jeff was wounded. I did not really expect anyone to trade for Jefferson who the T-Pups were not interested in trading and was wounded - so I made the mental jump to consider R-Jeff since he was rumored to be a target and many people were upset when we did not trade for him.

So, I guess that I am wrong in referring to R-Jeff - but in the grand scheme of things - this makes your question even more hypothetical.

So if they traded RJ to the Timberwolves, then we could call them "The Jefferson's"?

I can just see RJ now after good play exclaiming "DYNOMITE" with some funky body language.

Hopefully there are a few people here who are old enough to remember that show...

 

[BlazerBenner]

and when you mean stupid you mean 20 spot on threads you just dont wanna admit to right?

No. I mean stupid like the kid in your icon.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think Mixum will start 20 stupid threads before February ends.

And all of them will end like this for him...

 

[MickZagger]

We had offers from teams for Raef.

Carter and 2 #1's is the offer that has not been confirmed as more than a rumor by different newspapers. Absolutely horrible we didn't take that

Carter is a beaten down has-been and plays the same position as our best player. Kpee is a genius for not doing that.

 

[THE HCP]

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[GoBlazersGo]

And all of them will end like this for him...

I don't think I've ever actually LOL'd like that before, while reading these forums--it's a damn good thing I wasn't taking a drink of some sort of beverage!

I guess this dude didn't hear the expression "Shit or get off the pot!" correctly--as, for whatever the reason, he decided to get off of said pot, shit, and then run a marathon! I mean, I've heard of doin' "The Stanky Leg" and all... but, damn... do you really gotta go and defacate in your shorts to prove how "stanky" you really are? During a marathon, no less?

 

[ehizzy3]

Lmao that is embarassing

 

[oldguy]

and when you mean stupid you mean 20 spot on threads you just dont wanna admit to right?

OK Rizz. Link us to THREE spot-on threads by MIXUM that we don't want to admit to. The only condition is that they have to be threads where he didn't contradict himself (or reality) this season. Should be a piece of cake, right?

MIXUM, Mr. Consistency.

Go Blazers

 

[THE HCP]

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