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Is Oden ...

  • a bust, but still a serviceable player.

    Votes: 11 25.0%

  • an improving player, and he'll be the player he was hyped to be.

    Votes: 30 68.2%

  • good enough, I never thought he would be that good anyway.

    Votes: 3 6.8%
  • Total voters
    44
Uncle Ty said:
So if Oden averages this (24min, 10pts, 7.5rebs, 1.0blks, 1.0ast, 1.5to, fg 55%, ft 65%) next season, would you consider him a bust? This would pretty much assumes him being healthy but will still have the foul problems.

I would say he would be a bust, because I just don't see a guy playing at that level and all of the sudden improves to being a perennial all-star level player. And let's face it, if Oden isn't at least a 2-3 all-star player, many would consider him a bust. This doesn't mean he wouldn't be a serviceable player or that we need to "get rid" of him. But he would be a bust, imo.

I think Oden has A LOT of work to do this summer. I want him to come into training camp lean (around 265lbs). He's also got to work on his footwork. Right now, Oden is just slow footed. I also am hoping to see he regain some of his athleticism back.
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I think he'd be heading down the road of a bust. You give him 3 more MPG and he averages 1 more point and .5 more rebounds? Yeah, that ain't good. Especially after an entire offseason of preparation. I think his ceiling would officially be lowered, significantly.

I mean heck, Kwame Brown and Michael Olowokandi had seasons where they put up better numbers than that.
 
He's none of the above ... he's still pretty much an unknown quantity. If he stays healthy and can learn to cut the fouls down then I'd say he'll eventually be at least a 15/10/2 guy, which may never live up the ridiculous "next Bill Russell" hype, but plenty good enough for this team.
 
Nikolokolus said:
He's none of the above ... he's still pretty much an unknown quantity. If he stays healthy and can learn to cut the fouls down then I'd say he'll eventually be at least a 15/10/2 guy, which may never live up the ridiculous "next Bill Russell" hype, but plenty good enough for this team.
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What's funny is that most people expected him to be a 15/10/2 player this season, including myself. Now we're just hoping he can get there someday. I think it's no big secret that he's been a disappointment, I just wish people would stop making excuses for him.
 
OdenRoyLMA2 said:
What's funny is that most people expected him to be a 15/10/2 player this season, including myself. Now we're just hoping he can get there someday. I think it's no big secret that he's been a disappointment, I just wish people would stop making excuses for him.
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Yeah I remember reading people saying this in the off-season/pre-season and I thought it was pretty optimistic for a guy who hadn't played ball in a year and a half and was coming off of a major knee injury, I think my expectations were more like 12/9/1.5, but I also assumed he'd average closer to 28 minutes a game :dunno:

Am I making excuses? Maybe, but it is what it is, there's no point in sweating it, it's in the books, now we see what happens going forward.
 
It takes at least a year after microfracture to get your legs back. G.O. has shown the ability to be a pretty good defensive player for just his rookie season. He needs to work a lot on his offensive game this summer. Develop some type of go-to move that he is comfortable with. He needs to learn how to stay on the floor, and there's no reason to think IMO that he'll be a great player for us.
 
OdenRoyLMA2 said:
What's funny is that most people expected him to be a 15/10/2 player this season, including myself. Now we're just hoping he can get there someday.
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Nik said "at least," he didn't suggest that that's the best to hope for.

Oden would have been a 15/10/2 player this season if he hadn't been so foul-prone. Is it his fault that he's foul-prone? Yes. But fouls being the only thing holding him back from the season people envisioned from him is hardly horrible or bust-like.

And this is despite not being fully recovered from microfracture. There's a fairly large difference between "excuses" and actual factors that describe the reality of what happened.

If he has another season like this one next year, when he's presumably recovered from the surgery and has had a season of experience and an off-season to train, then there's something to worry about.
 
Too soon to tell, but it looks doubtful that he will ever fulfill the highest expectations.
 
Uncle Ty said:
So if Oden averages this (24min, 10pts, 7.5rebs, 1.0blks, 1.0ast, 1.5to, fg 55%, ft 65%) next season, would you consider him a bust? This would pretty much assumes him being healthy but will still have the foul problems.
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Yes. Hell, I expected better numbers from him this year.

Overall, this season has been a disappointment for GO. I don't see any tangible progress from the start of the year to now.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Yes. Hell, I expected better numbers from him this year.

Overall, this season has been a disappointment for GO. I don't see any tangible progress from the start of the year to now.
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He actually looked A LOT better at the start of the year. The 20/15 game against Golden State and a few other double/doubles after that and then *bam* he reverts to a player that hurts the team more than he helps.

He progressively got worse as the season went along.
 
Fez said:
He actually looked A LOT better at the start of the year. The 20/15 game against Golden State and a few other double/doubles after that and then *bam* he reverts to a player that hurts the team more than he helps.

He progressively got worse as the season went along.
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Might have something to do with injuring his other knee and missing 15 games? Just throwing that out there
 
Considering he would start the game on the bench with either a heating pad or an icepack on his left knee (the one he chipped) I'd wager it's still been bothering him.
 
Oden saved his worst for last

My God, just when we thought it couldn't get any worse . . .

Oden commits 2 fouls in 2 minutes to start the game, loses the ball yet again while trying to back Yao down, fumbles away a good pass, misses a wide-open dunk, etc., etc. It's a comedy of errors with him every night.

Somebody please tell me this kid learned a single thing this season, because I can't see it. Sure, he had a few good games, but in hindsight they seem more like luck than anything else. He has lousy footwork, lousy reaction time, lousy instincts, etc., etc. And he has the worst hands of any big man I have ever seen. The guy drops more passes and gets more balls knocked out of his hands than anybody I can remember.

I hate to end this season on a negative note, but I just had to get this off my chest. Greg Oden is a PROJECT. Not a No. 1 pick, but a PROJECT. He has a long, long way to go, and I hope to God he starts getting there one of these days. Right now, it ain't lookin' too promising.
 
Re: Oden saved his worst for last

Seriously? How many of these fucking threads do we need?
 
Re: Oden saved his worst for last

Nikolokolus said:
Seriously? How many of these fucking threads do we need?
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Sorry, but it's the end of the year and I have to vent. I hope I regret this thread next year when Oden is tearing up the league. I really do.
 
Re: Oden saved his worst for last

More like the entire team outside of Roy and LaMarcus saved their worst for last.
 
Uncle Ty said:
Could be, and I'm actually hoping this is the case. A crappy Oden because of injury is better than a healthy crappy Oden, I guess.
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I'm going to take a wager and say that little chip is still floating around in his knee is going to be removed in the next few weeks and then everyone will freak out because of a minor surgery to remove floating debris.

But that is just a wager. And it would explain some things.
 
Re: Oden saved his worst for last

Certainly discouraging heading into next season, for him and the fans. His confidence level has to be at an all-time low.

I'm still not convinced he even loves the game. He has some of the worst body language I've ever seen, he makes basketball seem more like a job than anything.
 
The strange thing is, all of the experts said Oden was a "can't miss" kind of player. I guess he fooled us all.
 
Another problem is that Greg receives some of the worst passes possible. Only Rudy really gets the ball to nicely with that little sweeping pass to him.

Tonight Roy threw the ball at Greg's feet with two guys defending Greg. Earlier in the series Roy threw a weak pass to him for a lob that got intercepted. That's nothing against Roy it is just something he and Greg need to work on this summer to develop a great pick and roll tandem.
 
i think most had way to have of expectations to start with. his offensive game was extremely raw coming into the league but most seemed to ignore this when we drafted him and made him out to be the next duncan/shaq/russell. it takes time for the big guys to get acclimated to the game. think about, until this season he's probably never been on a court where someone could look him square in the eye. he dominated at every level without ever really having to learn effective moves. now he's playing against the best of the best and history has shown us that big men progress much slower than guards. the game over the next couple years will slow down and he should spend the entire offseason working with a bigs coach learning some post moves. he isn't the savior that the media/blazers pr made him out to be but he doesn't have to be a savior.

i will end with this, yao ming was considered a bust his first two years in the league and many were calling him a stiff and that he'd never make it. i know we live in a, reactionary/what have you done for me lately, culture but let the kid grow. if we are having this convo in two years then i'll be worried.
 
Who called Yao a bust? In his 2nd year he was an 18 and 9 player with 2 blocks. I'd take that from Oden knowing what we know now.
 
OdenRoyLMA2 said:
What's funny is that most people expected him to be a 15/10/2 player this season, including myself. Now we're just hoping he can get there someday. I think it's no big secret that he's been a disappointment, I just wish people would stop making excuses for him.
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the funny thing is that oden actually produced at the same rate as a 15/10/2 player, most people just don't realize it because he wasn't on the court enough with his foul trouble.
 
Uncle Ty said:
I don't think Oden fooled us. I think the injury pretty much turned Oden into a different (for the worse) kind of player. He is no longer the gazelle running the floor, no longer the freak athlete big man who can simply overwhelm his opponents with his sheer athleticism. He's now a slow, lumbering big man who has to use his strength to overpower his opponent.
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I am confident we will see a similar to college Oden next year after an off-season of conditioning (and not a year of mindless upper body weight lifting) and working solely on moves.

You could see some of his quickness coming back in this series in spurts and that was comforting as it is just a bit past the 18 month mark (which is usually pin pointed for starting to regain your full quickness and athleticism after the surgery).
 
Minstrel said:
Oden would have been a 15/10/2 player this season if he hadn't been so foul-prone. Is it his fault that he's foul-prone? Yes. But fouls being the only thing holding him back from the season people envisioned from him is hardly horrible or bust-like.
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is it his fault that he's foul prone? partially. oden can't do anything about some of the ridiculous calls made against him. next season he won't be a rookie anymore. i bet that's enough to eliminate a foul a game just from the refs calling him differently solely because he isn't a rookie.
 
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