If we re-state this team sucks

[BigDaddyAl1973]

It's not a question of Hank's abilities and what he has done. It's the fact that his cap hit is much more than guys like Crawford and Quick who have won cups.

I disagree a little...we were how many goals of winning a cup 2 years ago...how many goals last year from getting to rhe finals. His cap hit, although large, wasnt the reason.
That pussy Nash and his baby pussy Staal were.

 

[chuckd3534]

His cap hit of 8.5 mill didn't go into place until last season Al. When we made the SCF he was at 6.875. Staal was at 3.975. Girardi was at 3.325. And we had very good depth and balance upfront with Pouliot/Brass/Zucc as the 3rd line.

Like I said, I don't know the answer, but I do wonder if a cap hit that large is sustainable for a goalie long term on a SC type team. But I also agree with you if other guys do their jobs we have a cup. So I don't think that alone kills you, but it does take away your depth and margin for error as we have seen the past 2 seasons as Hank's cap hit went up, along with our D, and we lost the depth we had.

It is also why I say NO SHOT we resign Yandle unless we can move a big contract on D. Simply cannot afford it and have any balance.

 

[kreidertime]

Yandle has 45 points. That's not a big deal and his 5 goals sucks. McDonagh had a better year a few years ago with 14 goals. I've gone back and forth on Yandle. However, unless they sign him without a NTC or NMC clause, forget it. At least if they sign him to one of those they can then trade him which is what they should have done at the deadline.

 

[chuckd3534]

Hank is Hank though, and is obviously not going anywhere.

Nash at 7.8 per, Girardi at 5.5 per, and Staal at 5.7 per. We simply cannot have all 3 of these deals on our books next season if we want to build back up a team that can win a SC with Hank still near the top.

I'll say that right now. If we cannot deal one of these 3 contracts this summer we are f'd. Personally I think dealing 1 of those dmen is more important, but a good discussion can be had around that. With Skjei and McIlrath ready to step in next season and the fact that we need to have some balance against the cap makes me say dealing Staal or G should be a priority this summer IF we can get either to agree to a move.

I think Girardi is the more likely guy because his full NMC becomes limited after next season, so maybe they say we'll deal you next summer, so give us a couple of teams this summer so we can all move on. Then you deal him and decide what you do on Yandle. You can slot him right into Girardi's cap #.

To be honest I kind of don't want Yandle back. Yes he is very good with the puck and adds an element few dmen do, but man he is so bad in his own end. Soft in front of the net. Makes a lot of mistakes. As dump points out he is one of the very few minus players on the team. I almost rather deal G, let Yandle walk, put McIlrath and Skjei in the lineup, and work to add another dman via trade or signing to fill out the 6.

Either way though I stand by my comment. If Nash, Staal, Girardi are all on this team next season we are in trouble. One of those dmen needs to go for sure IMO.

 

[chuckd3534]

You and I are pretty much on the same page with Yandle dump.

McD, Staal, Skjei, Klein, and McIlrath. I would like to see that 5 next season. Then add a 6th via signing or trade. Can we get Shattenkirk out of STL? He is a UFA after next season.

Upfront you add Buch to the mix. Kreider is back. Miller is back. Hayes has a 3.75 cap hit this season. IF he is back that number goes down for sure. Lindberg gets a regular role. Moore and Stalberg are gone. We'll see on Staal. You have Step, Brass, Zucc, Fast, and most likely Nash. But I admit I actually don't hate our forwards. It is the D right now, and that is a total 180 from me.

Interesting, but the whole offseason might hinge on can we move Girardi.

 

[kreidertime]

I hate Hayes. He's slow. Stupid. Lazy. Doesn't hit anybody for a guy 6'5. Doesn't fit AV's system at all. He's a guy you might be able to get a late first rounder and prospect for.

 

[chuckd3534]

I am with you on Hayes. And he is another guy that refuses to shoot...we have enough of those players. My only caveat on him is if he takes a nice AAV cut. Does his cap hit go from 3.75 down to 2 mill +/-? If so we can keep him. If he expects to stay at 3 mill +, and with him I bet he does, then yeah we should deal him. We can get a decent pick for him...I agree. That would be a draft day deal if it happens.

Hayes will score 13-15 goals this season, and he was awful really. So he still has potential. That's why I say if we can get him to take a 1 mill or more pay cut and get his AAV down to 2 to 2.5 tops he is worth the risk IMO. If not...move on.

 

[mrmel29]

You and I are pretty much on the same page with Yandle dump.

McD, Staal, Skjei, Klein, and McIlrath. I would like to see that 5 next season. Then add a 6th via signing or trade. Can we get Shattenkirk out of STL? He is a UFA after next season.

Upfront you add Buch to the mix. Kreider is back. Miller is back. Hayes has a 3.75 cap hit this season. IF he is back that number goes down for sure. Lindberg gets a regular role. Moore and Stalberg are gone. We'll see on Staal. You have Step, Brass, Zucc, Fast, and most likely Nash. But I admit I actually don't hate our forwards. It is the D right now, and that is a total 180 from me.

Interesting, but the whole offseason might hinge on can we move Girardi.

Chuck, glad you see now the D is the problem as its been all season. They have sucked the wind out of the offense and have caused so many point blank shots on Hank that he looks shellshocked right now. When he got taken out yesterday with 19 minutes left in the second he skated off like a beaten man instead of cracking his stick over one of his defenseman heads. I think AV and his staff will be one of the changes made by gorton after the season.

 

[kreidertime]

They are not going to fire AV after one off year. However, some of our fans are always dense in that they think if a player struggles with our team he will suck everywhere which is not how it works. Hayes in another system on another team probably would be very good. Here, in this system, he sucks. He's too slow. Same for Girardi. However, you would have to eat half his contract most likely.

 

[chuckd3534]

For a team that goes right up to the cap every season where every dollar is precious, I will guarantee you they will not have 2.75 mill of dead cap money the next 4 years...no shot dump. Now that doesn't mean G cannot be dealt if they can agree on him waiving the NMC, but no way will the Rangers eat half his money.

As for Hayes, I agree with the overall premise, but will continue to add if he takes an AAV cut into the 2's he could be back. At 2.3 let's say, a 15 goal scorer with potential for more, is reasonable.

 

[kreidertime]

I absolutely think the Rangers eat half his salary because McIlrath and Skjei won't be making crap the next 4 years so it's not a big deal. Clearing a roster spot and freeing up 2.75 is much more important. That 2.75 can be used for either part of Kreider or to pay McIlrath, Fast, Skjei and Lindberg combined.

 

[chuckd3534]

We'll agree to disagree. I see no way at all the Rangers will have all that dead money on their cap when every cent is precious to them.

And for the record, if they get Girardi to waive his NMC, I don't think they will have to eat 1/2 his cap hit to move him. Getting G to waive the NMC is the biggest hurdle IMO.

 

[kreidertime]

Not so sure about that. It would have to be a very young team like the Oilers who want a veteran presence to help kids. Other than that, I'm not sure how many takers they would have.

 

[mrmel29]

As long as torts is coaching there will be a taker for girardi

 

[mrmel29]

They are not going to fire AV after one off year. However, some of our fans are always dense in that they think if a player struggles with our team he will suck everywhere which is not how it works. Hayes in another system on another team probably would be very good. Here, in this system, he sucks. He's too slow. Same for Girardi. However, you would have to eat half his contract most likely.

Dump, I agree with AV after one off year but don't underestimate the effect a bad after season interview from hank can have there. I don't think av and gorton philosophy mesh and don't think it would take gorton much to pull the plug and put his own guy in there. Management also can't be happy about the burying of dylan all season long along with the disappearance of lindbergh for awhile now.

 

[Ranger71]

AV's not going anywhere, he's done an excellent job all things considered with some, let's just say 'deficiencies' on the roster. And you guys continue to way overrate McIlrath. He's not near ready for playoff hockey, not that Girardi is really all that much better at this point in his career.

 

[kreidertime]

And you continue to have your head up your ass on McIlrath 71. He was the teams best defenseman at one point until Klein and McDonagh got it together. Saying he is not ready for playoff hockey is a joke. He's better than Girardi and Boyle in his sleep right now. Those guys at this moment, f'n suck. Nobody can say a player isn't ready for playoff hockey. You have no idea. You have to watch them do it but based off of his play this year, I want him over Boyle at the very least.

While I don't think AV is going anywhere it's a good point about Hank. If Hank destroys him, it could be a problem.

 

[panzerporter]

Yandle is going to want too much money that the Rangers don't have. No doubt he's one of the top offensive dmen in the NHL but defensively he's brutal which is a playoff killer. Have to hope he responds to the Rangers keeping him to go for it, can help his paycheck with a big postseason. Hayes is an interesting situation as $2.85 of his $3.75 cap hit came via a bonus, not sure how these numbers will factor out his next contract but I hate letting guys with his size walk. I agree this team's future hinges on dumping Nash, think they could get away with keeping G or Staal but one has to go.

 

[theProdigy223]

Poking around HF before the Mets start, saw this: http://espn.go.com/blog/craig-custance/insider/post?id=7356

For those without insider:

"Gorton wants to keep Yandle beyond this season, but as we pointed out to him, the math doesn’t work.

“You guys also did the math and said we couldn’t get Staal too,” Gorton said. “Things happen. Keith is a really good player having a really good year. We’d love to keep him. How we do that, I’m not sure yet. We’ll cross that bridge when we get there. Right now, we just need him to play well, continue to do well, be a good teammate, be good on the power play and help drive our team.”

To get the math to work, there would have to be subtractions. Dan Boyle and his $4.5 million salary come off the books. But it’s hard to see a scenario where all three -- Yandle, Marc Staal and Dan Girardi -- are back on defense next season in New York. Oh, and Staal and Girardi both have full no-movement clauses in their deals.

Presented with this scenario, one Eastern Conference executive said the solution that makes the most sense would be a trade involving Staal, because Girardi would be tough to move.

“Just mapping out their salary structure, to me, the guy would be Staal,” he said. “If they have to, I think they could move him. They might feel differently.”"

As I've said before, there will be a better market for Staal than Girardi. Younger, less miles, better pedigree. Our best shot is letting E. Staal walk, and M. Staal agrees to waive to follow him. They both have very young kids which like it or not is going to factor into the decision. Marc Staal isnt moving his kids to Edmonton. I'm still holding out hope Toronto will want them but with Lou now there who knows. I think Babcock would take them though. Also a plus is that Skjei is a natural replacement for Staal in both style and position. He is not a natural replacement for G.

McDonagh - Klein
Yandle-McIlrath
Skjei-Girardi

I would be completely fine with that defense for the next 2 years.

Also still do not understand all the hate Yandle is getting here. If you have a Porsche you dont ditch it because it isnt great going offroading. You use a different car to go offroading, and when you're stuck in the Porsche on some rough terrain you ride it out and hope for the best. He's going to make defensive lapses but hes also going to make offensive plays that no defenseman this team has had in years can even dream of. He puts one-timers on a tee and has resurrected the power play. Keep him pair him with McIlrath and watch that pair grow together for years.

 

[chuckd3534]

I am whatever on Yandle, but like I said...he will not be back unless we can move Staal or Girardi...that is obvious IMO. And if given the choice I would rather have Yandle here with Staal OR G over letting Yandle walk and keeping Staal and G.

We'll see how it shakes out this summer. But to me we simply cannot have all 3 guys here, Staal/G/Yandle, and this article says that as well.

 

[Ranger71]

McIlrath on the 2nd pairing? Now you guys are just out of control. They need to find a way to move Girardi and keep Eric Staal.

 

[theProdigy223]

What's out of control? Yandle-McIlrath was far and away the best pairing this team has had all year.

 

[kreidertime]

Only way they sign Yandle is if they feel Skjei can play the right side with AV being such a thickhead always wanting 3 righty and lefty defenseman.

 

[kreidertime]

HF and OTG also have the dumbest hockey posters in the world. Those boards are so moronic it defies belief. Keep in minds the moron posters on those boards loved Torts and Renney and didn't want to hear anything else. Not to mention they always think all our prospects suck on those boards. If you are a Russian prospect in the Rangers organization, on those boards they love you. If you put up points, they love you. If you are a player like Fast, you're useless on those boards.

 

[chuckd3534]

I have never been a get on AV guy, but he does puzzle me with his decisions on D. Again McIlrath out tonight...Boyle in for the 25th or so straight game. I really don't get what he is seeing. He really needs to get McIlrath a couple of games before the playoffs start.

• Rick Nash, Derick Brassard, JT Miller

• Chris Kreider, Derek Stepan, Mats Zuccarello

• Eric Staal, Kevin Hayes, Jesper Fast

• Tanner Glass, Dominic Moore, Viktor Stalberg.

Both Oscar Lindberg and Dylan McIlrath are skating as extras.

 

[chuckd3534]

I also think he is a little bit lost with some of these comments:

• "If you analyze our last two games, other than the first period in Carolina, I have liked how we have played. We are not going to be perfect but we haven't given up a lot opportunities and offensively we have generated a lot and spent a lot of time in the other team's end, we have been working on some subtle little things that we can do that would make it better with the zone time but I like how we are playing. This team will be ready to play and play hard and we will need to get focused and get ready."

• On needing consistency, "we played better last game than people give us credit for, we didn't give up a lot but it's a game where you need results and we need to manage the puck well and when we manage the puck well we look fast and make the right plays and a lot of that starts from the back end and if we can have our D move it up and move it up in the right fashion it's going to help our whole process."

 

[chuckd3534]

Buffalo goes up 3-0 on breakdowns and mistakes and he says outside of the first period in Carolina I like how we have played? And that includes a third period in Carolina where we really didn't play well and lost a 3-2 lead....being outscored 2-0.

 

[mrmel29]

I also think he is a little bit lost with some of these comments:

• "If you analyze our last two games, other than the first period in Carolina, I have liked how we have played. We are not going to be perfect but we haven't given up a lot opportunities and offensively we have generated a lot and spent a lot of time in the other team's end, we have been working on some subtle little things that we can do that would make it better with the zone time but I like how we are playing. This team will be ready to play and play hard and we will need to get focused and get ready."

• On needing consistency, "we played better last game than people give us credit for, we didn't give up a lot but it's a game where you need results and we need to manage the puck well and when we manage the puck well we look fast and make the right plays and a lot of that starts from the back end and if we can have our D move it up and move it up in the right fashion it's going to help our whole process."

You liked the way we played and we played better than people gave us credit for. Really AV?? Bwahahahahahahahahahahah. He is officially delusional and needs to go

 

[Disturbed]

FIRE AV!!!!!

 

[Ranger71]

Yeah..that"s the answer..just like putting McIlbuffoon in the lineup for the playoffs.