If Crabbe gets a max offer - do you match?

[Natebishop3]

If a team like the Knicks tossed a max deal at Crabbe - would you match?

I would. Even if we consider it to be too expensive for a bench player, you could turn around and trade him. He's still an asset. We can't afford to let him walk for nothing.

 

[riverman]

If a team like the Knicks tossed a max deal at Crabbe - would you match?

I would. Even if we consider it to be too expensive for a bench player, you could turn around and trade him. He's still an asset. We can't afford to let him walk for nothing.

I think they will and not just to trade him...he's earned a good solid contract and is really loyal. I think they see him as part of the core going forward and both Stotts and Olshey have praised his work ethic and improvement....they don't talk that way about Meyers

 

[SheedSoNasty]

I really like what he brings as a shooter and defender off the bench. He could likely start and be effective so I agree, we need to match seeing as how he's young and prodictive.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

No.

 

[Blazinaway]

first off what is his max? second it its 14-15 mil or more then no friggin way.

 

[riverman]

According to his exit interview, he's not money driven and really wants to stay so I don't think they'll have to offer him the max unless they are forced to match...somebody will make us overpay for one of our restricted free agents....I think Leonard will get the offer and we won't match in his case

 

[TBpup]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nbas-bestworst-case-2016-17-cap-projections/

According to Basketball Insiders: Max contracts project to start at $21.1 million for players with up to six years of experience, $25.3 million for those with seven to nine years, and $29.5 million for those with 10 or more years.

If that is the case, no way. You have to pay CJ next year and you would then have almost $70 million wrapped up in just your back-court. I hope Crabbe can stay as well but if it's much over $10 million, with the other bigger holes you have in this roster, I take my chances or let him go. I'd sign-and-trade him but that isn't as easily done as it used to be.

 

[ripcityboy]

I think Harkless is more likely to get a max than Crabbe, just on potential.... but yes, you max him..... unlesa its a ridiculous amount. We can't afford to lose him. We didn't pick up anyone in the draft and it would be a significant loss to the bench. We can always trade him down the line.

 

[Natebishop3]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nbas-bestworst-case-2016-17-cap-projections/

According to Basketball Insiders: Max contracts project to start at $21.1 million for players with up to six years of experience, $25.3 million for those with seven to nine years, and $29.5 million for those with 10 or more years.

If that is the case, no way. You have to pay CJ next year and you would then have almost $70 million wrapped up in just your back-court. I hope Crabbe can stay as well but if it's much over $10 million, with the other bigger holes you have in this roster, I take my chances or let him go. I'd sign-and-trade him but that isn't as easily done as it used to be.

But Crabbe has only played.... what.... 3 years?

 

[Natebishop3]

first off what is his max? second it its 14-15 mil or more then no friggin way.

I think it's very likely that it's in that 14-15 million range..... and in the new salary cap that's pretty standard man. You need to stop thinking in terms of the old cap.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I think it's very likely that it's in that 14-15 million range..... and in the new salary cap that's pretty standard man. You need to stop thinking in terms of the old cap.

Danny green got 11 million per year in the old cap. And he sucks. Crabbe at least still has potential.

 

[TBpup]

But Crabbe has only played.... what.... 3 years?

Yes...it states that up to 6 years. Here is another link that says the same. 0-6 years can get up to $21M.....ridiculous.

http://bballbreakdown.com/2016/02/23/contextualizing-nba-contracts-90-plus-million-salary-cap/

 

[Natebishop3]

Danny green got 11 million per year in the old cap. And he sucks. Crabbe at least still has potential.

And I've said it before, but Crabbe's numbers as a starter compare very favorably to Wes before his injury.

This was from the article I wrote a few weeks back - "Even more enticing is Crabbe’s numbers as starter, though we only have a small sample size to look at. During a stretch of 8 games this season where Damian Lillard was out with an injury, Crabbe slid into the starting lineup and put up 15.9 ppg, 43.6% from the field, 39% from three, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.5 assists in 32 minutes per game. Just for comparisons sake, Wesley Matthews averaged 15.9 ppg, 44.8% from the field, 38.9% from three, 3.7 rebounds, and 2.3 assists in 33.7 minutes per game in 2014-2015, and he was signed to a max contract by the Dallas Mavericks last summer."

https://www.blazersland.com/is-allen-crabbe-due-for-a-big-payday/

 

[Natebishop3]

Yes...it states that up to 6 years. Here is another link that says the same. 0-6 years can get up to $21M.....ridiculous.

http://bballbreakdown.com/2016/02/23/contextualizing-nba-contracts-90-plus-million-salary-cap/

Yikes.... I don't think he would get THAT much.... but again, yikes....

 

[BrianFromWA]

No.

But I submit for the record that Penis Kancer got a max contract last year. Crabbe may not get a max, but I think he can leverage the "I'm a 3-and-D guy" thing for well more than Aminu & Davis collected last year.

 

[Natebishop3]

I would match the 13-15 range. I think that's a movable contract, and I hate the idea of letting someone like Crabbe walk for nothing. But 20+ million? Yeah..... I don't know.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think Harkless is more likely to get a max than Crabbe, just on potential.... but yes, you max him..... unlesa its a ridiculous amount. We can't afford to lose him. We didn't pick up anyone in the draft and it would be a significant loss to the bench. We can always trade him down the line.

My guess would be Crabbe gets more. Throw out the stats, I think the perception is that Crabbe is the more dependable outside shooter of the two and is considered the more valuable player.

 

[Natebishop3]

My guess would be Crabbe gets more. Throw out the stats, I think the perception is that Crabbe is the more dependable outside shooter of the two and is considered the more valuable player.

Crabbe also has a larger body of work. Harkless drifted in and out of the rotation last year. He was traded for table scraps by the Magic. I think he did enough work in the playoffs to warrant a decent contract offer, but he's not going to get the type of big money deals that Crabbe will. I think teams look at Crabbe and they see a starting 3/D guy. Recent history has shown that those 3&D guys get sizable offers (IE Green and Wes)

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

yes

 

[Rhal]

It really depends where we are in FA. If we have used our cap space and we really have nothing to work with then sure i'd match. We are a young team in a good cap situaiton but this is the only year we will be in a good cap situation, overpaying Crabbe doesn't mean we will be screwed in the future because we wont have capspace in the next few years with Dames contract/CJ extension and a few others getting a pay raise.

 

[Rhal]

I'm also all about never losing an asset for nothing. Crabbe will have trade value in a year or two if he continues to improve. Same reason i'd match a relatively big offer for Leonard, unique skill set that is wanted around the league and is young and has the "potential" tag still on him so you can definitely find a trade partner down the road.

 

[TBpup]

In a more normal year when salaries are adjusted out for the higher cap, I think he gets somewhere in the $10-14M range. In this year with salaries not caught up to the cap and with so many teams having a ton of money to spend, he is likely to get an offer higher than what a bench/role player would typically get.

For as much as I like him, you still have to have some salary cap balance for down the road. Going into the 2017-2018 season, Portland's salaries could look something like this and I'm just throwing out an average of $13 million for Crabbe, Leonard and Harkless ... who knows what they get? I'll also throw in Whiteside just for an example of what a FA would do to our cap going forward.

Lillard ------ $26M
McCollum - $22M
Whiteside---$22M
Crabbe-------$13M
Leonard------$13M
Harkless------$13M
Aminu -------$7.3M
Davis----------$6.3M
Vonleh--------$3.5M
Connaughton$1.1M
Montero -----$1.1M
Player W------$1.1M
Player X-------$1.1M
Player Y-------$1.1M
Player Z-------$1.1M
______________

Total--------$132,700,000

That is with only one FA signed this season and letting Kaman, Henderson and Roberts leave with 4 guys at very low salaries taking their place. That puts them WAY over the salary cap and they've really only signed one player....Whiteside. That is why I don't think you can give Crabbe that much money or if you do, you have to let Harkless or Leonard go. I don't see how you keep all 3 going forward.

 

[ripcityboy]

My guess would be Crabbe gets more. Throw out the stats, I think the perception is that Crabbe is the more dependable outside shooter of the two and is considered the more valuable player.

I loved what I saw from Harkless but yes he is streaky as hell.

 

[noknobs]

So you're essentially asking if I'd match 21m/yr for Crabbe...?

Haha, no.

Actually on second thought - fuck no.

 

[Natebishop3]

Man.... I'm still on the "trade CJ" band wagon (for the right price.)

Those numbers from 82games.com really cement my resolve. I think Crabbe can be a very solid starting shooting guard.

 

[TBpup]

Man.... I'm still on the "trade CJ" band wagon (for the right price.)

Those numbers from 82games.com really cement my resolve. I think Crabbe can be a very solid starting shooting guard.

I would consider it as well because while Dame/CJ are a very good offensive backcourt, they are so out of balance because defensively they can give up even more than they score. If Crabbe could step in to be a starter and give you 17-18 points will getting more rebounds and playing better defense, I think you have to look at that. Now you'll need another play-maker because CJ is one of the few that can take that pressure off of Dame. Montero has the skills but not the experience and Aminu is still an adventure almost every time he puts the ball on the floor.

Getting a nice (bigger) combo guard to come off the bench behind Dame/Crabbe is your could get something like Okafor+ for CJ might be a heck of a deal. CJ is worth a lot because he is a 20 ppg scorer on a minuscule contract for another year and then possibly team control for even another year after that.

Portland's back court needs to play defense. Curry/Thompson, Westbrook/Olidipo, even Wiggins/Dunn/Rubio all can score and all are much better defensively than Dame/CJ. 2 of those 3 are exactly who you will have to go through to make more than a small dent in the playoffs.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Too gaudy.

Big money goes to starters, maybe 6th man of the year type players. Crabbe will be neither of those.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Hell no

 

[Natebishop3]

I would consider it as well because while Dame/CJ are a very good offensive backcourt, they are so out of balance because defensively they can give up even more than they score. If Crabbe could step in to be a starter and give you 17-18 points will getting more rebounds and playing better defense, I think you have to look at that. Now you'll need another play-maker because CJ is one of the few that can take that pressure off of Dame. Montero has the skills but not the experience and Aminu is still an adventure almost every time he puts the ball on the floor.

Getting a nice (bigger) combo guard to come off the bench behind Dame/Crabbe is your could get something like Okafor+ for CJ might be a heck of a deal. CJ is worth a lot because he is a 20 ppg scorer on a minuscule contract for another year and then possibly team control for even another year after that.

Portland's back court needs to play defense. Curry/Thompson, Westbrook/Olidipo, even Wiggins/Dunn/Rubio all can score and all are much better defensively than Dame/CJ. 2 of those 3 are exactly who you will have to go through to make more than a small dent in the playoffs.

It sucks because I would LOVE to get Jimmy Butler for CJ, but that negates the advantage of having Crabbe, unless you're playing Butler at the three. Hmmm actually.....

CJ/Davis/Aminu to Chicago for Butler and Mirotic.

Max money to Whiteside or Howard.

Dame
Crabbe
Butler
Mirotic
Whiteside

That's a significantly improved defensive unit, with more offensive firepower at the small forward and center spot.

 

[Blazinaway]

Crabbes an okay rotation player, I just don't get all the "love" he seems to get