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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ May 19 2008, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>what if the extra parts include sean williams and/or boone? wold that change anyone's view of the deal?</div>

Well I've got personal economic reasons for wanting to keep Sean. I wonder if they would prefer to take a sign-and-trade along with Krstic? Just a thought.
 
Carmello isn't getting traded. Stupid article. If it were to happen it would have to be something like Carmello+Camby for Boone, Sean Williams, Marcus Williams, RJ, rd 1 pick, KVH contract, and maybe Krstic or some other player. and even then im not sure i would do it.
 
Why would anyone choose Beasely over Melo?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ May 19 2008, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why would anyone choose Beasely over Melo?</div>

Because I don't lust after Syracuse players?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ May 19 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ May 19 2008, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why would anyone choose Beasely over Melo?</div>

Because I don't lust after Syracuse players?

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What's the point of living, then?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ May 19 2008, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ May 19 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ May 19 2008, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why would anyone choose Beasely over Melo?</div>

Because I don't lust after Syracuse players?

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What's the point of living, then?
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To dream of drafting Georgetown players, of course
 
maybe there is a third team involved that we don't know about. Toronto maybe, give them RJ and Camby, Bargnani and Calderon to Denver.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ May 19 2008, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ May 19 2008, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ May 19 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ May 19 2008, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why would anyone choose Beasely over Melo?</div>

Because I don't lust after Syracuse players?

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What's the point of living, then?
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To dream of drafting Georgetown players, of course
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no lie but i will cry in tears of joy if kiki does this
 
cheaper, younger, and we can then trade RJ for at least Kirilenko.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tremaine @ May 19 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Your Denver backcourt lineup is not going to happen anytime soon. AI will never be the designated PG in Denver while Karl is there worshipping him in his historical 2-guard role. And even if Karl were to be fired, which is just a pipe dream, the next coach might refuse to do it as well, regardless of how much that kills the playoff prospects of the team.</div>
AI handles the ball and creates the majority of the time anyway. Without Melo it would be even more. Do you think they will keep JR? If so, do you think he'll stay a 6th man?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_Yinka_Dare_Fan @ May 19 2008, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ May 19 2008, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why would anyone choose Beasely over Melo?</div>
Cheaper.
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And we wouldn't have to give up anything to get him.
 
Thought he meant strait up. It's obviously a huge boost, if we can hold on too some of those pieces, and ship them off in separate deals.
 
Make this happen! Best part is, we get to keep Sean Williams.


Back to reality. Sounds too good to be true. The only thing that makes me iffy is the lottery pick, and even that isn't truly stopping me from wanting Melo on this squad. Will VC and Carmelo work?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ May 19 2008, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Make this happen! Best part is, we get to keep Sean Williams.


Back to reality. Sounds too good to be true. The only thing that makes me iffy is the lottery pick, and even that isn't truly stopping me from wanting Melo on this squad. Will VC and Carmelo work?</div>
Sorry, Mavs aren't getting Smokey.
 
Well scoring wise AI and Melo worked so I don't see why he couldn't mesh with Vince. I see a Melo-Vince dynamic being similar to Vince-RJ, except with Carmelo being a lot better at just about everything on the offensive end.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ May 19 2008, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tremaine @ May 19 2008, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Your Denver backcourt lineup is not going to happen anytime soon. AI will never be the designated PG in Denver while Karl is there worshipping him in his historical 2-guard role. And even if Karl were to be fired, which is just a pipe dream, the next coach might refuse to do it as well, regardless of how much that kills the playoff prospects of the team.</div>
AI handles the ball and creates the majority of the time anyway. Without Melo it would be even more. Do you think they will keep JR? If so, do you think he'll stay a 6th man?
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Karl will never designate AI as his starting PG and he will never or at least almost never start JR at 2-guard.

The Nuggets are disfunctional and therefore unpredictable right now, so all true Nuggets fans are uptight right now about what might go down. Here is a small sample of some of the things Nuggets fans have to worry about right now:

1. The Nuggets trade C Anthony and don't get what Melo is worth in return.
2. The Nuggets despite trading C Anthony still end up with no proven, outstanding PG which they desperately need.
3. The Nuggets continue to waste JR Smith to a substantial degree, with Iverson as 2-guard starter and Smith's minutes limited due to that and due to Karl still disliking him very much.
4. In general, the Nuggets are going to return to being a door mat 24-58 type of team before Karl is finally retired or shown the door.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tremaine @ May 19 2008, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ May 19 2008, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>AI handles the ball and creates the majority of the time anyway. Without Melo it would be even more. Do you think they will keep JR? If so, do you think he'll stay a 6th man?</div>

Karl will never designate AI as his starting PG and he will never or at least almost never start JR at 2-guard.

The Nuggets are disfunctional and therefore unpredictable right now, so all true Nuggets fans are uptight right now about what might go down. Here is a small sample of some of the things Nuggets fans have to worry about right now:

1. The Nuggets trade C Anthony and don't get what Melo is worth in return.
2. The Nuggets despite trading C Anthony still end up with no proven, outstanding PG which they desperately need.
3. The Nuggets continue to waste JR Smith to a substantial degree, with Iverson as 2-guard starter and Smith's minutes limited due to that and due to Karl still disliking him very much.
4. In general, the Nuggets are going to return to being a door mat 24-58 type of team before Karl is finally retired or shown the door.
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You didn't answer the last part, do you see JR re-signing with Denver? And staying a 6th man?

It sounds like you don't see him staying there. Between AI being the only one allowed to play 2 guard and Karl not liking JR.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ May 19 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tremaine @ May 19 2008, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ May 19 2008, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>AI handles the ball and creates the majority of the time anyway. Without Melo it would be even more. Do you think they will keep JR? If so, do you think he'll stay a 6th man?</div>

Karl will never designate AI as his starting PG and he will never or at least almost never start JR at 2-guard.

The Nuggets are disfunctional and therefore unpredictable right now, so all true Nuggets fans are uptight right now about what might go down. Here is a small sample of some of the things Nuggets fans have to worry about right now:

1. The Nuggets trade C Anthony and don't get what Melo is worth in return.
2. The Nuggets despite trading C Anthony still end up with no proven, outstanding PG which they desperately need.
3. The Nuggets continue to waste JR Smith to a substantial degree, with Iverson as 2-guard starter and Smith's minutes limited due to that and due to Karl still disliking him very much.
4. In general, the Nuggets are going to return to being a door mat 24-58 type of team before Karl is finally retired or shown the door.
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You didn't answer the last part, do you see JR re-signing with Denver? And staying a 6th man?

It sounds like you don't see him staying there. Between AI being the only one allowed to play 2 guard and Karl not liking JR.
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JR wants to stay despite Karl treating him rough, but Anthony is his best friend on the team, and if Anthony goes, JR would most likely then want out. If Melo were traded to New Jersey, JR would want to go there too, especially since JR is from New Jersey and, so far as I know, all of his kin and most of his other friends are still there.

JR being very young has not gotten very upset about just being a 6th man, which I guess is to his credit, and I think he would probably put up with it for another season, but again, only if Melo stays.

As for me, the more I think about this, the more I like the idea of C Anthony playing for New Jersey and getting off of the Nuggets who have reached a dead end in the way they manage their team. The ultimate for me would be if Anthony and Smith came to New Jersey in the same trade, even if Smith was still only a backup (to VC). That would definitely spell the end of me being a Nuggets guy and the start of me being a Nets guy. I know a sinking ship when I see one, so I'd have to get on a life boat to escape the Nuggets at that point.
 
Be a heck of a deal for Thorn to get Melo into NJ. Basically becomes the go to guy, that neither VC nor RJ have embraced. Separates a pair of players that need the rock in their hands to succeed. Melo gets Ratner, that instant limelight on the move to Brooklyn. Moves the Nets into at least top 3 in the eastern conference....and probably a nice rivalry with Lebron 3-4 seasons down the road.
 
If our perimeter D was horrible with RJ, imagine how bad it would be with Anthony.
Still, I'd do this trade even if it means seeing the team dismantled by every contender for a couple of seasons.

The talent level in this trade just isn't even close.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ May 19 2008, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If our perimeter D was horrible with RJ, imagine how bad it would be with Anthony.
Still, I'd do this trade even if it means seeing the team dismantled by every contender for a couple of seasons.

The talent level in this trade just isn't even close.</div>

What makes you think RJ's defense is any better than Carmelo's?
 
I had no clue you were such a fair weather fan.. anyway, Melo is not getting traded to the nets straight up. They don't have enough to compensate for the loss of melo unless they get a top 2 pick. Furthermore, trading Melo would almost definitely mean AI would opt out, putting the Nuggets back at the bottom of the western conference. that would be like starting a franchise over just for the fun of it. I know the Denver coaching staff and front office are completely incompetent, but i don't think they're capable of pulling off a trade that stupid unless the whole city of Denver got rufied.

i might trade Camby and Melo for Boone, M-Williams, S&T Diop, KVH, RJ and the 10 pick, but idk. New Jersey doesn't sound to appealing as trade partners.


Or how about a 3 way trade with Denver, Detroit, and New Jersey.

Denver gets: Tayshaun Prince, Antonio McDyess

New Jersey gets: Carmelo Anthony

Detroit gets: Richard Jefferson, Josh Boone, #10 pick in this years draft.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_Yinka_Dare_Fan @ May 19 2008, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's an outside stopper in NBA Live 06, silly peg.</div>

Oh, my bad. He has that little lock thing next to his name.
 
Here is a summary of why C Anthony could be traded this off-season and probably will be traded either this off-season or in the 2009 off-season.

1. C Anthony may have finally figured out how screwed up the Nuggets are and how it isn't going to change until there are changes in team management. But the Nuggets are too dumb or cowardly right now to make the needed changes. Remember that he called the Nuggets a quitting team during and after game 3 of the playoffs blowout by the Lakers.

So Anthony may have more or less demanded a trade, but decided to do it out of the public eye.

2. The Nuggets were dumb enough to trade for Allen Iverson but not make any changes at all in his Philadelphia role, producing the same futile result. So they are dumb enough to make a dumb Anthony trade.

3. The Nuggets need salary relief.

4. The Nuggets need a scapegoat if they are too dumb and/or too cowardly to get rid of some coaches.

5. George Karl, who is not known for sticking with strategies, may have grown weary of his offensive strategy (if you can call it that.) He may have demanded that the Nuggets get better defenders on the team, so that he can rely less on his no structure, fast pace offense for easy wins against poor teams next year. Karl/The FO may be trying for the overly simplistic fix of getting better defenders in their quest to win playoff games. I'm not against better defenders but in and of itself it's not going to solve the Nuggets problems, especially if a dumb Melo trade is involved in bringing it about.

In other words, Karl and/or other team managers may have decided that the team needs to move heavily in the direction of more defending and less offense, which would make Melo expendable to some extent.

6. Any team dumb enough to even discuss a Melo trade that does not involve either of the two Nuggets 2-guards, both of whom are among the best 2-guards in the League, Iverson and Smith, in exchange for an outstanding point guard, is dumb enough to make a dumb Melo trade.

7. Karl has named AI as captain and Carmelo Anthony is not even co-captain. Also, Melo's game has been micromanaged by Karl/other coaches to some extent while Iverson has been given total free reign to play any way he wants. Both of these indicate that if the Nuggets make a major trade, it is more likely that Melo goes rather than AI.
 
I am a fair weather and a foul weather sailor; if anything, I'm a better writer in foul weather. But I am not somebody who is going to be on a ship that is sinking and is going to end up at the bottom.

What has been most disappointing about C Anthony to me? The fact that he has done almost nothing to prevent the Nuggets from arriving at a dead end. He did adjust his game as requested, but he didn't realize that the forest is more important than the trees. But he's not the owner or the assistant general manager or even an assistant coach. Hell, he's not even considered a team captain anymore. For me, it would be sufficient if he has more or less demanded to be traded. I could then forgive him for not knowing how to lead his team away from the dead end, or off the island so to speak.

If that sounds kind of cheap, that's because it is kind of cheap. But he is not a college graduate for god's sake and how much can you learn in high school about managing a complex organization? I'm willing to let him off kind of cheap as long as he is finally taking some decisive action, even if it isn't the one Denver fans would want, because I think Melo drew the short straw so to speak as far as coaching and franchise management is concerned, and he deserves another fresh draw.

New Jersey took advantage of the Mavericks' desperation and got rid of the aging Kidd and that to me signals a team that is managed entirely in the real world instead of partly in a fantasy world the way the Nuggets are managed.
 
3 way trade with Denver, Detroit, and New Jersey.

Denver gets: Tayshaun Prince, Antonio McDyess

New Jersey gets: Carmelo Anthony

Detroit gets: Richard Jefferson, Josh Boone, #10 pick in this years draft.

seriously. denver should do this. way better than the straight up NJ deal
 
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