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The new inductees to the R&R hall of fame were announced, nice to see that Chicago FINALLY made it. (don't know what the hell took so long) but every year there seems to be that one group where you ask....WTF? & this years winner for that is N.W.A. The really foul mouthed rap group that gave us such great hits like "Fuck the police" There's also a group called Cheap trick who in there almost 40 years only had 3 top 10 singles, no top 40 hits in the last 25 years & only had one album crack the top 10. Last years head scratcher was Lou Reed who NEVER had a top ten hit & only had one song ever crack the top 20 (walk on the wild side).

For your surprised viewing here are a few VERY well known & successful artists who are NOT in the R&R HOF...........

Paul Anka
Neil Sedaka
Journey
Carly Simon
Carol King
Robert Palmer
Cher
Bread
Three dog night
Leslie Gore
Jay & the Americans
Grand funk railroad
Steppinwolf
Duprees
Skyliners
Turtles
Kool & the gang
Foreigner
Carpenters
Bobby Vinton

Just to name a few.
 
Does Carly Simon count? I mean besides the iconic "You're So Vain", did she have other significant hits?

Like baseball...HoF moments don't make it a HoF career.

I suppose it would help to know those inducted and why to better understand the list of uninducted.
 
^^^ Tom are you serious on Carly Simon?

29 nominations winning 7 of them including 3 Grammy's &

1972 Best new artist
1979 Best album
1989 Academy award for best original song (Working girl) ALSO..........
7 top 20 albums
5 top 10 singles

As far as other major hits......

You're so Vain #1
Nobody does it better #2
Mockingbird W/James Taylor #5
You belong to me #6
That's the way I've always heard it should be #10
Jesse #11
Anticipation #13
 
Okay...how much of that is from a handful of hits? Are there less accomplished artists in the RnR HoF? Need some perspective as opposed to a resume. I mean does everyone with a #1 song make it in?
 
Okay...how much of that is from a handful of hits? Are there less accomplished artists in the RnR HoF? Need some perspective as opposed to a resume. I mean does everyone with a #1 song make it in?



Of course not but I would think one would at least need to have multiple top 20 or top 10 hits over a long career with at least a few awards. I mean hell even if some of her nominations were for different catagories that's still a pretty impressive resume. As far as less accomplished artists in the R&R HOF I'm sure there are many. Hell I mentioned one in Lou Reed.
 
...Tote, Carly Simon's "Another Passenger" album is a GREAT album, front to back...do yourself a favor and buy it.

...just a sample;






...and Rick, I was pretty she had already been inducted, so I checked...Carol King was inducted into the RRHOF in 1990.
 
I also wondered how Carole got left out; and thought I recalled Her's and Goffin going in as a duo. Carole was impressive latter on by herself, doing a potpourri repertoire, of great tunes, ....

I understand why half of these musicians haven't made it or ever will. I mean what genre do you put Bread into..? I know, Bubble Gum Pop, so the RRHOF has to build a new wing. Could be the same for 3 Dog doo doo. I heard plenty of their music on the radio, in the days, but easily, quickly got burnt out for good. Kim collects frogs (figurines of all sorts) in her Garden, one Frog has a motion sensor, and sings "Jeremiah was a bullfrog", .... I almost tossed it.

Besides if Bread, or other bubble gum pop artists are going into a new wing, then what does one do about The Monkees...? A short 3 years or so, in which they outsold either combo of: Elvis and the Beatles, or The Beatles, and the Rolling Stones, in those 2 yrs or so, which is staggering, as both Brittish Mega Groups, put out some memorable incredible music, in comparison to the bubble gum artists, ie, The Partridge Family next...? Or would it be Shirley and Her Son David, nah to never be. Bubble Gum was the Disco of the 60s, for the same generation, except me....! I believed more in a Disco Apocolypse, & don't begrude any Mirrorball dancing king. But late 60s-early 70s music buried bubble gum for awhile, while Woodstock had its day. NTM-Woodstock II, down by 59.....

Then what does the RR-HOF do for Cher, put a Wax Figure of Her, in several catagories, Pop, 60s Hits w/Sonny too, shouldn't The Smothers Brothers be equal, or more so distinguished, only vs the others shows. But Cher made it bigger on Her own, and also became the Gay Man's Drag Queen #1 Idolized look alike, or- Cher was played in more Gay Bars for Men, who think they're women, not that I'd know, but so I've heard.......One for Bazooka, the other for Disco and Disco Flaming Figs, but then she was one helluva Actress IMO, also. The Vegas Queen of Showgirls, would require a new Wing also, for others, who often retire in Infamy by playing Vegas, for a year solid, or a lifetime.....Vegas needs its own Wing, so Cher's in half a dozen HOF Wings.



or- The Stone's Altamont, with The Flying Burrito Bros. Opened the day long to midnight show. Gram Parsons at his finest, as was Chris Hillman ex Byrd, or Bernie Leadon, latter one of the original Eagles. Sneaky Pete Kleinlow, one of the most sought after Pedal Steel players of his time. He is best known as a member of the band the Flying Burrito Brothers and as a Session Musician for such artists as Joan Baez, Jackson Browne, The Byrds, Joe Cocker, Rita Coolige, The Eagles, The Everly Brothers, George Harrison, The Steve Miller Band, Joni Mitchell, The Rolling Stones, Ringo Starr, Stevie Wonder, Spencer Davis, Linda Ronstadt, and many others.

Anka, Sedaka, I don't understand, both were legends, as were: Steppenwolf, who did NOT have their LP's in the 60s...? I saw and wrote a local paper Concert Review of John Kay, and his new band, right after Steppenwolf split up, one reason they're not in the HOF, not enough time together. Tho' a spoke's group of their groovy Easy Rider times, at times Steppenwolf's music played as a National Anthem to an entire Generation of , of, of....? Hippies, Bikers, Freedom Cries, what a strange era to be a part of, be it establishment, education, or being drafted....love to see these all get in.

Kool and the Gang, strictly Disco all the way, send 'em to Motown for their own inductions, wrong city, not Rock n Roll, ......

The Carpenter's touched everyone's heart at one time or another, with a ton of great ballads. I think Bulomic, Anorexic conditions, are still taboo, perhaps even for the RR-HOF, but were they Rock n Roll, I don't classify 'em as such. Or a few others noted as well.

Grand Funk, who didn't listen to them...? but HOF worthy, I question as much.

I loved Robert Palmer long before anyone knew who he was, playing the Roxy, on Sunset blvd, a great 500 capacity night club, where I saw Ry Cooder on back to back nights, in 77 and 79, yet Ry is not listed as one of the Memorable Musicians on the Roxy's HOF list of shows, what a shame, even Ronnie Wood, Linda Ronstadt, were in the audience, once a John Lennon - Harry Nielsen hangout....

IMO, no one else goes in before someone acknowledges Ry Cooder's 50+ years of accomplishments. He's played with every great on the Planet. The Rolling Stones wanted Ry before they settled with Mick Taylor after Brian's death. Ry was a regular sessions player for the Stones- "Sticky Fingers" and "Let It Bleed" LP's, and taught Richards began at 17 with The Magic Band of Captain Beefheart, went on to play with Taj Mahal, in a band b/t the 2. Ry is noteworthy on a couple of Little Feat's first LP. He was called upon as a kid to come play with a musician who's in town for a show or 2 or 3, and need someone to play with, since Ry could play anything, yet is unique unto himself. Ry is most often credited as teaching Keith Richards open tuning on the guitar and thus inspiring him to write a bunch of classics we all know and love.
Ry has won more than his share of awards, you can see on Wiki-. Another Iconic Epic Legend, who remains an obscure Musicians Musician.

As for Journey and Foreigner, the Turtles and a couple of others, their bodies of work, seem short in comparison to others....

damned, this wore me out.......~Fini~
 
Rick, You launched the number one gripe I have. For years I left messages on Utube about how BOGUS that organization IS. There is no credit to their induction methods, judges and category...........How can rap be in the Rock n Roll H of F? I have NO respect for that slop.
I wish we could start are own accreditted organization.
Here are my bands/artists. Paul Revere and the Raiders, Deep Purple, LOS LOBOS, LITTLE FEAT, SPIRIT, THE DOOBIE BROTHERS, William Clarke ( Great harp player), Tommy Castro (Great blues guitarist) , Snooky Prior (Great harp player), Mister Mister, The Fixx, Jo Jo Gunn, Humble Pie, JJ Jackson, HUEY LEWIS and THE NEWS, Ry Cooder, Bobby Keys (sax player for the Stones) Paul Franklin (Steel guitarist extradinaire-Dire Straits), Dire Straits, Til Tuesday, JJ Cale, SHADOWFAX (the first new age band with multiplee cultural effects, Afro Celts (great band with celtic, arab and african influences)-(After all RnR came from African influence and the New Orleans area. Vince Gill and more forgotten real rock and roll, blues and upscale country musicians.

Rap should have their own palace. Rap is not music. It is tribal poetry.

THE ROCK HALL IS BOGUS
 
I also wondered how Carole got left out; and thought I recalled Her's and Goffin going in as a duo. Carole was impressive latter on by herself, doing a potpourri repertoire, of great tunes, ....

I understand why half of these musicians haven't made it or ever will. I mean what genre do you put Bread into..? I know, Bubble Gum Pop, so the RRHOF has to build a new wing. Could be the same for 3 Dog doo doo. I heard plenty of their music on the radio, in the days, but easily, quickly got burnt out for good. Kim collects frogs (figurines of all sorts) in her Garden, one Frog has a motion sensor, and sings "Jeremiah was a bullfrog", .... I almost tossed it.

Besides if Bread, or other bubble gum pop artists are going into a new wing, then what does one do about The Monkees...? A short 3 years or so, in which they outsold either combo of: Elvis and the Beatles, or The Beatles, and the Rolling Stones, in those 2 yrs or so, which is staggering, as both Brittish Mega Groups, put out some memorable incredible music, in comparison to the bubble gum artists, ie, The Partridge Family next...? Or would it be Shirley and Her Son David, nah to never be. Bubble Gum was the Disco of the 60s, for the same generation, except me....! I believed more in a Disco Apocolypse, & don't begrude any Mirrorball dancing king. But late 60s-early 70s music buried bubble gum for awhile, while Woodstock had its day. NTM-Woodstock II, down by 59.....

Then what does the RR-HOF do for Cher, put a Wax Figure of Her, in several catagories, Pop, 60s Hits w/Sonny too, shouldn't The Smothers Brothers be equal, or more so distinguished, only vs the others shows. But Cher made it bigger on Her own, and also became the Gay Man's Drag Queen #1 Idolized look alike, or- Cher was played in more Gay Bars for Men, who think they're women, not that I'd know, but so I've heard.......One for Bazooka, the other for Disco and Disco Flaming Figs, but then she was one helluva Actress IMO, also. The Vegas Queen of Showgirls, would require a new Wing also, for others, who often retire in Infamy by playing Vegas, for a year solid, or a lifetime.....Vegas needs its own Wing, so Cher's in half a dozen HOF Wings.



or- The Stone's Altamont, with The Flying Burrito Bros. Opened the day long to midnight show. Gram Parsons at his finest, as was Chris Hillman ex Byrd, or Bernie Leadon, latter one of the original Eagles. Sneaky Pete Kleinlow, one of the most sought after Pedal Steel players of his time. He is best known as a member of the band the Flying Burrito Brothers and as a Session Musician for such artists as Joan Baez, Jackson Browne, The Byrds, Joe Cocker, Rita Coolige, The Eagles, The Everly Brothers, George Harrison, The Steve Miller Band, Joni Mitchell, The Rolling Stones, Ringo Starr, Stevie Wonder, Spencer Davis, Linda Ronstadt, and many others.

Anka, Sedaka, I don't understand, both were legends, as were: Steppenwolf, who did NOT have their LP's in the 60s...? I saw and wrote a local paper Concert Review of John Kay, and his new band, right after Steppenwolf split up, one reason they're not in the HOF, not enough time together. Tho' a spoke's group of their groovy Easy Rider times, at times Steppenwolf's music played as a National Anthem to an entire Generation of , of, of....? Hippies, Bikers, Freedom Cries, what a strange era to be a part of, be it establishment, education, or being drafted....love to see these all get in.

Kool and the Gang, strictly Disco all the way, send 'em to Motown for their own inductions, wrong city, not Rock n Roll, ......

The Carpenter's touched everyone's heart at one time or another, with a ton of great ballads. I think Bulomic, Anorexic conditions, are still taboo, perhaps even for the RR-HOF, but were they Rock n Roll, I don't classify 'em as such. Or a few others noted as well.

Grand Funk, who didn't listen to them...? but HOF worthy, I question as much.

I loved Robert Palmer long before anyone knew who he was, playing the Roxy, on Sunset blvd, a great 500 capacity night club, where I saw Ry Cooder on back to back nights, in 77 and 79, yet Ry is not listed as one of the Memorable Musicians on the Roxy's HOF list of shows, what a shame, even Ronnie Wood, Linda Ronstadt, were in the audience, once a John Lennon - Harry Nielsen hangout....

IMO, no one else goes in before someone acknowledges Ry Cooder's 50+ years of accomplishments. He's played with every great on the Planet. The Rolling Stones wanted Ry before they settled with Mick Taylor after Brian's death. Ry was a regular sessions player for the Stones- "Sticky Fingers" and "Let It Bleed" LP's, and taught Richards began at 17 with The Magic Band of Captain Beefheart, went on to play with Taj Mahal, in a band b/t the 2. Ry is noteworthy on a couple of Little Feat's first LP. He was called upon as a kid to come play with a musician who's in town for a show or 2 or 3, and need someone to play with, since Ry could play anything, yet is unique unto himself. Ry is most often credited as teaching Keith Richards open tuning on the guitar and thus inspiring him to write a bunch of classics we all know and love.
Ry has won more than his share of awards, you can see on Wiki-. Another Iconic Epic Legend, who remains an obscure Musicians Musician.

As for Journey and Foreigner, the Turtles and a couple of others, their bodies of work, seem short in comparison to others....

damned, this wore me out.......~Fini~

++Matts Once again YOU KNOW!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with all you say. Steppenwolf, Grand Funk . OH NO I would induct TOWER OF POWER forgot........because they are the best most tight varied and live act EVER That band: they are the legends in the role of back up horns for so many groups such as Little Feat and Huey Lewis & the News. Of course Rocco and Garibaldi was the best rythym section of all time. In my past I was a DJ and station music director for my college radio station.
 
How could I forget STEVE MILLER and Spencer Davis/Steve Winwood
 
...the fact that "bands" like ABBA and the Beastie Boys are enshrined while others who are more deserving, are left out, speaks volumes.
 
Hell I'm also surprised that many great single artists are not in like......................

Frank Sinatra
Dean Martin
Andy Williams
Perry Como
Sammy Davis
Jerry Vale
Tony Bennett

Now before anyone says, "That's not rock & roll" Well neither is rap & besides, Bobby Darin is in & he was the same type of singer as the ones I just mentioned.
 
Bobby Darrin was great with Pop Standards but Splish, Splash, Queen of the Hop, Plain Jane, and Dream Lover were examples of his Rock Contributions and the time period when he hit with those tunes was a factor. In 1957 and 1958 all the big boys like Holly, Domino, Cochran, Berry, Jerry Lee and the others were going full tilt boogie so the man had some pretty stiff competition. Overall though I never cared for the R&R HOF picks, or "Grammy" winners I made my own choices. I
 
Michael I agree, when you see several of the artists already in there & the MANY that have been overlooked the R&R HOF is not anything one can take very seriously.
 
Rick, You launched the number one gripe I have. For years I left messages on Utube about how BOGUS that organization IS. There is no credit to their induction methods, judges and category...........How can rap be in the Rock n Roll H of F? I have NO respect for that slop.
I wish we could start are own accreditted organization.
Here are my bands/artists. Paul Revere and the Raiders, Deep Purple, LOS LOBOS, LITTLE FEAT, SPIRIT, THE DOOBIE BROTHERS, William Clarke ( Great harp player), Tommy Castro (Great blues guitarist) , Snooky Prior (Great harp player), Mister Mister, The Fixx, Jo Jo Gunn, Humble Pie, JJ Jackson, HUEY LEWIS and THE NEWS, Ry Cooder, Bobby Keys (sax player for the Stones) Paul Franklin (Steel guitarist extradinaire-Dire Straits), Dire Straits, Til Tuesday, JJ Cale, SHADOWFAX (the first new age band with multiplee cultural effects, Afro Celts (great band with celtic, arab and african influences)-(After all RnR came from African influence and the New Orleans area. Vince Gill and more forgotten real rock and roll, blues and upscale country musicians.

Rap should have their own palace.
Rap is not music. It is tribal poetry.

THE ROCK HALL IS BOGUS

"Tribal Poetry" :rotfl: :twothumbs: ....^^^ :clap:
very catching, first time I've heard that most proper fitting connotation used, as its very correct. Touche-:check::pokecrap:

I know of a deserted alleyway in downtown LA, they could hold their HOF for West Coast Crappers, and the same for East Side NY Tribal Spokesmen......on 2nd thought, ....:smiley-nay:
 
I also wondered how Carole got left out; and thought I recalled Her's and Goffin going in as a duo. Carole was impressive latter on by herself, doing a potpourri repertoire, of great tunes, ....

I understand why half of these musicians haven't made it or ever will. I mean what genre do you put Bread into..? I know, Bubble Gum Pop, so the RRHOF has to build a new wing. Could be the same for 3 Dog doo doo. I heard plenty of their music on the radio, in the days, but easily, quickly got burnt out for good. Kim collects frogs (figurines of all sorts) in her Garden, one Frog has a motion sensor, and sings "Jeremiah was a bullfrog", .... I almost tossed it.

Besides if Bread, or other bubble gum pop artists are going into a new wing, then what does one do about The Monkees...? A short 3 years or so, in which they outsold either combo of: Elvis and the Beatles, or The Beatles, and the Rolling Stones, in those 2 yrs or so, which is staggering, as both Brittish Mega Groups, put out some memorable incredible music, in comparison to the bubble gum artists, ie, The Partridge Family next...? Or would it be Shirley and Her Son David, nah to never be. Bubble Gum was the Disco of the 60s, for the same generation, except me....! I believed more in a Disco Apocolypse, & don't begrude any Mirrorball dancing king. But late 60s-early 70s music buried bubble gum for awhile, while Woodstock had its day. NTM-Woodstock II, down by 59.....

Then what does the RR-HOF do for Cher, put a Wax Figure of Her, in several catagories, Pop, 60s Hits w/Sonny too, shouldn't The Smothers Brothers be equal, or more so distinguished, only vs the others shows. But Cher made it bigger on Her own, and also became the Gay Man's Drag Queen #1 Idolized look alike, or- Cher was played in more Gay Bars for Men, who think they're women, not that I'd know, but so I've heard.......One for Bazooka, the other for Disco and Disco Flaming Figs, but then she was one helluva Actress IMO, also. The Vegas Queen of Showgirls, would require a new Wing also, for others, who often retire in Infamy by playing Vegas, for a year solid, or a lifetime.....Vegas needs its own Wing, so Cher's in half a dozen HOF Wings.



or- The Stone's Altamont, with The Flying Burrito Bros. Opened the day long to midnight show. Gram Parsons at his finest, as was Chris Hillman ex Byrd, or Bernie Leadon, latter one of the original Eagles. Sneaky Pete Kleinlow, one of the most sought after Pedal Steel players of his time. He is best known as a member of the band the Flying Burrito Brothers and as a Session Musician for such artists as Joan Baez, Jackson Browne, The Byrds, Joe Cocker, Rita Coolige, The Eagles, The Everly Brothers, George Harrison, The Steve Miller Band, Joni Mitchell, The Rolling Stones, Ringo Starr, Stevie Wonder, Spencer Davis, Linda Ronstadt, and many others.

Anka, Sedaka, I don't understand, both were legends, as were: Steppenwolf, who did NOT have their LP's in the 60s...? I saw and wrote a local paper Concert Review of John Kay, and his new band, right after Steppenwolf split up, one reason they're not in the HOF, not enough time together. Tho' a spoke's group of their groovy Easy Rider times, at times Steppenwolf's music played as a National Anthem to an entire Generation of , of, of....? Hippies, Bikers, Freedom Cries, what a strange era to be a part of, be it establishment, education, or being drafted....love to see these all get in.

Kool and the Gang, strictly Disco all the way, send 'em to Motown for their own inductions, wrong city, not Rock n Roll, ......

The Carpenter's touched everyone's heart at one time or another, with a ton of great ballads. I think Bulomic, Anorexic conditions, are still taboo, perhaps even for the RR-HOF, but were they Rock n Roll, I don't classify 'em as such. Or a few others noted as well.

Grand Funk, who didn't listen to them...? but HOF worthy, I question as much.

I loved Robert Palmer long before anyone knew who he was, playing the Roxy, on Sunset blvd, a great 500 capacity night club, where I saw Ry Cooder on back to back nights, in 77 and 79, yet Ry is not listed as one of the Memorable Musicians on the Roxy's HOF list of shows, what a shame, even Ronnie Wood, Linda Ronstadt, were in the audience, once a John Lennon - Harry Nielsen hangout....

IMO, no one else goes in before someone acknowledges Ry Cooder's 50+ years of accomplishments. He's played with every great on the Planet. The Rolling Stones wanted Ry before they settled with Mick Taylor after Brian's death. Ry was a regular sessions player for the Stones- "Sticky Fingers" and "Let It Bleed" LP's, and taught Richards began at 17 with The Magic Band of Captain Beefheart, went on to play with Taj Mahal, in a band b/t the 2. Ry is noteworthy on a couple of Little Feat's first LP. He was called upon as a kid to come play with a musician who's in town for a show or 2 or 3, and need someone to play with, since Ry could play anything, yet is unique unto himself. Ry is most often credited as teaching Keith Richards open tuning on the guitar and thus inspiring him to write a bunch of classics we all know and love.
Ry has won more than his share of awards, you can see on Wiki-. Another Iconic Epic Legend, who remains an obscure Musicians Musician.

As for Journey and Foreigner, the Turtles and a couple of others, their bodies of work, seem short in comparison to others....

damned, this wore me out.......~Fini~


Rob I take it you're not a fan of 3 dog night but did you know that they had 18 top 20 hits. The group was amazing. How the hell does the HOF over look them?

And if we're going to exclude Kool & the gang because of MOTOWN DISCO how do you explain Donna Summer being in the HOF?
 
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Hell I'm also surprised that many great single artists are not in like......................

Frank Sinatra
Dean Martin
Andy Williams
Perry Como
Sammy Davis
Jerry Vale
Tony Bennett

Now before anyone says, "That's not rock & roll" Well neither is rap & besides, Bobby Darin is in & he was the same type of singer as the ones I just mentioned.

I don't want to take anything away from The Real Boss-Sinatra, Como, Williams, Bennett or any other musician/vocalist, but here's where most of those not headed to the Rock n Roll HOF, but are headed to the "PoP HOF", no kidding:

http://www.americaspopmusichalloffame.org/#!inductees/cd9g

http://www.observer-reporter.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130923/NEWS01/130929734#.U9nUkfldUo5

Dean Martin could be “swaying” his way into America’s Pop Music Hall of Fame. Add to that the Bee Gees, whose legacy will be “stayin’ alive” if they are selected for the Canonsburg-based music museum, and Buddy Holly, who won’t “fade away” if he makes the cut.


These are just three of the 25 groups and singers who have been nominated for the pop hall of fame, which is still in the planning stages. From that selection, which includes artists as diverse as the Supremes and Simon & Garfunkel, 10 new inductees will be chosen by popular vote on the music hall’s website.


This is the second time the nominations board has reached out to the public to make the final decision. Last March, 14 artists were inducted into the hall of fame, including Frank Sinatra and Johnny Cash, as well as Canonsburg locals Bobby Vinton and Perry Como.


Terry Hazlett, head of the nominations board, said thousands of people voted last year, and he was surprised that Johnny Mathis received more votes than Elvis and the Beatles. Hazlett said locals understand the concept of the pop hall of fame, which includes musicians who have had a score of Billboard hits, but may not fit the bill for Cleveland’s Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.



“That meant a lot to us because it meant that the public got it, that it was a pop music hall of fame,” Hazlett said. “(Johnny Mathis) is a pop star. He’ll never, ever get in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.”


A panel of eight local people selected nearly 50 artists who had a Billboard hit between 1945 and 1970. The list was then sent to disc jockeys, musicians and writers across the country, who narrowed the list to 25 nominees. Hazlett said the nominees were primarily judged on their popularity, but also their influence on culture.


Hazlett said the board hopes to induct 10 new artists each year, and each year the nominees will include more recent artists.


“We wanted to make sure some of the artists from the ’50s and ’60s got in before we started expanding into the ’70s and ’80s,” Hazlett said. “As long as there’s popular music, there will be people to induct. I don’t think we’ll run out of inductees any time soon.”



Hazlett said he is personally rooting for the Monkees, who have never been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.


“They were a terrific pop band,” Hazlett said. “They wrote songs, they played all the instruments. They very much deserve to be in a hall of fame, and I think they fit the bill perfectly.”



Hazlett said museum coordinators have asked artists to send memorabilia, and they have received several guitars signed by musicians including country singer Vince Gill and rock band Paul Revere and the Raiders.



An induction ceremony will be held next year in spring or fall, and a feasibility study is currently under way to determine what size the hall of fame should be.



In addition to Martin, the Bee Gees, Holly, the Supremes, the Monkees and Simon & Garfunkel, nominated this year are the Carpenters, the Everly Brothers, Roy Orbison, the Platters, Andy Williams, Tony Bennett, Chicago, the Four Seasons, Elton John, Patti Page, Three Dog Night, Pat Boone, Dion, Connie Francis, Carole King, Ricky Nelson, Gene Pitney, Smokey Robinson & the Miracles and Dionne Warwick.


Check this out Rick, there's more news on this link, than I'm copying, several stories here at this URL:
http://www.americaspopmusichalloffame.org/#!news/c1hh4
 
I have always wondered how the R&R HOF got placed in Cleveland in the first place. Don't want to hear any of that Allen Freed Crap either. Freed was a DJ who pimped records. The term Rock & Roll was black peoples slang for getting it on God knows how many years before Freed came along. Sam Phillips had Presley, Cash, Orbison, Lewis and Perkins all under contract at his Memphis Based Sun operation. None of those five performers were from Cleveland. Neither were Berry, Domino, Halley or any of the other "founding acts". The R& R HOF should have been located in Memphis not in the "Mistake on the Lake". My significant other has a friend who is a retired agent who told me that it did not matter what the performers could do if they wanted to eat they had to depend on their agents to get them booked. Music is a wonderful art but a damn filthy business.
 
I recently saw that they have a POP music HOF but I'm unable to find a list of its current inductees. And seriously why a separate HOF for Pop music & not one for all the rap crap. The whole thing to me just doesn't make any sense. The Animals are in with 14 top 40 hits but a group like the Herman Hermits with 18 top 40 hits aren't. Like I said no rhyme or reason. I really wish I knew what they look at when making there decisions.
 
Rob I take it you're not a fan of 3 dog night but did you know that they had 18 top 20 hits. The group was amazing. How the hell does the HOF over look them?

Check out my last post, just logged, for the "PoP Music HOF", they're noted.....

Yep, My Sisters had every single one of their LP's, I actually enjoyed 3 Dog Doo Doo's tunes, but like I said, they burned me out rapidly, blame it on 6 Sisters, who listened to Bread, The Monkees, Bobby Sherman (WTF), The Partridge Family, Mungo Jerry, The Cowsils; of course they all loved Karen Carpenter and her brother, but then honestly who would say they didn't enjoy at least one if not several Carpenter's tunes, as you mentioned prior....!

My Seesters would buy 45s of The Brady Bunch had they made a record, and no kidding, they fell for 'The Archies' (hey sugah sugah); Herman and the Hermits, in lieu of The Beatles, or Stones, hell it took me forever to get one sister rehabilitated from Bubble Gum Pop, to real rock n roll, and CCR did the trick, as did James Taylor, Crosby-Stills and Nash, hell even the Beach Boys, the Mamas and Papas, Lovin Spoonfull were a improvement over their own tastes for bubble gum.

I'm not trying to take anything away from Pop, its just never been my music, less of course the Great Legendary Crooner's, Sinatra, Como, Williams, Bennett, et al. Hell Harry Connick Jr., Buble would sound great accompanying the Rat Pack, maybe overlay tracks, like Nat King Cole's Daughter did with her Dad's music on One LP.

Then again, if you look at the POP HOF list of inductees, there is a large assortment for existing only 2 years now.

so where does that leave Tom Jones and Englebert Humperdink....? Not that I'm curious, but my Sisters would be.....(chuckle)...

It was a hoot of Golden Days, when I did my best to drown out my Sisters Luggage looking Mono Record Player, and since they never worked, and I did, I had bigger louder toys, ie 100 Watt Amp, Ultralinear- Studio Monitors of speakers...., back then 100 Watts was like a magnet for music buffs to congregate too. Not found in a typical Big Wooden Stereos, ie, Curtis Mathes, Magnavox or RCA. They- (my 6 seesters) still only know music that's on the Billboard Top 40, (less One convert). Of course their fav music show each week was, "Top 40- Countdown with Casey Kasem".......but who didn't listen to Kasem...? I did most Saturdays at Noon.....
 
I recently saw that they have a POP music HOF but I'm unable to find a list of its current inductees. And seriously why a separate HOF for Pop music & not one for all the rap crap. The whole thing to me just doesn't make any sense. The Animals are in with 14 top 40 hits but a group like the Herman Hermits with 18 top 40 hits aren't. Like I said no rhyme or reason. I really wish I knew what they look at when making there decisions.

Here you go:

http://www.americaspopmusichalloffame.org/#!inductees/cd9g

Note: post #23, has a link for that list of inductees noted above, while the other 2 links, reveal upcoming nominees....
 
I have always wondered how the R&R HOF got placed in Cleveland in the first place. Don't want to hear any of that Allen Freed Crap either. Freed was a DJ who pimped records. The term Rock & Roll was black peoples slang for getting it on God knows how many years before Freed came along. Sam Phillips had Presley, Cash, Orbison, Lewis and Perkins all under contract at his Memphis Based Sun operation. None of those five performers were from Cleveland. Neither were Berry, Domino, Halley or any of the other "founding acts". The R& R HOF should have been located in Memphis not in the "Mistake on the Lake". My significant other has a friend who is a retired agent who told me that it did not matter what the performers could do if they wanted to eat they had to depend on their agents to get them booked. Music is a wonderful art but a damn filthy business.

Here's how Cleveland was chosen, but IMO, it should of never left NYC

https://rockhall.com/visit-the-museum/learn/history-and-overview/


Officials from Cleveland and the state of Ohio approached the Foundation in 1985 and suggested the construction of a major museum. “We originally planned to purchase a brownstone in New York City in which to house the Hall of Fame, as well as an archive, library and museum,” said Suzan Evans. In November, the city sent a delegation to New York.

“They had these wonderful diagrams for a museum that would be much larger than any town house we had originally thought of,” said Evans. “Our eyebrows were raised, and somebody at the meeting actually passed me a note that said, ‘Pack your bags.’”

As the Foundation considered the offer, several other cities, including New York, Philadelphia, New Orleans, San Francisco, Memphis and Chicago, also made offers. The board members visited each city and were greeted with police escorts, public rallies and marching bands.

The first induction dinner was held at New York’s Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in January 1986. Inductees include Chuck Berry, James Brown, Ray Charles, Sam Cooke, Fats Domino, the Everly Brothers, Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis Presley and Little Richard. Robert Johnson, Jimmie Rodgers and Jimmy Yancey were honored as early influences. The first non-performers honored were producer Sam Phillips and disc jockey Alan Freed. Talent scout/producer John Hammond was recognized with a Lifetime Achievement award.

Meanwhile, Cleveland ranked first in a public poll conducted by USA Today asking where the Hall of Fame should be located. After much competition and many visits to potential sites by Foundation members, Cleveland is chosen as the permanent home for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum in May of 1986. - See more at: https://rockhall.com/visit-the-museum/learn/history-and-overview/#sthash.LddaijHt.dpuf
 
There appears to be some kind of petty bul!sh't politics involved with the nomination and "election process" when classic great groups (imo) such as Steppenwolf, The Moody Blues and Jethro Tull are not in while a few others who were primarily "R&B" or "pop" artists ARE in.
 
Rob I take it you're not a fan of 3 dog night but did you know that they had 18 top 20 hits. The group was amazing. How the hell does the HOF over look them?

And if we're going to exclude Kool & the gang because of MOTOWN DISCO how do you explain Donna Summer being in the HOF?

I can't explain why Donna Summer is in any HOF, but let me try.:dunno::smiley-think: :nerd:

The Panel of Voters were doing too much Nose Candy, while dancing to her tunes under a mirrorball, reliving those Disco Crazed daze, I mean days....yep, "that's the ticket"....
:smiley-thumbup: :snort: :wink:


Alot of this all doesn't make sense does it Rick.....? Some seem to get a free pass, and others who have sold more records, had more of an influence on music of their generation, don't even get a wink, let alone a nod.....!

I just realized we have a "disco" emoticon, believe it or not.....:disco:
 

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