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If push comes to shove, who are you keeping: Dame Lillard or Shaedon Sharpe


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What is your source on the Randle trade? If that’s real, we messed up. He’s All NBA level player.
I also read Randle was available + #10 to move up to #7. Randle always seems to have an All-NBA year followed by an inefficient year. All things considered, I’m happy we stayed put and drafted Sharpe.
 
Dude's been in the NBA for over a decade. He's almost 33 years old. He's going to be making a RIDICULOUS amount of money as he gets older.

However difficult it was to win big with him when he was younger and cheaper, it's only going to get more difficult. Ownership is not really relevant to that reality.

And the team signed Nurk. They signed Ant. Both of those guys are probably making more here than the would have if they'd walked this past summer. We're giving Dame more money than almost any US professional athlete ever. Ownership's alleged unwillingness to spend money just isn't a limiting factor as I see it.
Dame will be making the same percentage of the cap (35%) he's made since signing the super max. Strictly in terms of fielding a team around him, it's actually more money to field a team around him moving forward than it was at the beginning of his super max. 35% of $100 million cap is $35 million, leaving $65 million to build the rest of the roster. If the cap is at $150 million in a few years, that's $52.5 million for Dame, leaving almost $100 million to the cap line and an even greater gap between his salary and the luxury tax line.

By staying under the tax, ownership got an over $30 million check from revenue sharing and will receive another $15 plus million from the luxury tax this year. That's significant money for a business, but again I'd like to know what teams have won a title while not being willing to add money to the payroll and are always reducing it?

Ownership is definitely not perfect--not interviewing a GM to replace Olshey and then replacing him with a guy who had no track record other than with building mediocre Portland teams wasn't smart, and I think they're too happy to be mediocre rather than facing the reality and trading Dame--but I don't think that any ownership could take this roster and build a championship around Dame. He's too old and the roster is too weak and the future assets are too few.
The assets are too few because ever since 2019 every decision has been made with not only saving money in the current year but making it so they won't be a tax team the following year either. At the 2020 trade deadline, they refused to turn Whiteside's enormous expiring contract into anything positive and salary dumped Skal. At the 2021 trade deadline, they chose to trade a young asset in Trent for an older version just to avoid paying him. At the 2022 trade deadline, they failed to get many assets for 4 players that had interest because their goal was to clear as much salary as possible. This year, they refused to take anyone with salary next year and again traded a quality rotation piece simply because they didn't want to pay him. It's very, very difficult to build a contending team when almost every one of your moves is limiting the ability to make a bigger move in the future by depleting assets and leaving you with not many expendable contracts to match incoming salary in trades. Even despite that, this summer they could still offer 5 1sts in a trade, including a guaranteed lottery pick, Sharpe, and Ant. I'm not saying they should trade all that, but it's enough to compete with almost any other team's offers for a star player.

Right now we have mediocrity and aged veterans with little to no real chance of doing anything in the playoffs IF we're lucky enough to make them.
Aged veterans? Dame is the only "aged" veteran. He'll be 33 next year. Jerami and Nurk will be 29 next year. Justise turns 27 tomorrow. The entire rest of the team is 26 or under. If anything, the argument should be that this team doesn't have enough proven veterans, not too many. Chris Paul had turned 33 on a team that was 1 game away from beating the Warriors in 2018 with Durant. Then 3 years later at age 36 was on a very young Phoenix team that was up 2-0 in the Finals. With some solid moves to get him some help, you don't think there's any chance Dame could do something similar?
 
What is your source on the Randle trade? If that’s real, we messed up. He’s All NBA level player.
I get what your saying as far as Dame's timeline goes but if our front office has Shaedon's range somewhere between perennial all star and multiple time MVP, then they didn't make a mistake. I think Shae could be the next great SG in the league I feel like his potential is limitless at this point on both ends of the court. I understand that the idea of a known commodity and only moving down a few picks is very appealing and I was pissed we didn't do it when the rumor was out there last year but we brought in Schmitz for a reason and I love what I see out of our first two picks with him on board.
 
Obviously not an actual question facing management as Dame and Sharpe play well together and don't play the same position.
 
Truth is this question is kind of loaded since this team has to be sold in the near future and we do not really have a owner more of a caretaker like I have said before since she cannot do anything that MIGHT harm the value of the team. I hate seeing some fans want to bail on Dame in favor of Sharpe but I kind of get it too even if I disagree with it at least for now. I will not lie this summer might be the most stressful being a Blazer fan if the draft does not go in the Blazers favor and that does not mean Wemby or bust granted he would help but if the Blazers do not come out of the draft with a haul of some kind then everything switches to a couple things. First being what can this GM ( who is below average at best ) do in FA and trades to help Dame and then the one thing that I will pray does not happen IF the draft does not go good then the Dame issue will get intensified. I believe IF the Blazers do not hit it big in the draft and / or summer months then Dame might decide it's time as much as he might want to stay he might finally say enough is enough and ask out if not this summer then the next one for sure and I would almost bet on that.

I am not saying I want this cause as bummed as I was when Clyde left it will break my heart to see Dame leave cause the front office failed him in such a way that for some it might be the final straw when it comes to the team. I pray this does not happen but all signs point to this happening sooner then later unless the team get's a miracle or two and let's be honest right now the fans are kind of jaded with the team cause of ownership or lack there of and a front office that is a borderline joke. I do not care if you believe in a god or not but whatever you believe in it is time to ask for a miracle cause this team will need it and that is a fact.
 
Truth is this question is kind of loaded since this team has to be sold in the near future and we do not really have a owner more of a caretaker like I have said before since she cannot do anything that MIGHT harm the value of the team. I hate seeing some fans want to bail on Dame in favor of Sharpe but I kind of get it too even if I disagree with it at least for now. I will not lie this summer might be the most stressful being a Blazer fan if the draft does not go in the Blazers favor and that does not mean Wemby or bust granted he would help but if the Blazers do not come out of the draft with a haul of some kind then everything switches to a couple things. First being what can this GM ( who is below average at best ) do in FA and trades to help Dame and then the one thing that I will pray does not happen IF the draft does not go good then the Dame issue will get intensified. I believe IF the Blazers do not hit it big in the draft and / or summer months then Dame might decide it's time as much as he might want to stay he might finally say enough is enough and ask out if not this summer then the next one for sure and I would almost bet on that.

I am not saying I want this cause as bummed as I was when Clyde left it will break my heart to see Dame leave cause the front office failed him in such a way that for some it might be the final straw when it comes to the team. I pray this does not happen but all signs point to this happening sooner then later unless the team get's a miracle or two and let's be honest right now the fans are kind of jaded with the team cause of ownership or lack there of and a front office that is a borderline joke. I do not care if you believe in a god or not but whatever you believe in it is time to ask for a miracle cause this team will need it and that is a fact.
I think the summer will be decided on draft night. Either Joe will get a major trade done or he'll make another statement like the one he did after this past trade deadline, essentially forcing Dame to ask for a trade. You're right, it's a stressful time to be a fan of our team, especially one like me, who thinks that Dame playing his whole career here is really important.
 
What is your source on the Randle trade? If that’s real, we messed up. He’s All NBA level player.
No sources. Just listening to radio and how excited New York DJs and their fans were at the prospect of swapping Randle and 11 for 7. As well as their chat rooms.

They were pretty low on Randle prior to the draft and everyone was thinking he was on his way out.

They just didn't get the offers. And I've heard he is a bad dude, so maybe that's why. I'd take that chance with Dame here.

But I'm with you. I think with Randle we would have been a top 4 team this season, and we'd be looking to move Ant and whatever we got at 11 to put us over the top.
 
But I'm with you. I think with Randle we would have been a top 4 team this season, and we'd be looking to move Ant and whatever we got at 11 to put us over the top.

Portland didn't have any contracts to trade for Randall except Hart and Winslow. So they would have had major depth issues at wing. They could have drafted either Jalen Williams or Jalen Duren; probably Duren because they took a couple of good looks at him. But Williams would have been better considering they'd have Randall, Nurkic, Grant, Eubanks, and Watford up front
 
The ultimate hope is that in these last 9 games, Sharpe averages close go 20ppg on above average efficiency and it becomes clear that the answer to the original question is “Both. Trade Ant”.
 
There's no path to Dame being on a championship contender in Portland. None. We can't even build a playoff team around him... we're not going to make a trade and leapfrog over 10 or 20 other NBA teams.

Therefore, we should keep Sharpe rather than throwing more of our future down a futile effort to build around Dame.
You’re on a serious repeat cycle.
 
There's no path to Dame being on a championship contender in Portland. None. We can't even build a playoff team around him... we're not going to make a trade and leapfrog over 10 or 20 other NBA teams.

Therefore, we should keep Sharpe rather than throwing more of our future down a futile effort to build around Dame.
I would say that the path is starting Sharpe at SG with Dame at PG. Resigning JG to play one of the two forward roles. Trading for an all star and resigning Jerami to start at the 3 or 4 depending on the all star. Also making sure that Nurk is outgoing in a trade and starting a C who can switch well and defend in space.

Let's see where we end up in the draft and go from there but if next season we are starting Dame and Shaedon in the back court and have a new all star and a good bench, we should be contenders.
 
That Payton signing was the biggest what the fuck move. It was pretty unanimous on this forum it was awful, which is rare.

Good on splitting quickly on him after they realized it was awful which is something I don’t think Neil would have done.

My issue is that this team has regressed in talent, while Lillard is getting older and resigned players for more than their market value. Obvious blow it up time. Jazz ownership realized they should blow it up way sooner and they had more of a shot at a title than the Blazers do and a player that in my eyes is on the same caliber as Lillard in Mitchell, but was much younger.
 
Portland didn't have any contracts to trade for Randall except Hart and Winslow. So they would have had major depth issues at wing. They could have drafted either Jalen Williams or Jalen Duren; probably Duren because they took a couple of good looks at him. But Williams would have been better considering they'd have Randall, Nurkic, Grant, Eubanks, and Watford up front
From recollection we would have also been able to retain Hart. We had Joe Ingles contract as well as Eric Bledsoe.

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I think it was suggested as Julius Randle and the No. 11 pick to the Blazers in exchange for Eric Bledsoe, Justise Winslow, the No. 7 and No. 36 picks.

The drawbacks being Randle is a bit of a headcase. But again, from my perspective, let's give Dame a chance to lead him. I bet Dame would be all for it.

But I also like Sharpe, a lot.

But, Dame, Hart, Grant, Randle, Nurc is probably one of the best starting units in the league. And Ant off the bench would at least be able to keep us scoring.
 
Portland didn't have any contracts to trade for Randall except Hart and Winslow. So they would have had major depth issues at wing. They could have drafted either Jalen Williams or Jalen Duren; probably Duren because they took a couple of good looks at him. But Williams would have been better considering they'd have Randall, Nurkic, Grant, Eubanks, and Watford up front
They had Bledsoes contract they could have traded
 
Portland didn't have any contracts to trade for Randall except Hart and Winslow. So they would have had major depth issues at wing. They could have drafted either Jalen Williams or Jalen Duren; probably Duren because they took a couple of good looks at him. But Williams would have been better considering they'd have Randall, Nurkic, Grant, Eubanks, and Watford up front

Blazers could've traded Eric Bledsoe for Randle instead of cutting Bledsoe to save cash.
 
I would say that the path is starting Sharpe at SG with Dame at PG. Resigning JG to play one of the two forward roles. Trading for an all star and resigning Jerami to start at the 3 or 4 depending on the all star. Also making sure that Nurk is outgoing in a trade and starting a C who can switch well and defend in space.

Let's see where we end up in the draft and go from there but if next season we are starting Dame and Shaedon in the back court and have a new all star and a good bench, we should be contenders.

This could certainly make the Blazers much improved, maybe get in the playoffs. But they'd be nowhere close to contending and no real assets to make another move.

The ship has sailed on contending with Dame soon.

Time to build for a longer horizon. I'm fine with keeping Dame but it needs to be a Kobe/Reggie Miller type twilight to his career where we also build around a bunch of youth.
 
This construction is weird, and isn’t how trades work. The center of a debate like this is on the return, which provides context for who you might give up.

if I’m getting a boat of picks back, I’m moving dame. If I’m getting an aging star back, what’s the point of moving dame, and is said player even worth sharpe?
 
Sharpe starting with Dame is not a contending backcourt. I'm as big a Sharpe fan as any, but he's just not going to be a 2 way contending level starter next season.

Grant is the only player that could play at that level next year as a starter with Dame. Do the Blazers have the assets to get 3 more of those starters? No I don't believe it's possible.

Maybe I'd the Blazers get the #1 pick, and trade away all of that #1 pick, Sharpe, and Ant. But even then that's an unlikely maybe with a lot of risk of being an absolute disaster.

Time to plan on a road that doesn't involve contending next season.
 
Blazers could've traded Eric Bledsoe for Randle instead of cutting Bledsoe to save cash.

Blazers fans and certain blog boys have long overrated expiring contracts. I’d be careful with that narrative.
 
This construction is weird, and isn’t how trades work. The center of a debate like this is on the return, which provides context for who you might give up.

if I’m getting a boat of picks back, I’m moving dame. If I’m getting an aging star back, what’s the point of moving dame, and is said player even worth sharpe?

Yes I too find it extremely unlikely. But for the sake of discussion, maybe Dame says I don't want to wait for young rookies or second year players to develop, so trade for veterans or trade me away. Could effectively put the Blazers in a spot to have to make such decision.
 
Blazers fans and certain blog boys have long overrated expiring contracts. I’d be careful with that narrative.
I don't disagree, but the notion a trade could've only been constructed with Hart and Winslow as pieces was false.
 
No; not even close.
Disagree. Not many teams could match up. Doubling Dame would be nearly impossible.

Three of the five are excellent to elite rebounders, amd Dame is a very solid rebounder when he needs to be (for a PG). Jeremy Grant is the only below average rebounder, and he can easily be safety.

And every player except Dame are very good defenders.
 
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Disagree. Not many teams could match up. Doubling Dame would be nearly impossible.

Three of the five are excellent to elite rebounders, amd Dame is a very solid rebounder when he needs to be (for a PG). Jeremy Grant is the only below average rebounder, and he can easily be safety.

And every player except Dame are very good defenders.

Doubling Dame would be easy, just leave Nurk or Hart open.

I wouldn't call Randle a very good defender. Nurk is solid but exposed against small lineups, and can't play big minutes, not has he been healthy a whole season.

It would certainly be much better than the last two seasons. But it's not a contending team, nor close to one of the "best starting lineups" in the league.
 
Knicks fans and jockeys seemed all over it. In fact, they seemed giddy at the prospect.

TBF Knicks fans and jockeys are where I go for hilarious content, not legit ideas about basketball…

Guys have a tough stretch and Joe from Long Island wants to drive him to the airport himself.
 
They had Bledsoes contract they could have traded

I thought the last adjustment to the CBA included a provision that non-guaranteed contracts had to be fully guaranteed to be traded after the trade deadline

of course, I guess he could have been guaranteed for the next season than traded
 
I thought the last adjustment to the CBA included a provision that non-guaranteed contracts had to be fully guaranteed to be traded after the trade deadline

of course, I guess he could have been guaranteed for the next season than traded
It’s my understanding that whatever portion of his contract that was going to be needed to salary match would’ve had to have been guaranteed for this season but the rumor was that the Knicks were cool with eating that to move up because they thought the Randle contract was bad at the time. It was just a rumor though so who knows.
 
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