I want it to be noted that I was against trading Ant Simmons....

[SharpesTriumph]

Sorry, you don't know what you are talking about. Nbd.

Thank you, I appreciate you putting my "uneducated take" in its place with such a convincing educated factual and logical reply.

 

[wizenheimer]

Thank you, I appreciate you putting my "uneducated take" in its place with such a convincing educated factual and logical reply.

I've definitely noticed that when you're disagreeing with me you're definitely wrong

 

[e_blazer]

Wouldn’t it have been more concise to have made the thread title, “Trading Ant Simmons (sic) is Anathema to Me”?

 

[tykendo]

That post reminds me of something real funny at work. I started losing my hair in my late 20's. Never one to try to be anything I'm not....started shaving my head the next day. Got a coworker who is about 10 years younger than me used to nonstop crack on me about "not having hair" (as if that's something to judge somebody by)..... I used to crack back and say it happens to all of us FAMS. This dude is going bald and trying to hold on to every last scrap. I love it.

Not everyone looks good bald. I saw the shape of my head when i got buzzed entering the service. Future egghead Uncle Fester. They can do some amazing things today with transplanting hair. Only it's too damn expensive. Like teeth. And housing. What a drag it is getting old. Unless you have money, then you can take shwing pills and have babies in your 80's.

 

[Stevenson]

Incorrect.

Dirk wasnt older than Dame.

Duncan was much younger for 4 of his 5 championships, the final one had Manu and Ginobili as well as Kawhi get MVP so I wouldn't consider Duncan leading the team to that title.

Jerry West wasn't older.

Russell your possibly correct 1 of his 12 rings was when he was older than Dame, although I'm not sure he was considered the leader of that team in his final season.

Kareem was I believe the 4th name.

Curry was the same age as Dame, so he wasn't older when winning a title.

Dirk was 33.
West was 35
Duncan was 38
Kareem was 40.

Like I said....

 

[TBpup]

Dirk was 33.
West was 35
Duncan was 38
Kareem was 40.

Like I said....

To be fair, I believe he was referring to "leaders". Those guys all won titles, but were they the leaders of those teams at that point of their careers? Magic was the leader for Kareem by that point. TP and Kawhi were the ones winning Finals MVPs at the end, and I'm way too young to remember who was on West's late career title teams.

Dirk was for sure the leader of his, but again, the guys that were leaders that late in life....none of them were under 6'6".

 

[wizenheimer]

so the restrictive template for a championship has 2 components: age and being over 6'6.

I know another restrictive template was a championship team needed 2 all-stars on the roster. Of course, Denver just adjusted the parameters of that template

 

[blazerkor]

To be fair, I believe he was referring to "leaders". Those guys all won titles, but were they the leaders of those teams at that point of their careers? Magic was the leader for Kareem by that point. TP and Kawhi were the ones winning Finals MVPs at the end, and I'm way too young to remember who was on West's late career title teams.

Dirk was for sure the leader of his, but again, the guys that were leaders that late in life....none of them were under 6'6".

Maybe Dame isn't the "leader" if we get Zion and he is healthy Zion will likely get more first team votes than Dame... Dame will likely be 1b like Kareem. LeBron winning the title at 35 seems to be overlooked.

 

[blazerkor]

so the restrictive template for a championship has 2 components: age and being over 6'6.

I know another restrictive template was a championship team needed 2 all-stars on the roster. Of course, Denver just adjusted the parameters of that template

It's all bullshit. If Dame is playing at the level he was playing at this last year and has a good to great supporting cast around him, he can easily be the best player on a championship team. Getting that good to great supporting cast won't be easy but that has nothing to do with Dame's age or height.

 

[wizenheimer]

It's all bullshit. If Dame is playing at the level he was playing at this last year and has a good to great supporting cast around him, he can easily be the best player on a championship team. Getting that good to great supporting cast won't be easy but that has nothing to do with Dame's age or height.

I know it's bullshit

the 'trade-Dame' people will always come up with another reason why keeping Dame won't work

 

[Hoopguru]

so the restrictive template for a championship has 2 components: age and being over 6'6.

I think Denver proved you didn't need to live and die by the three ball, but have some length in the post. Im thing the small ball template is losing its appeal.

 

[Whyachi]

I want it noted that mayonnaise should never be put on hamburgers. It’s fucking disgusting.

there's a workaround here. If you cook the burger in BBQ sauce, then add light mayo to a toasted bun, it ends up becoming quite tasty.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I want it noted that mayonnaise should never be put on hamburgers. It’s fucking disgusting.

Mayonnaise is the Lords condiment. It’s been a while since I studied it, but I believe that’s in Song of Solomon

 

[TBpup]

so the restrictive template for a championship has 2 components: age and being over 6'6.

I know another restrictive template was a championship team needed 2 all-stars on the roster. Of course, Denver just adjusted the parameters of that template

For the vast vast vast vast vast majority of NBA title winning teams, yes, the leader is 6'6" and over and under 33. Even for the ones over age 33, they are all over 6'6".

 

[SharpesTriumph]

To be fair, I believe he was referring to "leaders". Those guys all won titles, but were they the leaders of those teams at that point of their careers? Magic was the leader for Kareem by that point. TP and Kawhi were the ones winning Finals MVPs at the end, and I'm way too young to remember who was on West's late career title teams.

Dirk was for sure the leader of his, but again, the guys that were leaders that late in life....none of them were under 6'6".

Yes exactly. I said a star leading his team to a title, as nobody is saying we need to bring in a new all NBA first team player to make the Blazers his team, and move Dame back to play a robin supporting role. Dirk and Steph were the same age as Dame, thus they were not older than Dame. So we have one season, this year, to acquire all the talent to win with Dame. Are any of the trades shipping out #3 getting us a title this season?

After that point the only time a player older than Dame lead a team to a title was MJ LBJ Wilt Kareem. It's crazy that Kobe was many years younger when he won his 5th and final ring.

Initially when I found this research it was looking more at title winning PGs. But seeing these age stats really had me revisit the viability of winning a title with Dame leading the way. There's no examples of it happening outside those top5 all time NBA greats. Doesn't sound like a smart strategy if you look objectively at the best path for the Blazers chance to build a contender.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Maybe Dame isn't the "leader" if we get Zion and he is healthy Zion will likely get more first team votes than Dame... Dame will likely be 1b like Kareem. LeBron winning the title at 35 seems to be overlooked.

Kareem wasn't overlooked, him Wilt MJ LBJ are the 4 players older than Dame to lead a team to a title. That's it.

Yeah if Zion hits maybe he could be the leader of the Blazers being a contender. It's a lot of risk the whole thing is a disaster, but that move does have title winning upside unlike these Siakam Porzingis Ayton type of ideas.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

It's all bullshit. If Dame is playing at the level he was playing at this last year and has a good to great supporting cast around him, he can easily be the best player on a championship team. Getting that good to great supporting cast won't be easy but that has nothing to do with Dame's age or height.

Maybe it could happen, it's just extremely rare at Dames age. I said we have one year this season starting in a few months to do it, after which the sample size becomes only 4 players who have done it in NBA history in MJ LBJ Wilt Kareem. Could Dame jump into that group in 2025 or later? Maybe but I find it extremely unlikely, it's much more likely we get a title building around a new younger core even if that is very unlikely, there's many dozens of examples of it happening.

So Cronin's timeline to build a contender is now, or move on and rebuild. That's it.

 

[STOMP]

Kareem was I believe the 4th name.

Curry was the same age as Dame, so he wasn't older when winning a title.

Incorrect. Kareem wasn't listed and Curry was older then Dame 2 years ago when he last won a title.

Maybe it could happen, it's just extremely rare at Dames age.

obviously completely true

STOMP

 

[blazerkor]

Maybe it could happen, it's just extremely rare at Dames age. I said we have one year this season starting in a few months to do it, after which the sample size becomes only 4 players who have done it in NBA history in MJ LBJ Wilt Kareem. Could Dame jump into that group in 2025 or later? Maybe but I find it extremely unlikely, it's much more likely we get a title building around a new younger core even if that is very unlikely, there's many dozens of examples of it happening.

So Cronin's timeline to build a contender is now, or move on and rebuild. That's it.

The fact is that Cronin really only has right now to make that decision and I honestly hope he's more shrewd about it than I would be as a fan. I hope Joe takes a cold look at the situation and all of the options and decides whether or not it's realistic for us to put a contender together around Dame. If Joe rationally thinks we can do it (and I think the window is way closer to four years than one) then I hope Joe goes all in. If he makes the rational decision that it's not going to happen he needs to have the guts to tell Dame and start a youth rebuild right now. There is no way for this to work half in and half out... it's all in one way or the other and it needs to happen now.

 

[RR7]

so the restrictive template for a championship has 2 components: age and being over 6'6.

I know another restrictive template was a championship team needed 2 all-stars on the roster. Of course, Denver just adjusted the parameters of that template

Usually a top 10 defense is also mentioned, but since Denver wasn't one, I guess that got conveniently dropped.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Not true. Unless it’s a trade or something major, it gets rolled into a mega thread. Brandon Miller coming to town? Rolled into the Brandon Miller thread. Scoot working out with Steph curry? Scoot mega thread. You have to potentially read through pages of posts to make sure you’re up to speed.

Even if it's a fake news story like Shaedon Sharpe suddenly growing to 6'8" it gets it's own thread around here. Where ya been?