If you don't like our offseason, who would you have signed instead?

[Strenuus]

Rubbing off one, eh? Naughty, naughty.

I knew my wording was poor! Damnit!

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Expectations were high going in. The market was a bit crazy though and glad we did not overpay. It would have been nice.to get Hawes but it was his decision.

As said before, we have to have some of the projects start to contribute if we are going to get better.

 

[42N8Bounce]

I'm good with the Kaman and Blake signings.

I would have preferred:
(MLE) Livingston
(BAE) Jason Smith - I read NY is looking at him, perhaps with their tax-MLE.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm good with the Kaman and Blake signings.

I would have preferred:
(MLE) Livingston
(BAE) Jason Smith - I read NY is looking at him, perhaps with their tax-MLE.

I really wanted Livingston, but I'm guessing Neil didn't think he was worth the MLE OR that he wasn't a good fit.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

The Magic had cap space. They could afford to overpay to fill a need.

We did not have cap space. We could only afford the MLE to fill our need at the backup center position. Kaman was arguably the best we could do with what we had. Frye was a sought after free agent and the Magic probably paid him more than he was worth to secure his signature.

Wait a minute, just a few minutes ago you called the Frye contract stupid.

What should have the magic done? Isn't that the basis of this thread? If you think the magic threw out a stupid contract, what would you have done instead?

 

[Minstrel]

I really wanted Livingston, but I'm guessing Neil didn't think he was worth the MLE OR that he wasn't a good fit.

Not a good fit would be my guess. Livingston has like 7 three-point attempts in his entire damn career.

There's not being a good three-point shooter and then there's being such a non-entity from range that you can very literally be ignored. He can post up and shoot a bit from mid-range, but that wouldn't necessarily mesh well with Aldridge when they're on the court together.

 

[Natebishop3]

Wait a minute, just a few minutes ago you called the Frye contract stupid.

What should have the magic done? Isn't that the basis of this thread? If you think the magic threw out a stupid contract, what would you have done instead?

The basis of this thread is what do YOU think the Portland Trail Blazers should have done. I don't think I mentioned the Orlando Magic or stupid deals anywhere in this thread.

 

[riverman]

The guys I wanted resigned with the Spurs so I moved on awhile ago

 

[oldmangrouch]

MLE: Patrick Patterson. A good, versatile defender who can also shoot a bit (over 40% on treys with Toronto). He could give LMA more rest AND play along side him in a small-ball lineup. An upgrade over TRob because of his more well developed skill set/higher BBall IQ.

BAE: Jameer Nelson. Not as explosive as Mo - but a defensive upgrade and much less mistake prone.

Of course, this ignores the possibility that someone like Thomas, Marion or Deng will get stuck signing a bargain contract.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

The basis of this thread is what do YOU think the Portland Trail Blazers should have done. I don't think I mentioned the Orlando Magic or stupid deals anywhere in this thread.

Well my frustration is your question makes it sound like if you don't have an alternative to what the Blazers should have done, than the opinion of not liking the off season has no merit. Maybe that is not what you intended, but that is how I interpreted that question.

It's a frustrating question in my eyes because what a multi-million dollar franchise should do within the parameters of the CBA, the dynamics of players and agents and all other factors is a very hard, in fact impossible question to answer. I really don't think anyone on this board has the knowledge to know what the Blazers could or could not have done this summer.

So if I went on tilt and attacked you, it was probably because I though you were implying that unless you are capable of saying who should be signed, then not liking the offseason moves isn't valid (and that is where I tried to show that you ahve made many statements of not liking moves without saying what should have been done instead)

Personally I have no idea who I would have signed as a Blazer GM . . but I can say I don't like the Kaman signing (except for the contract term of the buyout) and I don't think the Blake signing helps much (but easy for me to accept Blake signing because I like him as a person and player)

 

[Natebishop3]

Personally I have no idea who I would have signed as a Blazer GM . . but I can say I don't like the Kaman signing (except for the contract term of the buyout) and I don't think the Blake signing helps much.

That's really all you needed to say in this thread. I asked a straight forward question. I'm sorry if you took it as a personal slight towards you, but I was curious which players people would have liked to sign with the MLE/BAE instead of Blake/Kaman.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I understand the motive behind the question - and you'll notice that I gave you a direct answer - but the fact remains that Olshey should be held to a higher standard than fans on a message board.

 

[Minstrel]

I understand the motive behind the question - and you'll notice that I gave you a direct answer - but the fact remains that Olshey should be held to a higher standard than fans on a message board.

I entirely agree with that, but these types of questions help ground opinions in reality. Otherwise, the standard we could hold Olshey to is "Get us a LeBron James every year" which would be silly, since he can only do that once. Forcing people to think through realistic alternatives is one form of perspective.

It's not entirely unfair to say "He could be creative and come up with something none of us could think of," but you can't just use that as a magic spell. Otherwise, you recognize no limitations at all and can just claim that "creativity" can move the mountain sitting in your way.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Aminu and DJ's kid playing for the Rockets summer league team

 

[OneLifeToLive]

What I will say is this, there is nothing to the moves he made. Your son or daughter (if you have them) could have done the same thing. The bottomline is I still have yet to anything creative out of him. These moves like last off season, there was nothing to them.

 

[magnifier661]

What I will say is this, there is nothing to the moves he made. Your son or daughter (if you have them) could have done the same thing. The bottomline is I still have yet to anything creative out of him. These moves like last off season, there was nothing to them.

I disagree about last year. Lopez and t. Rob was very creative. In fact, even getting mo was good.

 

[Natebishop3]

What I will say is this, there is nothing to the moves he made. Your son or daughter (if you have them) could have done the same thing. The bottomline is I still have yet to anything creative out of him. These moves like last off season, there was nothing to them.

I disagree. It would have been VERY easy for him to keep chasing the white rabbit. He could have wasted a lot of time pursuing free agents that he had no chance of signing, but instead he realized that most of the names that he originally targeted was going to be out of his price range and he immediately went after two guys that he knew he could get for the right price.

 

[Minstrel]

What I will say is this, there is nothing to the moves he made. Your son or daughter (if you have them) could have done the same thing. The bottomline is I still have yet to anything creative out of him. These moves like last off season, there was nothing to them.

Sometimes obvious moves are also correct moves. Creativity is a great quality and hopefully Olshey has it in spades, but I wouldn't him to pass over the right signing just because it's the one "anyone could have made."

 

[BigGameDamian]

It's not that I don't like the players we got it's just the question remains, Who's going to be our stud off the bench?

 

[oldguy]

I don't really like our offseason, and I'm not sure that there were any better gets available. It's not mutually exclusive. I can not like the offseason they had, and not have any deals I like better. (And, as pointed out, I'm not privy to the information that the Blazers have....so it's unrealistic to think I know all the possibilities available.)

I'm not mad at the team, or NO. Since I don't have enough information to second guess him, I'll live with what he did. It is what it is.....but MEH, in spades. Probably made the team a little better, but not by much.

And that's passing over the obvious. The Blazers could have gone the trade route. Agree or disagree, the proponents for trading LA have a legit point to make. He is an inefficient scorer that plays average defense. And, (while I don't think it's likely) he could bolt. If the Blazers had traded LA, there were a ton of ways to go from there. I'm not saying I wanted to see LA traded, but those that want an LA trade have a reason to not like the offseason that I can understand.

Here's hoping that we see improvement from the players we have.

Go Blazers

 

[oldguy]

It's not that I don't like the players we got it's just the question remains, Who's going to be our stud off the bench?

Kamen?

Go Blazers

 

[OneLifeToLive]

That's really all you needed to say in this thread. I asked a straight forward question. I'm sorry if you took it as a personal slight towards you, but I was curious which players people would have liked to sign with the MLE/BAE instead of Blake/Kaman.

Lopez was a plug and play. Nothing creative about that

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Lopez was a plug and play. Nothing creative about that

I will disagree. A center was a plug and play. However, that Center turning into Lopez was pretty creative.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

A larger problem I have with him is his attitude towards this 'smaller'market.

It's killing him

 

[magnifier661]

Lopez was a plug and play. Nothing creative about that

Read back when the deal was made. The forum mainly was "meh" about getting him. Much like they are now about Kaman.

In chemistry, sometimes the smallest ingredient makes such a huge impact in the overall physical identity of a compound. You can also have too much of strong chemicals; which only brings explosions...

We got to the second round with what we already had. We were 5th in the west and 7th overall. You should be grateful we have a gm that isn't paying up the ass for players like frye and Hawes.