IF you had to compare Marcus.....

[Quack U!]

to another NFL QB who would it be? I'm a bit lost, cause here how I see it. Marcus may be the most shy pro to ever play first. Second, he has Vick speed with Brady IQ and Marino touch so who would you compare him too?

The thought that this kid has only started 3 years of football in life, with what he's showing us, I'd say he may be only Marcus and I'm fine with that!

Thoughts?

 

[MickZagger]

Kaepernick.

 

[Quack U!]

I think Marcus has better touch on the ball, and his football IQ seems higher to me than Kaepernick. That said I think Kaepernick has a bigger arm and is more muscular for sure.

 

[MickZagger]

I think Marcus has better touch on the ball, and his football IQ seems higher to me than Kaepernick. That said I think Kaepernick has a bigger arm and is more muscular for sure.

You said if you HAD to make a comparison. He's really the only guy that I think plays a similar style. Kaepernick was skinny in college.

 

[Zalsa]

Kaepernick or Cam Newton easily, but I'd say the former.

 

[Natebishop3]

Kap was the first person that came to my mind as well.

 

[Targus]

I'm going to change it up. Not that I disagree with C-Kap...but, I do think there is a better option.


After wasting an entire, and I mean entire Saturday watching college football every Sat, Sunday is for family and grad studies. I don't watch a lot of pro-ball but do have several fantasy teams and win a majority of the time. Ed O. and I have dominated, as of late.

So, I think there are elements of Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick, Russell Wilson and Michael Vick. But, I'm going with Robert Griffin III. Why?

If your league was a typical scoring league, RG would have landed you the most points (behind Brees, Brady and Rogers). So, the element you have to throw in is the scramble and rushing TD value (MM starting out strong in 2013). Newton was a close second, but RG3 brought home the most rushing points. The guy is quick, reads defenses well, maintains his composure, rarely makes the same mistake twice, has an awesome smile and what seems to be a together personal life, is 6'2" with some beef, and was born across the ocean (RG in Japan) - much like the one and only MM.

Final answer: RG3

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm going to change it up. Not that I disagree with C-Kap...but, I do think there is a better option.


After wasting an entire, and I mean entire Saturday watching college football every Sat, Sunday is for family and grad studies. I don't watch a lot of pro-ball but do have several fantasy teams and win a majority of the time. Ed O. and I have dominated, as of late.

So, I think there are elements of Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick, Russell Wilson and Michael Vick. But, I'm going with Robert Griffin III. Why?

If your league was a typical scoring league, RG would have landed you the most points (behind Brees, Brady and Rogers). So, the element you have to throw in is the scramble and rushing TD value (MM starting out strong in 2013). Newton was a close second, but RG3 brought home the most rushing points. The guy is quick, reads defenses well, maintains his composure, rarely makes the same mistake twice, has an awesome smile and what seems to be a together personal life, is 6'2" with some beef, and was born across the ocean (RG in Japan) - much like the one and only MM.

Final answer: RG3

The interesting thing is that there are elements of all the players you mentioned, but he definitely has his own flow that is unique.

 

[STOMP]

bigger faster Joe Montana. It's his ability to make the game look Joe Cool easy that reminds me of him... always has

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[Quack U!]

Nice call Stomp. I was thinking Marino mixed with Vick athleticism, but Montana is spot on!

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Kaepernick.

I would agree with this.

 

[Targus]

Not seeing the Montana parallel.

Did Montana ever run an outside and inside zone read? Over his 16 years, didn't he average around 100 yards of rushing per season and was he ever really a threat to run?

Interesting...but, not seeing it. BTW, Montana was only allowed to play in a few scrimmages as a FR. Later, he entered several games late and never just became a starter and succeeded instantly. He also had a red-shirt year after a shoulder injury.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Now an Oregon QB he reminds me of is Akili Smith.

 

[Targus]

If we're truly considering the rush ability along with the arm, we should probably agree on Randall Cunningham. RC, I believe, is still the NFL's leading rushing QB and nearly identical in height and weight to MM. Cunningham revolutionized the position and made defenses adjust to defend against the run. If we ask defensive coordinators, I'd wager they would compare MM to RC. Steve Young was a much better rusher than Montana and still had close to a 100 pass rating. How many people remember the pass and rush balance that was polished Kordell Stewart?

 

[STOMP]

How many people remember the pass and rush balance that was polished Kordell Stewart?

wha?

Kordell and Marcus probably have comparable measurables, but KM wasn't a very good passer at all. When he moves on to the League, I predict much bigger things will be in store for MM

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[Targus]

I had to go back and research Stewart. It's been a lot of years but I thought I recalled a strong strong QB and decent arm.

Named #6 most versatile QB in NFL history
Won a few bowl games, including Fiesta while at Colorado

Played in Super Bowl XXX
Had several 3000 yard passing and 400 yard rushing seasons
56% lifetime completion rating (Marcus is avg 59% this year)
Pro-Bowler
AFC Offensive POY
(Behind Steve Young) has season record for rushing TD's/QBs - all time


So, I hope you're right and MM accomplishes more than this because KS had a respectable career!

 

[STOMP]

I had to go back and research Stewart. It's been a lot of years but I thought I recalled a strong strong QB and decent arm.

Named #6 most versatile QB in NFL history
Won a few bowl games, including Fiesta while at Colorado

Played in Super Bowl XXX
Had several 3000 yard passing and 400 yard rushing seasons
56% lifetime completion rating (Marcus is avg 59% this year)
Pro-Bowler
AFC Offensive POY
(Behind Steve Young) has season record for rushing TD's/QBs - all time


So, I hope you're right and MM accomplishes more than this because KS had a respectable career!

of course he had a respectable career, he made it to the NFL as a 2nd round pick and became a starter. But it's a big stretch to think that his stats stack up to Marcus's. In 3 years as a starter at Colorado, KS had 33 TDs and 19 Ints completing 58%. Starting his 2nd year as a starter at Oregon, MM has compiled 39 TDs, 6 Ints, completing 67%. As a rusher KS averaged 4.6 yards per carry, Marcus is averaging 8.4. He may also blow by Kordell's college career totals in rushing yards, TDs rushing, and total completion yards this season, all while usually watching from the sidelines in the 2nd half.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/kordell-stewart-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/marcus-mariota-1.html

as a pro, Kordell threw for 77 TDs vs 84 Ints and had a QB rating of 70.7. Yeah, I expect MM to do better

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[Targus]

That's a totally fair assessment. For Stewart, I was only drawing the versatility and running ability - and what he did to defenses, comp. Pass comp % very close as well.

Mariota's strength is the quandary he places defenses in. They must defend against he pass and the rush. He does not have the best touch in the world but can get the job done.

BTW: Stewart sat for some games and MM has had to sit a ton of second halfs out as well...just for different reasons.

 

[STOMP]

That's a totally fair assessment. For Stewart, I was only drawing the versatility and running ability - and what he did to defenses, comp. Pass comp % very close as well.

67% is close to 58%? Thats a significant difference IMO, but whatever. I agree that both were/are running threats, but I'll stick to my contention that MM is a significantly better passer. As you point out, defenses can't sell out on the run or pass with him. I recall defenses always loading up on the run vs Stewart and a lot of him spraying balls at the feet of open receivers.

BTW: Stewart sat for some games and MM has had to sit a ton of second halfs out as well...just for different reasons.

Another obvious reason that Mariota has better pro potential is that at 6'4 he brings prototypical size while Kordell was "only" 6'1.

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[Targus]

Stewart had an avg pass completion rating of 58% in college (62% his last year) and an avg pass completion rating of 55.8% in the pros.

MM is averaging 59.8% this year. Not that far off.

In is two most productive seasons, KS has 3020 pass yards / 476 rush and 3109 pass / 537 rush. MM had 2677 pass / 752 rush.

Last season MM had 32 pass TDs and 5 rushing for 37 total.

KS had a combine 31 TDs in his most productive year in a system that wasn't designed to put up 59 pts a game.
LOL
Some similarities....statistically.

Montana was 6'2". Didn't he avg 25 sacks a season to MM's 1.3 (est) a game?





Hard to top Cunningham for his elusiveness, speed and ability to spread the field. He was doing this when it wasn't popular.

 

[STOMP]

Stewart had an avg pass completion rating of 58% in college (62% his last year) and an avg pass completion rating of 55.8% in the pros.

MM is averaging 59.8% this year. Not that far off.

Do you think he's going to continue to average 17.5 yards a rushing attempt too? A tiny sample size can demonstrate all sorts of distortions from the mean. I can't think of a good reason not to look at the overall college stats of Marcus when comparing his stats to the overall college stats of Kordell.

In is two most productive seasons, KS has 3020 pass yards / 476 rush and 3109 pass / 537 rush. MM had 2677 pass / 752 rush.

Last season MM had 32 pass TDs and 5 rushing for 37 total.

KS had a combine 31 TDs in his most productive year in a system that wasn't designed to put up 59 pts a game.

now you're comparing Kordell's best stats during a 16 game NFL season to the 11 Mariota played last year??? A big stretch to say the least, but is there a reason that you didn't mention the 28 Interceptions that Kordell had during those same 2 years? And while it's true that Pittsburg played at a more traditional tempo, I'd bet he took more snaps per game then Marcus did because of blowouts/early exits.

Montana was 6'2". Didn't he avg 25 sacks a season to MM's 1.3 (est) a game?

you've lost me.

I compared Marcus to Joe because of his Joe Cool demeanor. I also said he was bigger and more athletic. Pretty sure I didn't mention sacks

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[Targus]

I selected KS's most productive years (plural) because over his career he spent some time on the bench, playing receiver or RB or as backup. MM has a limited window to work with. Not a stretch at all. By the way, KS was the last comparable on my list and I said there are tangibles/elements of their game that are similar.

The topic was to compare MM to a pro-quarterback. You seem to be ignoring that if MM was another pocket-passer and didn't have his speed or mobility - he'd be a Mannionish player, at best. You're comparing him to a total pocket passer. Worst.

The element that makes him so valuable, is his ability to read, spread, get the ball to play-makers, use the entire field and run. MM was a lot like KS during KS's peak.

I don't see the Joe-cool...as numerous analysts, staff and even MM have said he needs to settle down. We've seen him over-throwing several times over his career and shaking off the nerves.

Why didn't you mention Montana's interception rate, Joe Montana Passing TD: 273 Interceptions: 139 TD/Int Rate: 66.3%. WOW! Nothing cool about that!

Love you, Stomp.

 

[STOMP]

so we're all in agreement that a polished Kordell Stewart is as real as the Easter Bunny. I love you too

STOMP

 

[Targus]

Sure. As long as the Eastern Bunny is selected to the All-Pro game and plays in a Super Bowl, as well as gets elected team MVP along with conference player of the year awards as well as being nominated as a top 10 rushing QB of all-time.

 

[tlongII]

Sean Mannion FTW!

 

[STOMP]

Sure. As long as the Eastern Bunny is selected to the All-Pro game and plays in a Super Bowl, as well as gets elected team MVP along with conference player of the year awards as well as being nominated as a top 10 rushing QB of all-time.

Neil O'Donnell, Kent Graham & Tommy Maddox... mediocre/forgettable QBs thought to be better then Kordell by his HOF coach. At the age of 33 when "polished" QBs are at the top of their game, he was done following 2 seasons of not starting a game backing up similar mediocre/forgettable nobodies in Chicago and Baltimore. Injuries hadn't ended his career, a proven track record of not being able to lead a passing attack did. If he was the precursor to anything, one could claim he was the first Wildcat QB... a dominant run threat who struggled as a passer. Tim Tebow

at you siting him playing in the Super Bowl as part of this silly defense of his QBing. That was his rookie year. For the season he threw 7 passes... none in the Super Bowl. Mostly he was Slash, the WR/RB. Believe me you've given my one Steeler friend a big laugh with this tact... Pittsburg misses him like PDX pines for Damon Stoudamire running the show

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