OT Ice Cube's Contract With Black America

[julius]

i have to play devils advocate here, aNd again im not condoning shooting seven times, but isnt everyone telling cops how they should handle themselves in a life and death situation by most people who have never been in a life and death situation?

Well, since they handle themselves in a "life and death" situation differently based on the color of the people who they're dealing with, maybe they should practice the routine that they follow of the one that results in a lower % of shots fired/people killed.

And those people seem to be dismissing the cops were called out there, the victim resisted arrest, and tried to draw a deadly weapon?

How is that different than what you just said?

I think people are concerned about the different reactions they have for different people.

 

[ABM]

So to prove to me you ARE listening, you then prove it by doing exactly what I said shows you don't listen.

Oh, you mean listening to YOU?! Yeah, you're right. My bad.

 

[julius]

Oh, you mean listening to YOU?! Yeah, you're right. My bad.

Yeah, you could do a lot worse.

 

[Lanny]

its somewhat uncharted territory so i understand reasoning on both sides.

I agree 100%, it's uncharted territory. Still, I have this feeling that if I could only think deeply enough I could figure it out. Alas, I'm just not intelligent enough, even with my massive brain.

 

[ABM]

So to prove to me you ARE listening, you then prove it by doing exactly what I said shows you don't listen.

So, you're telling me I can't have my own ideas.

 

[julius]

So, you're telling me I can't have my own ideas.

No, that's not what I'm telling you. You are free to have your own ideas. Just you need to realize that having some perspective helps.

As in, how would you feel if someone who has never experienced what it's like to be a Blazer fan, came in and told you how you should feel about things related to the Blazers?

Or how you should really go about being a fan, starting with no longer hating the Lakers or the Rockets?

And even after they've been told that they don't have the first hand knowledge of what it's like to be a Blazer fan, like why we hate the Lakers or Rockets, they still tell you that you need to embrace their way they are a fan of another team (which isn't even in the same league).

Then after you tell them why what they say doesn't seem to make any sense, they insist on telling you it anyways? And they're almost indignant that you aren't taking their advice, and are baffled that you seem to keep telling them their advice is unnecessary and doesn't really work.

Because that's kind of what you're doing with the BLM movement.

 

[Lanny]

So, you're telling me I can't have my own ideas.

No, king Lanny declares that you must use my ideas. On rare instances you may use the vice king's ideas. Now, you may kiss my ring.

 

[ABM]

No, that's not what I'm telling you. You are free to have your own ideas. Just you need to realize that having some perspective helps.

OK, but look....I have a hankering to begin implementing some of my ideas on my own. Nobody says is has to be linked to BLM in any way. I mean, wouldn't it be great if booths were set up in ground-zero areas, staffed with Blacks and Whites (and others?) alike...fielding questions and concerns from bystanders and anyone else who might want to drop by. Then, begin to see their questions, concerns, and suggestions being aired on television. This, in addition to comments coming in on the hotline. Sure, it might take a little time, but I believe if people began to see folks working TOGETHER to help implement healing and change, momentum could be built that way. Overcoming these protests with love and concern is the path to redemption in my estimation. From there, take that message to Washington and begin to get things done there. It has to start SOMEWHERE, though. Simply mandating new laws, etc., is a semi-backwards approach. Sure, they're needed, but let's get a little meat on the bone before trotting out new laws just for the sake of trotting out new laws.

 

[Lanny]

OK, but look....I have a hankering to begin implementing some of my ideas on my own. Nobody says is has to be linked to BLM in any way. I mean, wouldn't it be great if booths were set up in ground-zero areas, staffed with Blacks and Whites (and others?) alike...fielding questions and concerns from bystanders and anyone else who might want to drop by. Then, begin to see their questions, concerns, and suggestions being aired on television. This, in addition to comments coming in on the hotline. Sure, it might take a little time, but I believe if people began to see folks working TOGETHER to help implement healing and change, momentum could be built that way. Overcoming these protests with love and concern is the path to redemption in my estimation. From there, take that message to Washington and begin to get things done there. It has to start SOMEWHERE, though. Simply mandating new laws, etc., is a semi-backwards approach. Sure, they're needed, but let's get a little meat on the bone before trotting out new laws just for the sake of trotting out new laws.

Your idea comes from a dream world where the people in the booth would be objective and constructive. I'm assuming that the protestors need to let off steam as well as ignite political pressure to get their ideas implemented. They don't do this by holding intellectual discussions when their hormones are overflowing.
I'd say, let the police make sure that there's no violence and minimal public disruption. Some things are going to have to be let go. e.g. spray painting graffiti, walking down streets, blocking off non critical streets, minor altercations, throwing fireworks, perhaps ignoring the occasional water bottle by having the police wear helmets plus body armor and then so on.

 

[julius]

OK, but look....I have a hankering to begin implementing some of my ideas on my own. Nobody says is has to be linked to BLM in any way.

That's probably how this should have started.

I mean, wouldn't it be great if booths were set up in ground-zero areas, staffed with Blacks and Whites (and others?) alike...fielding questions and concerns from bystanders and anyone else who might want to drop by. Then, begin to see their questions, concerns, and suggestions being aired on television. This, in addition to comments coming in on the hotline. Sure, it might take a little time, but I believe if people began to see folks working TOGETHER to help implement healing and change, momentum could be built that way. Overcoming these protests with love and concern is the path to redemption in my estimation. From there, take that message to Washington and begin to get things done there. It has to start SOMEWHERE, though. Simply mandating new laws, etc., is a semi-backwards approach. Sure, they're needed, but let's get a little meat on the bone before trotting out new laws just for the sake of trotting out new laws.

It has never been simply mandating new laws, etc. And no one has suggested that it simply be that either.

 

[ABM]

It has never been simply mandating new laws, etc. And no one has suggested that it simply be that either.

OK, those were adjunct thoughts, but that still "really" have nothing to do with my initial ideas. I think they can stand on themselves.

 

[lawai'a]

abm's choice in promotion of grass roots organizing and direct participation in the decisions and implementation of community reforms has more than just a little merit. it is an opportunity to affirm that their own lives matter. neither governments,big corporations nor institutions have all the answers or resources to truly implement the meaningful change necessary to address all of the problems that have been created through the existence of systemic racism. while all levels of government have a critical role in addressing the issue, the actual residents of these communities that have been negatively impacted will need to be the ones that encourage the participation of their neighbors. this is what i believe to be what grass roots community participation to mean.

 

[Minstrel]

Political cartoon from 1967. The same types of people who oppose BLM because of the violence largely unrelated to them are the people who would have opposed Martin Luther King Jr's movement in the 1960s because of the violence largely unrelated to him and his movement.

People always find reasons to oppose social change they're not interested in.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Political cartoon from 1967. The same types of people who oppose BLM because of the violence largely unrelated to them are the people who would have opposed Martin Luther King Jr's movement in the 1960s because of the violence largely unrelated to him and his movement.

People always find reasons to oppose social change they're not interested in.

I think the fact that the cartoon is from the ‘60’s era Birmingham News screams volumes.......

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

I loathe Doc Rivers as a coach, but I DO strongly admire him as a man. Very eloquent and on point.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I loathe Doc Rivers as a coach, but I DO strongly admire him as a man. Very eloquent and on point.

My woman told me to watch this and I'm like, fuck Doc Rivers. But then I did and yes, it was very good.

 

[julius]

I heard a good argument made the other day. It's weird how many people will stand up to defend the mistreatment of POC, when they also claim they are for equality. You rarely, if ever, hear people defending the cops when they shoot or kill a white person who was being arrested...but you always hear those same people defending the cops "Blue Lives matter" etc, when the same thing happened to a POC.

You're telling me that POC are more inclined to have warrants, act disrespectfully, or defiantly (etc) justifying the response from the police, than that of white people?

And if you believe that, why do you believe that?

 

[Lanny]

I heard a good argument made the other day. It's weird how many people will stand up to defend the mistreatment of POC, when they also claim they are for equality. You rarely, if ever, hear people defending the cops when they shoot or kill a white person who was being arrested...but you always hear those same people defending the cops "Blue Lives matter" etc, when the same thing happened to a POC.

You're telling me that POC are more inclined to have warrants, act disrespectfully, or defiantly (etc) justifying the response from the police, than that of white people?

And if you believe that, why do you believe that?

Black children are introduced to "that" conversation at a young age where they are carefully told how to respond to the police in a very care and extra extra respectful manner. Some people get sick and tired of that bullshit and wind up dead the victims of target practice.