If Kidd goes, VC must go

[Jizzy]

blame Thorn for not trading VC last year for whatever we can manage but if we let go of Kidd (which will happen), VC has to go. We cant be tied to his bad contract anymore. We need capspace so we can sign young free agents, (Thorn will proabaly sign Kevin Willis). My offer that I red on another boardP: VC to Miami for Ricky Davis, Dorrwel Wright and Blount or another filler.</p>

 

[Shotzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

blame Thorn for not trading VC last year for whatever we can manage but if we let go of Kidd (which will happen), VC has to go. We cant be tied to his bad contract anymore. We need capspace so we can sign young free agents, (Thorn will proabaly sign Kevin Willis). My offer that I red on another boardP: VC to Miami for Ricky Davis, Dorrwel Wright and Blount or another filler.</p>

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He must go. But won't. He is Ratner's big ticket for the move to Brooklyn. The only way that Ratner would allow VC to leave is if we got Kobe or Lebron back in return. And the odds of that happening are pretty slim.</p>

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[Jizzy]

aw man</p>

 

[ToddMacCulloch11]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shotzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

blame Thorn for not trading VC last year for whatever we can manage but if we let go of Kidd (which will happen), VC has to go. We cant be tied to his bad contract anymore. We need capspace so we can sign young free agents, (Thorn will proabaly sign Kevin Willis). My offer that I red on another boardP: VC to Miami for Ricky Davis, Dorrwel Wright and Blount or another filler.</p>

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</p>

He must go. But won't. He is Ratner's big ticket for the move to Brooklyn. The only way that Ratner would allow VC to leave is if we got Kobe or Lebron back in return. And the odds of that happening are pretty slim.</p>

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</p>

True. Carter isn't going to bring back another superstar...and he may not be the star he once was, but he's still a name a casual fan can recognize. They're not going to make the move without some "star" power on the roster.</p>

 

[Dark Defender]

Now the question is how long before Carter starts pouding like Kidd?</p>

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Now the question is how long before Carter starts pouding like Kidd?</p>

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That's a joke.</p>

He's in no position to pout about anything.</p>

He's a ridiculously overpaid non-superstar who's lucky his owner sees him as a marketing asset.</p>

</p>

 

[uptown4784]

If Kidd goes, Collins must go</p>

 

[Dumpy]

You've lost it. While you could make an argument that the Nets should deal Carter (I'm not giving my opinion), his contract is NOT "bad." As I'm sure you recall, by opting out, Carter renegotiated a longer term contract at a much lower salary. This year, he's getting $13,000,000, down from last season, when he made about $15 million. If he hadn't opted uot, he would have made about $16 million this year. Next year, he'll be getting roughly $15M, then going up about a million a year for the legnth of the deal. To put that in perspective: That's $6M less than Kidd both this year and next year. His $13M salary ranks him somewhere around #40 league-wide. I think it is QUITE reasonable--especially when you consider that there are about a dozen players that are making $19 million or more.</p>

If Kidd was in the same position--that is, with the opportunity to opt out--do you think he'd accept a contract that would pay him less per year? If Kidd was paid $17 M instead of $20M, don't you think the team would be better?</p>

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

You've lost it. While you could make an argument that the Nets should deal Carter (I'm not giving my opinion), his contract is NOT "bad." As I'm sure you recall, by opting out, Carter renegotiated a longer term contract at a much lower salary. This year, he's getting $13,000,000, down from last season, when he made about $15 million. If he hadn't opted uot, he would have made about $16 million this year. Next year, he'll be getting roughly $15M, then going up about a million a year for the legnth of the deal. To put that in perspective: That's $6M less than Kidd both this year and next year. His $13M salary ranks him somewhere around #40 league-wide. I think it is QUITE reasonable--especially when you consider that there are about a dozen players that are making $19 million or more.</p>

If Kidd was in the same position--that is, with the opportunity to opt out--do you think he'd accept a contract that would pay him less per year? If Kidd was paid $17 M instead of $20M, don't you think the team would be better?</p>

</div></p>

Carter should be drawing that salary from another team, one that isn't trying to win.</p>

So this great contract for a guy who is a shell of what he used to be escalates and that's what makes it great??</p>

Who exactly were the Nets bidding against?</p>

</p>

 

[kobe23]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

blame Thorn for not trading VC last year for whatever we can manage but if we let go of Kidd (which will happen), VC has to go. We cant be tied to his bad contract anymore. We need capspace so we can sign young free agents, (Thorn will proabaly sign Kevin Willis). My offer that I red on another boardP: VC to Miami for Ricky Davis, Dorrwel Wright and Blount or another filler.</p>

</div></p>

Why not trade send VC to Minny for young guns who arent being used anymore like foye and green? Al Jefferson and VC would be a great duo</p>

VC for Ratliff's contract, Gerald green and Marko Jaric? Thats a better deal than what Philly got for AI</p>

</p>

 

[Dumpy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

You've lost it. While you could make an argument that the Nets should deal Carter (I'm not giving my opinion), his contract is NOT "bad." As I'm sure you recall, by opting out, Carter renegotiated a longer term contract at a much lower salary. This year, he's getting $13,000,000, down from last season, when he made about $15 million. If he hadn't opted uot, he would have made about $16 million this year. Next year, he'll be getting roughly $15M, then going up about a million a year for the legnth of the deal. To put that in perspective: That's $6M less than Kidd both this year and next year. His $13M salary ranks him somewhere around #40 league-wide. I think it is QUITE reasonable--especially when you consider that there are about a dozen players that are making $19 million or more.</p>

If Kidd was in the same position--that is, with the opportunity to opt out--do you think he'd accept a contract that would pay him less per year? If Kidd was paid $17 M instead of $20M, don't you think the team would be better?</p>

</div></p>

Carter should be drawing that salary from another team, one that isn't trying to win.</p>

So this great contract for a guy who is a shell of what he used to be escalates and that's what makes it great??</p>

Who exactly were the Nets bidding against?</p>

</p>

</div></p>

</p>

I'm kind of ignoring the escalation bit. It's quite reasonable for the next few years, though. The last year of the deal is a bit much.</p>

Carter is playing like shit right now, but his salary is right in line with that of the first or second options onother teams that are not on their rookie deals. Among that class of player, he's at least average. Of course, a number of teams are relying heavily on young players to carry the offensive load, and they aren't comparable for that reason. If we take a team at random that (1) is not in complete rebuilding mode (Portland, Seattle, Minnesota,Philly, etc.) and (2) eliminate the teams with wildly disproportionate salaries (NY, Dallas, Denver) that don't seem to care about the salary cap, like, say, Houston, we find a guy like T-Mac getting $19 million. Against that backdrop, Vince's salary seems pretty reasonable to me.</p>

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

You've lost it. While you could make an argument that the Nets should deal Carter (I'm not giving my opinion), his contract is NOT "bad." As I'm sure you recall, by opting out, Carter renegotiated a longer term contract at a much lower salary. This year, he's getting $13,000,000, down from last season, when he made about $15 million. If he hadn't opted uot, he would have made about $16 million this year. Next year, he'll be getting roughly $15M, then going up about a million a year for the legnth of the deal. To put that in perspective: That's $6M less than Kidd both this year and next year. His $13M salary ranks him somewhere around #40 league-wide. I think it is QUITE reasonable--especially when you consider that there are about a dozen players that are making $19 million or more.</p>

If Kidd was in the same position--that is, with the opportunity to opt out--do you think he'd accept a contract that would pay him less per year? If Kidd was paid $17 M instead of $20M, don't you think the team would be better?</p>

</div></p>

Carter should be drawing that salary from another team, one that isn't trying to win.</p>

So this great contract for a guy who is a shell of what he used to be escalates and that's what makes it great??</p>

Who exactly were the Nets bidding against?</p>

</p>

</div></p>

Well, the one good thing about it is the Nets finally have a crappy contract to trade with a young chip if they ever want to aquire an unhappy veteran.</p>

</p>

I'm kind of ignoring the escalation bit. It's quite reasonable for the next few years, though. The last year of the deal is a bit much.</p>

Carter is playing like shit right now, but his salary is right in line with that of the first or second options onother teams that are not on their rookie deals. Among that class of player, he's at least average. Of course, a number of teams are relying heavily on young players to carry the offensive load, and they aren't comparable for that reason. If we take a team at random that (1) is not in complete rebuilding mode (Portland, Seattle, Minnesota,Philly, etc.) and (2) eliminate the teams with wildly disproportionate salaries (NY, Dallas, Denver) that don't seem to care about the salary cap, like, say, Houston, we find a guy like T-Mac getting $19 million. Against that backdrop, Vince's salary seems pretty reasonable to me.</p>

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</p>

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

You've lost it. While you could make an argument that the Nets should deal Carter (I'm not giving my opinion), his contract is NOT "bad." As I'm sure you recall, by opting out, Carter renegotiated a longer term contract at a much lower salary. This year, he's getting $13,000,000, down from last season, when he made about $15 million. If he hadn't opted uot, he would have made about $16 million this year. Next year, he'll be getting roughly $15M, then going up about a million a year for the legnth of the deal. To put that in perspective: That's $6M less than Kidd both this year and next year. His $13M salary ranks him somewhere around #40 league-wide. I think it is QUITE reasonable--especially when you consider that there are about a dozen players that are making $19 million or more.</p>

If Kidd was in the same position--that is, with the opportunity to opt out--do you think he'd accept a contract that would pay him less per year? If Kidd was paid $17 M instead of $20M, don't you think the team would be better?</p>

</div></p>

Carter should be drawing that salary from another team, one that isn't trying to win.</p>

So this great contract for a guy who is a shell of what he used to be escalates and that's what makes it great??</p>

Who exactly were the Nets bidding against?</p>

</p>

</div></p>

</p>

I'm kind of ignoring the escalation bit. It's quite reasonable for the next few years, though. The last year of the deal is a bit much.</p>

Carter is playing like shit right now, but his salary is right in line with that of the first or second options onother teams that are not on their rookie deals. Among that class of player, he's at least average. Of course, a number of teams are relying heavily on young players to carry the offensive load, and they aren't comparable for that reason. If we take a team at random that (1) is not in complete rebuilding mode (Portland, Seattle, Minnesota,Philly, etc.) and (2) eliminate the teams with wildly disproportionate salaries (NY, Dallas, Denver) that don't seem to care about the salary cap, like, say, Houston, we find a guy like T-Mac getting $19 million. Against that backdrop, Vince's salary seems pretty reasonable to me.</p>

</div></p>

Well, the one good thing about it is the Nets finally have a crappy contract to trade with a young chip if they ever want to acquire an unhappy veteran.</p>

</p>

 

[Kidd Karma]

Not necessarily, it depends on how, what Thorn gets back for Kidd. Kidd and VC as we've seen won't mesh as basketball players. Both are creators for others or themselves. Both need the ball in their hands. If Thorn can get a guy like O'Neal, Gasol or a legit proven big, Gooden, he's building to compete. Now if he gets garbage, Brown, Radman, Farmar and Crittenton, then yea, Carter has to go to the highest bidder.</p>

 

[Real]

Where the hell could we trade Carter?</p>

 

[kdub]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (uptown4784)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

If Kidd goes, Collins must go</p>

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</p>

</p>

 

[Kid Chocolate]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobe23)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

blame Thorn for not trading VC last year for whatever we can manage but if we let go of Kidd (which will happen), VC has to go. We cant be tied to his bad contract anymore. We need capspace so we can sign young free agents, (Thorn will proabaly sign Kevin Willis). My offer that I red on another boardP: VC to Miami for Ricky Davis, Dorrwel Wright and Blount or another filler.</p>

</div></p>

Why not trade send VC to Minny for young guns who arent being used anymore like foye and green? Al Jefferson and VC would be a great duo</p>

VC for Ratliff's contract, Gerald green and Marko Jaric? Thats a better deal than what Philly got for AI</p>

</p>

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Foye has been hurt, it's not that he's 'not being used anymore'.</p>

</p>

 

[pegs]

The only way I'd wanna see Marko Jaric on this team is if he wears a mask and brings Adriana Lima (wearing lingerie) to every game.</p>

 

[Shapecity]

Who should go first Kidd or Frank?</p>

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

The only way I'd wanna see Marko Jaric on this team is if he wears a mask and brings Adriana Lima (wearing nothing) to every game.</p>

</div></p>

</p>

Fixed it for you.</p>

 

[Jizzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Where the hell could we trade Carter?</p>

</div></p>

first of all, there's no need to cuss. second of all, the Miami trade could happen if the Heat get desperate,</p>

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Where the hell could we trade Carter?</p>

</div></p>

first of all, there's no need to cuss. second of all, the Miami trade could happen if the Heat get desperate,</p>

</div></p>

Yum, the thought of rebuilding around Ricky Davis is just delicious</p>

</p>

 

[Jizzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Where the hell could we trade Carter?</p>

</div></p>

first of all, there's no need to cuss. second of all, the Miami trade could happen if the Heat get desperate,</p>

</div></p>

Yum, the thought of rebuilding around Ricky Davis is just delicious</p>

</p>

</div></p>

no, he's an expiring contract. let him come off the books after this year. we can resign Derrell Wright tho.</p>

 

[Jizzy]

VC to denver for K-Mart and JR Smith</p>

 

[GMJ]

So trading Carter for Dorell Wright? :-/</p>

 

[jarkid]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kobe23)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

blame Thorn for not trading VC last year for whatever we can manage but if we let go of Kidd (which will happen), VC has to go. We cant be tied to his bad contract anymore. We need capspace so we can sign young free agents, (Thorn will proabaly sign Kevin Willis). My offer that I red on another boardP: VC to Miami for Ricky Davis, Dorrwel Wright and Blount or another filler.</p>

</div></p>

Why not trade send VC to Minny for young guns who arent being used anymore like foye and green? Al Jefferson and VC would be a great duo</p>

VC for Ratliff's contract, Gerald green and Marko Jaric? Thats a better deal than what Philly got for AI</p>

</p>

</div></p>

</p>

If Carter and Al are good, why hadn't Vince chosen to play with CB4?</p>

 

[Jizzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

So trading Carter for Dorell Wright? :-/</p>

</div></p>

capspace as well and Dorrel is good young player.</p>

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

So trading Carter for Dorell Wright? :-/</p>

</div></p>

capspace as well and Dorrel is good young player.</p>

</div></p>

Yeah, but we can do a lot better for Vince Carter. Plus capspace is only worth something if you have a bunch of young talent to resign, or if you're grabbing a FA. FA's aren't going to want to come to New Jersey; hell it took us to be a playoff team with a HOF pg to land...jamaal magloire.</p>

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[King John da FiF]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Now the question is how long before Carter starts pouding like Kidd?</p>

</div></p>

That's a joke.</p>

He's in no position to pout about anything.</p>

He's a ridiculously overpaid non-superstar who's lucky his owner sees him as a marketing asset.</p>

</p>

</div></p>

Over payed? No one on the nets team is more overpayed than jason kidd. Vince has more talent than anyone on the team.</p>

 

[King John da FiF]

Carter to miami for ricky davis sounds good. Carter and shaq are pretty close.</p>