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this looks like either a Ape from Planet of the Apes, ET, or Yoda, or that the never ending story. Or camel

You can also look at it and see what looks to be the face of something (looking away from you). And the thing sticking up, could be a walking stick.

And if you look under what is the "eye" (the center of the picture, basically), you can see what looks to be an actual face in it.

It also looks like one of the characters from Star Wars.

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Those are jaw-droppingly beautiful photos. The scale of those photos is unimaginable to me.
 
my quick labeling attempt. Sorry for the poor handwriting, it was all free-hand.
 

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I hate to burst bubbles, but those are all false color. Still awesome pictures though!

edit: maybe not the Jupiter one.
 
every one of those points of light are a galaxy with millions of stars that have planets attached to them.


and we're the only one with life. oh to be alone :sigh:
 
hoojacks said:
every one of those points of light are a galaxy with millions of stars that have planets attached to them.


and we're the only one with life. oh to be alone :sigh:
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My thought was much the same. I see all those stars and find it inconceivable we're unique.
 
maxiep said:
My thought was much the same. I see all those stars and find it inconceivable we're unique.
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well I think it's safe to assume, unless some kind of Stargate scenario, we are unique. But probably not the only life-forms.
 
westnob said:
well I think it's safe to assume, unless some kind of Stargate scenario, we are unique. But probably not the only life-forms.
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Probably? There is a zero percent chance we're the only planet in the universe with life/intelligent life.
 
Rodolfo said:
Probably? There is a zero percent chance we're the only planet in the universe with life/intelligent life.
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really? zero percent? please show me this evidence? Japan's Prime Minister's wife does not count as testimony. I doubt we're alone, but it's an awfully strong statement to say 0% chance.
 
westnob said:
really? zero percent? please show me this evidence? Japan's Prime Minister's wife does not count as testimony. I doubt we're alone, but it's an awfully strong statement to say 0% chance.
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Do you have a sense of how big the universe is and how many galaxys have earth like planets?
The Milkyway alone, has around 100 BILLION earth like planets. That's one galaxy, out of Billions and Billions of galaxys!
 
Two options:
1) Life was created exclusively on this planet by God 2) Life has formed on many planets.
 
westnob said:
really? zero percent? please show me this evidence? Japan's Prime Minister's wife does not count as testimony. I doubt we're alone, but it's an awfully strong statement to say 0% chance.
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What did she claim?
 
Rodolfo said:
Do you have a sense of how big the universe is and how many galaxys have earth like planets?
The Milkyway alone, has around 100 BILLION earth like planets. That's one galaxy, out of Billions and Billions of galaxys!
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peer reviewed article please.
 
My point is Rodolfo, until you actually find life on another planet, you really can't be 100% certain. I had heard something about some spectrum analysis in deep space showing chloroform from a physics teacher once, but I have never seen a peer-reviewed article on it. I recall there was some fossils of what looked like plant matter, which is pretty close to proof. But just like god, you can't say "I know he exists" until you get evidence. It's just faith and a hunch until that point.
 
westnob said:
My point is Rodolfo, until you actually find life on another planet, you really can't be 100% certain. I had heard something about some spectrum analysis in deep space showing chloroform from a physics teacher once, but I have never seen a peer-reviewed article on it. I recall there was some fossils of what looked like plant matter, which is pretty close to proof. But just like god, you can't say "I know he exists" until you get evidence. It's just faith and a hunch until that point.
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I understand you're point of view, but I just think that the shear size of the universe would make it VERY, VERY difficult to not allow life to exist elsewhere. Saying God exists and life on other planets exists is pretty different if you ask me.
 
Rodolfo said:
I understand you're point of view, but I just think that the shear size of the universe would make it VERY, VERY difficult to not allow life to exist elsewhere. Saying God exists and life on other planets exists is pretty different if you ask me.
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The universe is so big, god must be out there somewhere.

I'm a believer, to the hilt, in life (intelligent life even) as soon as we find one solitary microbe not from out planet.
 
Denny Crane said:
The universe is so big, god must be out there somewhere.
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You see Rodolfo, this is basically the same logic you're using? My point is that there probably is life somewhere out there, and i doubt we'll find god on venus or in alpha centari. But until evidence is found to support, the burden is on those making the claim to bring proof. That's just how logic works.:dunno:
 
Denny Crane said:
The universe is so big, god must be out there somewhere.

I'm a believer, to the hilt, in life (intelligent life even) as soon as we find one solitary microbe not from out planet.
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And when we find some kind of life-form outside of our planet (or solar system), the first thing we'll hear religious people say is that it's proof god exists, because he "put it there for us to find".
 
julius said:
And when we find some kind of life-form outside of our planet (or solar system), the first thing we'll hear religious people say is that it's proof god exists, because he "put it there for us to find".
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That wouldn't be my view, but why is it illegitimate?
 
westnob said:
Does it say in the Bible anything specifically about life on other planets?
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No. More along the lines of the world (universe) is Man's domain to rule over.

I consider myself an Objectivist. If I can see it and experience it for myself, I can believe it.

What I see is a lot of religious people who see certain things as evidence (of a scientific kind, actually) of the work of god. I see a lot of scientists who see certain things as evidence to support their world view.

I don't know if the two are incompatible or not. Just as with a microbe not of this world being good enough to make me believe, some tangible act of god would make me believe, too.

I wouldn't consider that if we found life it were a sign god exists. It would have to be him appearing in a burning bush in front of me, or that sort of thing.
 
Denny Crane said:
That wouldn't be my view, but why is it illegitimate?
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I believe it would be illegitimate, because it comes off as someone who is unwilling to allow anything that proves them wrong as anything more than something that they can change into being proven they are right.

I'm not saying that life outside off of this planet (or out of our solar system) would disprove god, but it's difficult to take someone serious when they constantly re-arrange the parameters of the argument.

Anytime you just go "see? that proves god's existence" as your answer, it's stupid. Because it's much easier to say it doesn't prove GE (shortened for ease of typing..yes, I realize this sentence explaining the abbreviation is actually longer to type out), because you actually have proof of life outside of our planet.

There is no mention of G providing life outside of here. Sure, G made the "Heavens and the Earth", but there's nothing said about 8.8 light years away from here, that G made a mistake and only made microbes on a comet heading our way in 80K years.

Think of the reverse. It would be like if science changed the test it used to validate (or invalidate) a hypothesis, or changed the rules of what is considered a passing test. It invalidates the scientific argument.

I'm certain that someone else could've worded this a lot clearer.
 
julius said:
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I'm not saying that life outside off of this planet (or out of our solar system) would disprove god, but it's difficult to take someone serious when they constantly re-arrange the parameters of the argument....
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Well science is based on changing what they think is true, but yeah science doesn't have a "holy book that is infallible"
 
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