If the GOP looses in 2016...

[PtldPlatypus]

Solid evidence that Dems are far bigger hoarders of wealth than Reps or Libertarians.

FTFY?

 

[Cryptkeeper]

FTFY?

The Koch brothers are worth over 500m and you're claiming the Democrats hoard more because Hillary is worth 34m?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The Koch brothers are worth over 500m and you're claiming the Democrats hoard more because Hillary is worth 34m?

No, I was actually suggesting that MARIS is being hypocritical by decrying rich people's hoarding of wealth on myriad other threads, but lauding Hillary and Obama's business savvy for the same in this thread.

I have no problem with rich people being rich. MARIS generally does, unless (apparently) they're democrats.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The Koch brothers are worth $36 billion each and you're claiming the Democrats hoard more because Hillary is worth 34m?

Ftfy.

 

[Denny Crane]

Where did I ever say she'd make a good president? She may make a good one, not sure but she wasn't a terrible Secretary of State. To use the Ben Ghazi tragedy to brand her as incompetant is to ignore uncontrollable circumstances in volital regions. That's my point. I don't care who points that finger, it's a cheap shot and in the cases of Daniel Perlman or the guys who worked for Ross Perot in Iran or countless situations in foreign offices, this one is a speck of dust. "better votes than the lives of people she reported too? What are you talking about? That statement I found to be offensive.

It's no speck of dust. Losing an ambassador is a rare event. Only 7 lost in history.

It sure was a volatile region. We did after losing the ambassador what we should have done before - closed the embassy. It's not like we had no warning, we had just helped overthrow the government there to turn it into a lawless place.

 

[Denny Crane]

Uh, Denny, isn't the libertarian mantra "them that got the gold are them that deserve it, the rest are losers"? Pretty sure it is.

barfo

You're confusing me with MARIS. I provided the info about their net worth.

W's net worth is $27M.

They're welcome to make as much money as they're able, as far as I care.

 

[Denny Crane]

I completely disagree. I rate her quite highly compared to previous SOS' s during my lifetime, although most of them were criminals or traitors, or madmen.

She's easily the most qualified of anyone mentioned so far as a candidate.

Finally you made a funny joke!

 

[maxiep]

Once again, it seems we need to be reminded about MARIS' sig:

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of MARIS61, a fictional message board character created for my amusement, and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of any real person alive or deceased.

It's why I don't bother answering his posts.

 

[riverman]

It's no speck of dust. Losing an ambassador is a rare event. Only 7 lost in history.

It sure was a volatile region. We did after losing the ambassador what we should have done before - closed the embassy. It's not like we had no warning, we had just helped overthrow the government there to turn it into a lawless place.

Human loss is human loss, ambassador or journalist or foot soldier all equally valuable, all tragedies, this instance is not exclusive in it's circumstance but sure made good fuel for political attacks at home. I thought it was tasteless to use this against an administration already up to it's elbows in middle eastern chaos.

 

[maxiep]

Human loss is human loss, ambassador or journalist or foot soldier all equally valuable, all tragedies, this instance is not exclusive in it's circumstance but sure made good fuel for political attacks at home. I thought it was tasteless to use this against an administration already up to it's elbows in middle eastern chaos.

I'm sorry, but are you out of your mind? The attack happened...wait for it...SEPTEMBER FREAKING 11TH!!! The Administration didn't protect these people before the attack, defend them during the attack and then tried to falsely blame it on a video, and it's "tasteless" to criticize them for it?

Seriously, I don't know what to say to that kind of thought process.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Human loss is human loss, ambassador or journalist or foot soldier all equally valuable, all tragedies, this instance is not exclusive in it's circumstance but sure made good fuel for political attacks at home. I thought it was tasteless to use this against an administration already up to it's elbows in middle eastern chaos.

The fact that some people get secret service protection, some get military protection, some get both, and most get nothing, indicates all are not "equally valuable" in the eyes of the government.

 

[riverman]

The fact that some people get secret service protection, some get military protection, some get both, and most get nothing, indicates all are not "equally valuable" in the eyes of the government.

I'm not the government though, these are my views

 

[riverman]

I'm sorry, but are you out of your mind? The attack happened...wait for it...SEPTEMBER FREAKING 11TH!!! The Administration didn't protect these people before the attack, defend them during the attack and then tried to falsely blame it on a video, and it's "tasteless" to criticize them for it?

Seriously, I don't know what to say to that kind of thought process.

Maybe I am out of my mind but I don't look at calendar dates as birthdays or anniversaries. Never have. If every time innocent people are killed, you mark it on a calendar, the calendar would be filled to the brim. Yes it is tasteless to criticize them for it. In the war on terror, you're not going to win every battle or shore up every wall of defense no matter how much you dislike the administration. If govt were so informed then the twin towers would have been avoided? Probably not. Hilary took the blame for that tragedy and I commend her for that. Personally I blame the terrorists for the killing, not the American govt

 

[Denny Crane]

Human loss is human loss, ambassador or journalist or foot soldier all equally valuable, all tragedies, this instance is not exclusive in it's circumstance but sure made good fuel for political attacks at home. I thought it was tasteless to use this against an administration already up to it's elbows in middle eastern chaos.

It's become clear as the incident was investigated that:

1) The administration outright lied about some video on YouTube being the reason for the attack
2) The administration sent out its ambassador to the UN to lie on several Sunday news programs
3) Hillary was in charge, it was a State Department matter
4) There were numerous warnings that the embassy was in danger
5) There were numerous requests for a stronger military presence for defensive purposes
6) There were previous attacks on the embassy
7) No forces were brought to bear to try and save the people, even though the firefight went on for hours and they watched it on TV in the white house.
8) When congress questioned her about the incident, her response was "what does it matter."

Of course we should question her decision making ability, it was on full display. From being part of the lies to choosing not to protect the embassy and ambassador to even having him stationed there in the first place.

Hillary lied, the ambassador died.

The ads write themselves.

 

[maxiep]

Maybe I am out of my mind but I don't look at calendar dates as birthdays or anniversaries. Never have. If every time innocent people are killed, you mark it on a calendar, the calendar would be filled to the brim. Yes it is tasteless to criticize them for it. In the war on terror, you're not going to win every battle or shore up every wall of defense no matter how much you dislike the administration. If govt were so informed then the twin towers would have been avoided? Probably not. Hilary took the blame for that tragedy and I commend her for that. Personally I blame the terrorists for the killing, not the American govt

So, you're saying that September 11th is no different than any other day, that it has no significance for Al Qaeda and therefore we should take extra security measures? I'll just say I strongly disagree.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Maybe I am out of my mind but I don't look at calendar dates as birthdays or anniversaries. Never have. If every time innocent people are killed, you mark it on a calendar, the calendar would be filled to the brim. Yes it is tasteless to criticize them for it. In the war on terror, you're not going to win every battle or shore up every wall of defense no matter how much you dislike the administration. If govt were so informed then the twin towers would have been avoided? Probably not. Hilary took the blame for that tragedy and I commend her for that. Personally I blame the terrorists for the killing, not the American govt

Come on man... You can't seriously believe what you are saying. The Govt had every opportunity to protect our citizens, especially on September 11th. Every Embassy in hostile areas should be protected to the max on that day. All of this could have been avoided.

 

[maxiep]

Can someone correct the spelling error in the title of the thread? "Looses" instead of "loses" drives me nuts.

 

[jlprk]

It's no speck of dust. Losing an ambassador is a rare event. Only 7 lost in history.

It sure was a volatile region. We did after losing the ambassador what we should have done before - closed the embassy. It's not like we had no warning, we had just helped overthrow the government there to turn it into a lawless place.

He was the least ambassadorial of the 7. He was a CIA operative. Only after he died was his name made public. Then Republicans claimed that since he headed the secret CIA station, he was the equivalent of an ambassador.

It's become clear as the incident was investigated that:

1) The administration outright lied about some video on YouTube being the reason for the attack
2) The administration sent out its ambassador to the UN to lie on several Sunday news programs
3) Hillary was in charge, it was a State Department matter
4) There were numerous warnings that the embassy was in danger
5) There were numerous requests for a stronger military presence for defensive purposes
6) There were previous attacks on the embassy
7) No forces were brought to bear to try and save the people, even though the firefight went on for hours and they watched it on TV in the white house.
8) When congress questioned her about the incident, her response was "what does it matter."

Of course we should question her decision making ability, it was on full display. From being part of the lies to choosing not to protect the embassy and ambassador to even having him stationed there in the first place.

Hillary lied, the ambassador died.

The ads write themselves.

Write them, then. I'll help. "Waaahhh!!! Nobody gives a shit about a Republican talking points list!!" Run that or any ad and waste your money.

 

[Denny Crane]

CIA or not, outrageously stupid conspiracy theory or not, there's no excuse to not protect the people and the embassy.

How about we try to find a candidate we don't need to apologize for? Or make up silly excuses for?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

The funny thing about Clinton is that she has so many skeletons in the closet she is easily exposed.