Trade If push comes to shove: Dame Lillard or Shaedon Sharpe

[Mr. Robot]

as we all know, dame lillard wants to win or at least compete for the chip with the portland trail blazers, so naturally he wants a competitive team and in order for that to happen, front office will have to make a big trade, one that would certainly require shaedon sharpe, as any sane general manager would rather have shaedon sharpe than anfernee simons (this is not bashing simons, but the reality is that sharpe is 4 years younger and obviously with higher upside on both ends of the floor)

if front office says NO to trading sharpe, that big trade wont happen and dame lillard will ask out, which would be heartbreaking for all of us, as we all would like to see dame lillard play his entire career in rip city

CONSIDER THIS: Would that big trade really make Portland Trail Blazers a legit contender

PS I know that we could possibly pull a big trade with Simons + this years pick + other picks, but this is about Sharpe only

 

[Hoopguru]

If the right player is made available and they want Sharpe, it should be considered imo. Say if Siakam was the player made available and we had include Shae, not sure you pass that up.

 

[Mr. Robot]

If the right player is made available and they want Sharpe, it should be considered imo. Say if Siakam was the player made available and we had include Shae, not sure you pass that up.

let me tell you right away, if the trail blazers want siakam or og anunoby, raptors would gladly take sharpe, but of course, we would need to add more salary, so simons would have to be included as well (they have poeltl, so they wouldnt take nurk)

then, they can see what to do with simons, test him and see how it goes, if he does/fits well, they could keep him or if not, they could trade him

that being said, im not trading sharpe for siakam or og anunoby, its not worth as far as im concerned (simons + picks, maybe, but not for sharpe)

 

[Hoopguru]

let me tell you right away, if the trail blazers want siakam or og anunoby, raptors would gladly take sharpe, but of course, we would need to add more salary, so simons would have to be included as well (they have poeltl, so they wouldnt take nurk)

then, they can see what to do with simons, test him and see how it goes, if he does/fits well, they could keep him or if not, they could trade him

that being said, im not trading sharpe for siakam or og anunoby, its not a worth as far as im concerned

A player like Siakam I would consider but not Anunoby.

 

[Mr. Robot]

A player like Siakam I would consider but not Anunoby.

lillard, thybulle, grant, siakam & nurk, its a really good starting five on paper (maybe we would try to get someone else at guard or/and center positions)

still, if we dont become a legit contender (and im not convinced we would become one), im not ready to deal sharpe, im just a big believer in the kid, he has an all-star written all over him

 

[Hoopguru]

lillard, thybulle, grant, siakam & nurk, its a really good starting five on paper (maybe we would try to get someone else at guard or/and center positions)

still, if we dont become a legit contender (and im not convinced we would become one), im not ready to deal sharpe, im just a big believer in the kid, he has an all-star written all over him

Yeah I like him as well. It would need to be the right All Star coming back our way.

 

[tykendo]

lillard, thybulle, grant, siakam & nurk, its a really good starting five on paper (maybe we would try to get someone else at guard or/and center positions)

still, if we dont become a legit contender (and im not convinced we would become one), im not ready to deal sharpe, im just a big believer in the kid, he has an all-star written all over him

Plenty of good shooting guards available next season . I really like Nurk, but he's such a conundrum. 1st, can he stay healthy. 2nd, can he play more consistently at his highest potential. We all hope so. Fingers crossed on that one.

 

[tykendo]

Of course, if the Blazers get Wemby, it's moot point. Wemby, Grant, Bridges, Sharpe , and Dame.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I can't imagine a scenerio in which we'd have to choose... We could have added Randle and the #10 last season in exchange for #7.

We picked Sharpe for a reason. He is a part of Dame's championship team.

 

[Tince]

I can't imagine a scenerio in which we'd have to choose... We could have added Randle and the #10 last season in exchange for #7.

We picked Sharpe for a reason. He is a part of Dame's championship team.

Agreed there doesn't appear to be any reason to have to make the choice.

However, if there was, this shouldn't be close at all. You pick Dame in a second.

 

[Mr. Robot]

I can't imagine a scenerio in which we'd have to choose... We could have added Randle and the #10 last season in exchange for #7.

We picked Sharpe for a reason. He is a part of Dame's championship team.

it depends on other teams general managers, if we can get an all-star caliber player for simons + picks, that would be ideal, but like i said previously, any sane gm will ask for sharpe and stay persistent with it knowing we have to satisfy dame lillard, so we are likely to find ourselves with our back against the wall... to me, its easy to envision that scenario, but hopefully not

 

[Pinwheel1]

I love Siakam. He is exactly who we need, Having said that Toronto has a shit load of talent, and is still under 500.
So I am not sure I would risk our future to get him. We would need to send out 35 million during the draft to get him. (38 million this summer) What worries me is that he is a free agent in a year. Now I would give up Nurk, Ant, and our 2 first-round picks.

 

[Mr. Robot]

I can't imagine a scenerio in which we'd have to choose... We could have added Randle and the #10 last season in exchange for #7.

We picked Sharpe for a reason. He is a part of Dame's championship team.

there were rumors about dealing 7th pick for og anunoby, but ultimately nothing happened

maybe trail blazers became unwilling to deal 7th pick once it became clear that sharpe was available or maybe raptors had no interest in sharpe at that time (apparently they liked mathurin a lot, so maybe they would make a deal if mathurin was available)

 

[Phatguysrule]

there were rumors about dealing 7th pick for og anunoby, but ultimately nothing happened

maybe trail blazers became unwilling to deal 7th pick once it became clear that sharpe was available or maybe raptors had no interest in sharpe at that time (apparently they liked mathurin a lot, so maybe they would make a deal if mathurin was available)

There were good deals for legit all star caliber players available.

We chose Sharpe instead.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Agreed there doesn't appear to be any reason to have to make the choice.

However, if there was, this shouldn't be close at all. You pick Dame in a second.

Agreed.

 

[Hoopguru]

Joe needs to hit a home run this off season one way or the other.

 

[Ed O]

There's no path to Dame being on a championship contender in Portland. None. We can't even build a playoff team around him... we're not going to make a trade and leapfrog over 10 or 20 other NBA teams.

Therefore, we should keep Sharpe rather than throwing more of our future down a futile effort to build around Dame.

 

[illmatic99]

Agreed there doesn't appear to be any reason to have to make the choice.

However, if there was, this shouldn't be close at all. You pick Dame in a second.

he isn't slowing down and had his best season yet.

he's an ambassador for the franchise and city.

he's locked in contractually and embedded in the community.

obvious choice.

 

[theprunetang]

There's no path to Dame being on a championship contender in Portland. None. We can't even build a playoff team around him... we're not going to make a trade and leapfrog over 10 or 20 other NBA teams.

Therefore, we should keep Sharpe rather than throwing more of our future down a futile effort to build around Dame.

I'm with Ed on this one. It's just cold, hard, uncaring reality.

 

[hoopsjock]

There's no path to Dame being on a championship contender in Portland. None. We can't even build a playoff team around him... we're not going to make a trade and leapfrog over 10 or 20 other NBA teams.

Therefore, we should keep Sharpe rather than throwing more of our future down a futile effort to build around Dame.

Despite what the front office says, until they financially commit to making the playoffs, let alone be championship contenders, how would we ever know if Dame is capable of being a part of a championship team?

Things like not using all your exceptions over the last two years (MLE last year, BAE this year, TPE'S, etc), not addressing holes in the buyout market, not being willing to pay someone like Josh Hart, not accepting any players back in trades that have guaranteed contracts next year, making trades simply with tax evasion as the main priority over talent and asset acquisitions. These things may seem irrelevant individually but how many teams have won a title recently without using every possible method to improve the team?

Let's say this team did trade Dame and went super young. What's gonna happen in 3 or so years when all that young talent needs to get paid if Jody is still the owner? You think she'll be willing to do what it takes then but not now after promising Dame they would? And what happens when the next star we draft or Sharpe or whoever isn't loyal to Portland and wants out?

Trading Dame doesn't solve the problem, it masks it for a few years.

 

[Tince]

he isn't slowing down and had his best season yet.

he's an ambassador for the franchise and city.

he's locked in contractually and embedded in the community.

obvious choice.

 

[Tince]

Despite what the front office says, until they financially commit to making the playoffs, let alone be championship contenders, how would we ever know if Dame is capable of being a part of a championship team?

Things like not using all your exceptions over the last two years (MLE last year, BAE this year, TPE'S, etc), not addressing holes in the buyout market, not being willing to pay someone like Josh Hart, not accepting any players back in trades that have guaranteed contracts next year, making trades simply with tax evasion as the main priority over talent and asset acquisitions. These things may seem irrelevant individually but how many teams have won a title recently without using every possible method to improve the team?

Let's say this team did trade Dame and went super young. What's gonna happen in 3 or so years when all that young talent needs to get paid if Jody is still the owner? You think she'll be willing to do what it takes then but not now after promising Dame they would? And what happens when the next star we draft or Sharpe or whoever isn't loyal to Portland and wants out?

Trading Dame doesn't solve the problem, it masks it for a few years.

Well said, very well said!

 

[Ed O]

Despite what the front office says, until they financially commit to making the playoffs, let alone be championship contenders, how would we ever know if Dame is capable of being a part of a championship team?

Dude's been in the NBA for over a decade. He's almost 33 years old. He's going to be making a RIDICULOUS amount of money as he gets older.

However difficult it was to win big with him when he was younger and cheaper, it's only going to get more difficult. Ownership is not really relevant to that reality.

And the team signed Nurk. They signed Ant. Both of those guys are probably making more here than the would have if they'd walked this past summer. We're giving Dame more money than almost any US professional athlete ever. Ownership's alleged unwillingness to spend money just isn't a limiting factor as I see it.

Ownership is definitely not perfect--not interviewing a GM to replace Olshey and then replacing him with a guy who had no track record other than with building mediocre Portland teams wasn't smart, and I think they're too happy to be mediocre rather than facing the reality and trading Dame--but I don't think that any ownership could take this roster and build a championship around Dame. He's too old and the roster is too weak and the future assets are too few.

Let's say this team did trade Dame and went super young. What's gonna happen in 3 or so years when all that young talent needs to get paid if Jody is still the owner? You think she'll be willing to do what it takes then but not now after promising Dame they would? And what happens when the next star we draft or Sharpe or whoever isn't loyal to Portland and wants out?

Trading Dame doesn't solve the problem, it masks it for a few years.

In three years we may be in the same spot as we are now. At least we'd have three years of hope.

Right now we have mediocrity and aged veterans with little to no real chance of doing anything in the playoffs IF we're lucky enough to make them.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Despite what the front office says, until they financially commit to making the playoffs, let alone be championship contenders, how would we ever know if Dame is capable of being a part of a championship team?

Things like not using all your exceptions over the last two years (MLE last year, BAE this year, TPE'S, etc), not addressing holes in the buyout market, not being willing to pay someone like Josh Hart, not accepting any players back in trades that have guaranteed contracts next year, making trades simply with tax evasion as the main priority over talent and asset acquisitions. These things may seem irrelevant individually but how many teams have won a title recently without using every possible method to improve the team?

Let's say this team did trade Dame and went super young. What's gonna happen in 3 or so years when all that young talent needs to get paid if Jody is still the owner? You think she'll be willing to do what it takes then but not now after promising Dame they would? And what happens when the next star we draft or Sharpe or whoever isn't loyal to Portland and wants out?

Trading Dame doesn't solve the problem, it masks it for a few years.

I think she would if we had a chance to contend. Paul has been dead for 5 seasons, hasn't it been only two years where we were not in the top 5-10 in salaries, even though our record was not near the top? She still agrees to overpay for some of our players (ie Dame, Ant, NP, Nurk) so I don't count out the possibility that she would overpay for a contending team. We might not like the strategy that the front office has taken in the last 2 years, but I doubt it has been her idea (or Vulcan's) on how to go about building the roster. If she was not suffering courtside on most nights I might agree with you, but she is too freaking rich to care about overspending for a contending team IMO.

 

[riverman]

Dame's putting up career numbers in year 11......you don't throw that away for a rookie...best case...you keep them both and move Ant....we aren't a team full of old vets...we're a team full of guys in their 20s. Dame is healthy for the first time in 5 years....you honor that in my view and let him win here. We have better scouts under Joe than we had under Neil....let it develop over the summer....as to paying Josh Hart....we choose the bigger guy with the better offensive skills to pay....Josh brought us back a really young 6'9 wing and first round pick...get over that trade, it was a good one considering the circumstances. Josh isn't under contract even with the Knicks...fact is we could still sign Josh Hart this off season, but he wants to be a Knick...win win trade. Joe needs to add a few vets to bolster the bench and a backup pt guard and center...all this is achievable offseason. Dame is happy here. Fuck trading him for a rebuild. Thybulle replaces what we wanted from chronically bench bound Gary Payton II.....both Cam and Matisse will benefit from an actual training camp and offseason to learn the system here. Both are good players moving forward.

 

[TBpup]

Despite what the front office says, until they financially commit to making the playoffs, let alone be championship contenders, how would we ever know if Dame is capable of being a part of a championship team?

Things like not using all your exceptions over the last two years (MLE last year, BAE this year, TPE'S, etc), not addressing holes in the buyout market, not being willing to pay someone like Josh Hart, not accepting any players back in trades that have guaranteed contracts next year, making trades simply with tax evasion as the main priority over talent and asset acquisitions. These things may seem irrelevant individually but how many teams have won a title recently without using every possible method to improve the team?

Let's say this team did trade Dame and went super young. What's gonna happen in 3 or so years when all that young talent needs to get paid if Jody is still the owner? You think she'll be willing to do what it takes then but not now after promising Dame they would? And what happens when the next star we draft or Sharpe or whoever isn't loyal to Portland and wants out?

Trading Dame doesn't solve the problem, it masks it for a few years.

I'm no fan of this ownership, but they went right up to the Lux Tax line with the group this year. Don't agree with how they went about it (GP2) but they were right at the line.....and since the first month of the season, have been one of the worst teams in the league with a 37% winning percentage. Not sure I would want to dump more money into that tire fire. And it's not like players that were here were bricking away.

Payton (the short time he was here) shot 53% from '3'
Jerami Grant has been at a career high 40% from '3'
Trendon Watford....career high 40% from '3'
Thybulle.....a career high 38% from '3'
Little......career high 38% from '3'
Simons......38% from '3'.
Nurkic.....36% from '3'
Sharpe....36% from '3'.

That is 8 different players that you could put around Dame to stretch the floor or make a team pay for double-teaming. And yet it has been an abject disaster. Coaching? Philosophy? Who knows, but it's not like Dame has been surrounded by brick layers who left him with no options. Despite Dame being "the best leader in the NBA", it's been a long time since we have seen a Blazer roster play together in a manner that Blazer fans want to see.

This team certainly needs more length, another player besides Nurk over 6'8", and some dogs on the court that have some attitude and aren't choir boys.

When there is a legitimate shot at having something to really build on, teams spend money because of how much you can make in merchandising and Playoff revenue.

I agree, trading Dame doesn't solve the problem.....but keeping him doesn't fix it either. This franchise has been stuck for years and there doesn't seem like a lot of light at the end of the tunnel.....unless we get REALLY lucky.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Dame nets more.

 

[BankTeller]

If I had to choose between the two, I’d choose Sharpe. However, I wouldn’t just move Dame for the hell of it.

If Dame wanted to leave, then do it. If Dame wants to stay, I’d move Ant.

I wouldn’t move Sharpe for anyone outside of Embiid or Giannis or Doncic or any of the guys we’d have no chance of getting. I don’t think I’d trade Sharpe for Bam.

 

[Strenuus]

as we all know, dame lillard wants to win or at least compete for the chip with the portland trail blazers, so naturally he wants a competitive team and in order for that to happen, front office will have to make a big trade, one that would certainly require shaedon sharpe, as any sane general manager would rather have shaedon sharpe than anfernee simons (this is not bashing simons, but the reality is that sharpe is 4 years younger and obviously with higher upside on both ends of the floor)

if front office says NO to trading sharpe, that big trade wont happen and dame lillard will ask out, which would be heartbreaking for all of us, as we all would like to see dame lillard play his entire career in rip city

CONSIDER THIS: Would that big trade really make Portland Trail Blazers a legit contender

PS I know that we could possibly pull a big trade with Simons + this years pick + other picks, but this is about Sharpe only

Didn't read the post since it was a useless one coming from someone who never wants the team to succeed.

The only right answer is ant. Please learn from this since you are wrong like always.

 

[KingSpeed]

I can't imagine a scenerio in which we'd have to choose... We could have added Randle and the #10 last season in exchange for #7.

We picked Sharpe for a reason. He is a part of Dame's championship team.

What is your source on the Randle trade? If that’s real, we messed up. He’s All NBA level player.