I want it to be noted that I was against trading Ant Simmons....

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Before he's traded by this loser organization and becomes better than Lillard as early as next season while also being a decade younger, in what will be remembered as just one of many boneheaded moves this team has done, I want it to be fully noted that I wanted us to keep Ant and trade Lillard
 
Look at how many teams won a title lead by a player older than Lillard. Its almost unheard of, only happened 4 times with MJ LeBron Wilt.

Time to move on from building a team primarily around Dame. If he wants to stay here then fine, but no don't give up a 23 year old Ant for that doomed to fail attempt to win now with an aging Dame.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Look at how many teams won a title lead by a player older than Lillard. Its almost unheard of, only happened 4 times with MJ LeBron Wilt.
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That part I agree with. And there is a BIG difference between those players and Dame not only in talent, but in size. It is just very rare that players of Dame's size lead a team to a title. Add in the type of game Dame plays, and it's nearly non-existent.

Again, it doesn't diminish his talent, or how good he has been. It's just that someone of his size with that style of game as the best player leading a team to a title at that age.... total outlier.
 
On top of what has been said, it can be just as difficult to find a third/fourth option as it is to find a first/second option.

Simons is a third and fourth option type player. Realistically, he is probably current Jalen Brunson tier when he hits his peak.

The hope is that Sharpe is #1 and the 3rd pick yields a reliable #2.

Perhaps if the Blazers acquire Scoot, they can trade Simons away for a wing who can consistently be the third/fourth option.

But for now, I won't discount Simons, either. His contract is good and his talent isn't as common as people would think.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Look at how many teams won a title lead by a player older than Lillard. Its almost unheard of, only happened 4 times with MJ LeBron Wilt.
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Not that it really detracts from your overall point, but I'd add at least a couple more all timers to your list. From just 2 years back, Curry was older then Lillard will be and Kareem was pretty damn dominant in 1984-5 at age 38. Both had tremendous seasons earning all league honors and placing among the regular season MVPs before winning finals MVPs.

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If management sees Sharpe as ready for a bigger role, he should start at 2 guard. I don't see that as an indictment of Simons talent so much as that he's a poor fit next to Lillard especially defensively where neither are big enough to effectively guard wings. Many have pointed to this obvious fact for a while now. However the 6th man role including leading the attack while Dame rests would be great for him and the team IMO. If the team is to stick with Dame as it's lead, it's silly to think he's not going to fade physically in the coming years needing his minutes curtailed and more rest management. Potentially trading Ant to address their frontcourt issues is a little bit of robbing Peter to pay Paul

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STOMP said:
Not that it really detracts from your overall point, but I'd add at least a couple more all timers to your list. From just 2 years back, Curry was older then Lillard will be and Kareem was pretty damn dominant in 1984-5 at age 38. Both had tremendous seasons earning all league honors and placing among the regular season MVPs before winning finals MVPs.

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I thought there were a couple more as well, but it even more so, it establishes how rare it is and only 1 player was under 6'6".....the greatest shooter in the NBA who excels both with the ball in his hands AND playing off ball. That doesn't bode well for our local hero no matter how much we like him and are vested in him. If the goal is a championship, history, precedence, and almost every other factor tells us this later career build is not the way to go. If it is just to enjoy a few more years of mediocrity, even though that level may be improved mediocrity, then that is quite likely what we will get.

For fans that enjoy that, that is certainly their prerogative. For those that want more, I can certainly understand where they are coming from. This is rated as the best/deepest Draft in years and we have the highest pick since 2007. Giving that asset away for the opportunity to likely be boat raced by the Nuggets for the next couple of years seems not a very fruitful path.
 
STOMP said:
If management sees Sharpe as ready for a bigger role, he should start at 2 guard. I don't see that as an indictment of Simons talent so much as that he's a poor fit next to Lillard especially defensively where neither are big enough to effectively guard wings. Many have pointed to this obvious fact for a while now. However the 6th man role including leading the attack while Dame rests would be great for him and the team IMO. If the team is to stick with Dame as it's lead, it's silly to think he's not going to fade physically in the coming years needing his minutes curtailed and more rest management. Potentially trading Ant to address their frontcourt issues is a little bit of robbing Peter to pay Paul

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Yeah I've always thought of Simons as Lillard's replacement. There is room for both with the contract Simons is on.
 
I wonder how long it'll be before someone purposely makes a thread saying they "Want it to be noted that I was against trading Joseph Nurwich"

@THE HCP ,can we depend on you?
 
Why do we need to know this or why should we care?
 
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Sloth said:
Why do we need to know this or why should we care?
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Well it IS a blazer forum and this is a blazer related topic.

I think the reason why the kids stay away from this place is because we’re a bunch of old curmudgeons and for some reason most of you like to pour all news into mega threads. Reddit is much much more popular than this site with the youngins.
 
BassPlaya said:
I am happy.

Happy because I have never signed in to a sports discussion board to start controversial threads.
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Clearly you haven't lived.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Well it IS a blazer forum and this is a blazer related topic.

I think the reason why the kids stay away from this place is because we’re a bunch of old curmudgeons and for some reason most of you like to pour all news into mega threads. Reddit is much much more popular than this site with the youngins.
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Well I guess yeah it is Blazer related, but not really a great one for discussion. And friend I am 36 years old so do not really consider myself a youngin as you put it; though I still do get carded when I buy alcohol but that's more down to my good looks haha.

And Reddit is a cesspool.
 
Sloth said:
Well I guess yeah it is Blazer related, but not really a great one for discussion. And friend I am 36 years old so do not really consider myself a youngin as you put it; though I still do get carded when I buy alcohol but that's more down to my good looks haha.

And Reddit is a cesspool.
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Yeah, being compared to Reddit is not necessarily something to yearn for.
 
I really like Dame but his contract can hold us up to get really good players in here to play beside him. He might be his own worse enemy not on the floor but his huge contract. Yes the way salaries are structured in this league and with the salary cap with his his contract in a management that's don't want to pay over the cap it's really ties the GM hands of he can actually do. There teams careless how much they dole out to try to get the ring but Portland now days isn't that team. As much I like Dame it's might be time to move on from him and get quality players back that has short contracts. So basically we need to start over with the youth movement.
 
I want it to be noted that I'm all for trading Ant and Nas and have been for the last two seasons. Also no matter what his age is...Ant can't tie Dame's shoes and under Ant's leadership we tanked twice when Dame was out injured. Ant needs to go to Orlando.
 
I do think that Ant is above the Poole/Herro comparisons he is often comped to, and he will get better on defense to the point where I would not be surprised if his next contract is also above $100 million.

I still think we have to trade him because of Dame, but he is not just salary filler imo and he should be valued as someone who could fetch 1-2 firsts in any deal we include him in for #3.

 
Freshtown said:
I do think that Ant is above the Poole/Herro comparisons he is often comped to, and he will get better on defense to the point where I would not be surprised if his next contract is also above $100 million.

I still think we have to trade him because of Dame, but he is not just salary filler imo and he should be valued as someone who could fetch 1-2 firsts in any deal we include him in for #3.

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Under Ant's leadership we were bottom in defense both seasons. Ant is not a great defender and probably never will be. He doesn't get stops.
 
BlazerMoneyMaker said:
I want it to be noted that I was against trading Ant Simmons....
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I guess if we're going on record about Anfernee Simons (which I think is what the OP was trying to do) I want it to be noted that I want Ant traded, not dumped but traded for someone with comparable value that actually fits on this roster. Dame and Ant suck together. They are terrible on defense and they make each other worse on offense. The fact that after six seasons of watching the same thing with CJ (I know Ant and CJ are very different it just so happens that they both are terrible in the back court with Dame) I cannot believe that there are so many supposed fans in this forum that want to keep rolling with that awful pairing.
 
riverman said:
I want it to be noted that I'm all for trading Ant and Nas and have been for the last two seasons. Also no matter what his age is...Ant can't tie Dame's shoes and under Ant's leadership we tanked twice when Dame was out injured. Ant needs to go to Orlando.
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Since the goal after Dame went out was to tank, not sure that can be counted against him.

In the last 4 seasons, we are 137-173 in the last 4 seasons with a grand total of 3 Playoff game wins and 0 Playoff series wins. Not sure that is the best direction to try to build around to be honest.
 
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