OT Ice Cube's Contract With Black America

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm simply telling you what I'm seeing "these days" and what I'm hearing from others. None of whom are on this website. LOL

Yes, that's very obvious. And I'm trying to remove those blinders from you so you can have a more informed and accurate discussion or at the very least a better build foundation for your complaints. Right now your vision and complaints are not based on facts. I'm just trying to help with that.

 

[julius]

Considering this is coming from you, I don't really give a rip, julius. Go away or I'll simply place you on ignore. Probably should have already.

Go ahead and place me on ignore, it won't mean anything to me. It's a shame when someone refuses to read the room.

 

[ABM]

Yes, that's very obvious. And I'm trying to remove those blinders from you so you can have a more informed and accurate discussion or at the very least a better build foundation for your complaints. Right now your vision and complaints are not based on facts. I'm just trying to help with that.

Got it. You go your way with your so-called facts, and I'll go mine with what I'm seeing.

 

[julius]

It's like confirmation bias isn't a strong enough adjective to use here.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Got it. You go your way with your so-called facts, and I'll go mine with what I'm seeing.

ABM. We cant all see it all though. Are you saying that you see everything? And if not, then would you say there may be things happening that you are not seeing?

i had no clue ice cube was doing what he did until you posted that link this morning and he has been on this for a while. That alone tells me there must be more going on im also unaware of.
You didnt see the bear shit in the woods this morning. Does that mean it didnt shit?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Got it. You go your way with your so-called facts, and I'll go mine with what I'm seeing.

What are these so-called facts? I'm posting links from the very organizations and people you are complaining about. I'm trying to invite you to have a discussion based on these facts.

You made statements that aren't true.

I've shown you that.

Invited you to have a more informed discussion.

Then you instead want to talk about perceptions,opinions, and now resonations that support what has already been proven wrong.

Come on, just because it "resonates" with some that the earth is flat doesn't that it's fact or even worth discussion.

Just because it "resonates" with you that BLM doesn't have national or grassroots leadership or haven't accomplished anything besides protesting isn't fact either.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

ABM. We cant all see it all though. Are you saying that you see everything? And if not, then would you say there may be things happening that you are not seeing?

i had no clue ice cube was doing what he did until you posted that link this morning and he has been on this for a while. That alone tells me there must be more going on im also unaware of.
You didnt see the bear shit in the woods this morning. Does that mean it didnt shit?

Well said. Thanks!

 

[ABM]

What are these so-called facts?

Sly, there's stuff all over. This is NOT one of those clearly-one-side-has-all-the-answers issues.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-blm-platform-destroys-black-lives-that-matter/

I happen to believe that the BLM agenda has somehow clouded itself.....from the inside/out.

 

[ABM]

You didnt see the bear shit in the woods this morning. Does that mean it didnt shit?

What's that smell?!

 

[ABM]

Luv me some Candace!!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I happen to believe that the BLM agenda has somehow clouded itself.....from the inside/out.

Yes, you keep saying things like this.

WHAT EXACTLY OF BLM'S POSTED AGENDA DO YOU THINK HAS CLOUDED ITSELF?

Not what the strawman agendas attributed to BLM you keep posting about.

Of the criminal justice reforms on the BLM's websites which ones, and the corresponding legislation that has either been proposed or passed do you think has clouded itself?

 

[ABM]

Yes, you keep saying things like this.

WHAT EXACTLY OF BLM'S POSTED AGENDA DO YOU THINK HAS CLOUDED ITSELF?

You show me where BLM agendas are actually manifesting themselves in compelling manners at our houses of law, as opposed to being trotted out on a website that any two or three people could generate from their basements. I'm not being flippant here. As I told you before, BLM has been around for a LONG time. Why is it all we seem to see on our televisions are the BLM signs and people screaming and fighting amongst themselves? It's due time for that all to stop.

As an aside. I want to see GROWTH of Portland Black business. Not destruction of them therein.

https://blackpdx.com/about-blackpdx/

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You show me where BLM agendas are actually manifesting themselves in compelling manners at our houses of law, as opposed to being trotted out on a website that any two or three people could generate from their basements.

I have shown you that. Including in this thread. You just refuse to acknowledge it or even discuss it.

I'm not being flippant here.

Actually you are.

As I told you before, BLM has been around for a LONG time.

Wow, I didn't know that, lolz.

Why is it all we seem to see on our televisions are the BLM signs and people screaming and fighting amongst themselves?

Maybe watch something other than Fox News.

 

[ABM]

I have shown you that. Including in this thread. You just refuse to acknowledge it or even discuss it.

Again, Sly....you've shown me stuff related on web pages. Nothing more. Does that make it reality...that there's actually traction in the streets (other than the protest)? Show me that.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Again, Sly....you've shown me stuff related on web pages. Nothing more. Does that make it reality...that there's actually traction in the streets (other than the protest)? Show me that.

LOL! I have shown you legislative change and new laws.

How those laws affect the treatment of black people by law enforcement will not be known for many years.

Your moving target of what black people should do and act like is very sad.

Remember your false complaints so far.

No national leadership. WRONG

No grassroots leadership. WRONG

No national agenda. WRONG

No grassroots or local agenda. WRONG

Now they don't act like you think they should. SAD

I will give you credit in the arguments you've made, when it comes to BLM it's not the LM you don't like, it's the B.

 

[ABM]

LOL! I have shown you legislative change and new laws.

How those laws affect the treatment of black people by law enforcement will not be known for many years.

Your moving target of what black people should do and act like is very sad.

Remember your false complaints so far.

No national leadership. WRONG

No grassroots leadership. WRONG

No national agenda. WRONG

No grassroots or local agenda. WRONG

Now the don't act like you think they should. SAD

I will give you credit in the arguments you've made, when it comes to BLM it's not the LM you don't like, it's the B.

We're not seeing any of your BLM dogma hitting the floor out here. Yell a little louder. PS. You telling me Candace Owens, Herschel Walker, et al ain't Black? Heh.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

We're not seeing any of your BLM dogma hitting the floor out here

What floor? Out where exactly?

Yell a little louder.

I have not yelled at all. Actually I have tried multiple times to engage you in a factual and calm discussion.

PS. You telling me Candace Owens, Herschel Walker, et al ain't Black?

Where did I say anything about Candace Owens or Herschel Walker? Again you're creating strawmen and wanting to argue against it.

 

[ABM]

I have not yelled at all. Actually I have tried multiple times to engage you in a factual and calm discussion.

Really, you've brought me talking points and empty promises. Nothing more. I see empty suits. Oh, other than what we're ALL seeing in the streets.

 

[THE HCP]

@SlyPokerDog stop wasting your time bro.....

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Really, you've brought me talking points and empty promises. Nothing more. I see empty suits. Oh, other than what we're ALL seeing in the streets.

Again, I did not. There has been passed legislation in many cities and states that is linked on the brokenwidows website. I linked and provided screen captures showing that and very politely explained to you how to find further examples. I left it open for you to maybe pick one subject and maybe we can have discussion about it.

If passed legislation, including just last month in Oregon, are empty promises and empty suits then that's on you, not me.

BTW, it is interesting that a Blazer great died today and all you want to talk about on main page of the Blazer forum is yourself.

 

[ABM]

Again, I did not.

There are many other viewpoints on the matter. Again, I really like what Candace Owens has to say regarding BLM. Then, there's Herschel Walker. Ever heard of him?

R.I.P. Clifford Robinson

 

[SlyPokerDog]

There are many other viewpoints on the matter. Again, I really like what Candace Owens has to say regarding BLM. Then, there's Herschel Walker. Ever heard of him?

R.I.P. Clifford Robinson

Love Walker, it's his trade off the Cowboys that gave them multiple Super Bowls.

Emmitt Smith, Russell Maryland, Kevin Smith, and Darren Woodson, ever heard of them?

 

[ABM]

Love Walker, it's his trade off the Cowboys that gave them multiple Super Bowls.

Emmitt Smith, Russell Maryland, Kevin Smith, and Darren Woodson, ever heard of them?

You just listen to different voices than I do. That's OK. Feel free to carry on in your own way.

https://www.al.com/news/2020/08/her...-big-cost-for-supporting-president-trump.html

 

[ABM]

LOL! I have shown you legislative change and new laws.

How those laws affect the treatment of black people by law enforcement will not be known for many years.

Your moving target of what black people should do and act like is very sad.

Remember your false complaints so far.

No national leadership. WRONG

No grassroots leadership. WRONG

No national agenda. WRONG

No grassroots or local agenda. WRONG

Now the don't act like you think they should. SAD

I will give you credit in the arguments you've made, when it comes to BLM it's not the LM you don't like, it's the B.

The trends are emerging, my friend...

https://sputniknews.com/us/20200829...-blm-protests-before-kenosha-riots-poll-show/

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

ABM, Whether you agree with all the notions of the organization BLM is fine. It is after all a political organization, You listen to ABL, YoungRippa99, Officer Tatum, Larry Elder, Candace Owen, Tyrone Magnus, Black and White Sports, Thomas Sowell, they dont disagree with concept of the saying Black Lives Matter, and only the very extreme of the bunch of conservative Black community would tell you racism isnt an issue.
heck even Ali’s son said he thought it was racist here.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...ays-he-wouldve-hated-black-lives-matters/amp/
Its a political organization though people can be free to disagree or agree with certain aspects of it. What I would encourage you to do though is listen to Black people, listen to other people of color, and empathize with them and in as much you can try to be part of the solution towards racism in the country not the head the sand just pretend every the organization does is bad, and its all just bogus. Listen to people you disagree with it doesnt mean you need to agree, but if you cant at least understand where they might be coming from, you cant really act to care about those people. There’s a lot of people on this forum I disagree with their politics, they disagree with mine, but as this is a place for discussion what good does it do any of us if we arent at least trying to give an honest attempt at understanding the other posters POV’s.
Nassir Little actually had a pretty good tweet about BLM a few days ago.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The trends are emerging, my friend...

https://sputniknews.com/us/20200829...-blm-protests-before-kenosha-riots-poll-show/

I keep tabs open to Google News and Drudge. So I get a very fair and balanced news feed from all sides of the political spectrum and not once, not once have I seen an article from that piece of shit news organization. If these are the different voices you were talking about then yes, we most certainly do listen to different ones, comrade!

 

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[ABM]

I keep tabs open to Google News and Drudge....

If I ran Black Lives Matter, I'd:

1) Place booths in conspicuous places in each of our major cities, and especially in each of the hot spot cites

2) Staff each of the booths with trained volunteers who would enthusiastically and empathetically engage with the people - taking responses, complaints, offered solutions, and the like. The staff would capture each of the responses then send those back up through the BLM internal channels

3) Give out printed matter in the booths that relate the BLM history, mission, and any other pertinent information related to current situations at hand. These printed pieces should be presented as a solutions-based packet....not gripes and complaints

4) Set-up a Hot Line whereas people can call in or send voicemails and share what's on their collective minds. Capture all information and send back up through the channels

5) Invite myself and selected staff to the news outlets as to: share our ongoing mission; report comments/concerns/questions from the booths/hotline; while also sharing our concerns and responses as an organization

6) Continue to make presence on the talk shows, etc. as to provide an ongoing "face" to our organization while providing continued feedback as to how we are continuing to respond to the issues at hand

7) If possible, speak on the house floor and garner support from any and all interested parties. Work to lock arms with any one or more of them towards getting bills sponsored and the like

These are just a few ideas off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more rolling around in there......