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illmatic99 said:
chauncey hasn't even been here long enough for you to learn to spell his name correctly, but let's get rid of him already.
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Dude why do you bother with these guys? They aren’t fans of the Blazers, they’re Terry Stotts loyalists. They’re allegiance is to Terry and only Terry. There’s about a half dozen of them who frequent this forum and anyone posting here regularly will know who they are.
 
brooklynballer said:
I love your revisionist history. The Nuggets limped into the playoffs with a 3-3 record in the six games preceding the start of the playoffs - clearly “rolling” as you put it. They were also without their starting backcourt in Murray and Barton and Blazers got scorched by the perennial all-stars Campazzo and Rivers. GTFO with that garbage you’re spewing.
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Wonder why you picked the last 6 games instead of all the games after Murray went down?

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brooklynballer said:
Dude why do you bother with these guys? They aren’t fans of the Blazers, they’re Terry Stotts loyalists. They’re allegiance is to Terry and only Terry. There’s about a half dozen of them who frequent this forum and anyone posting here regularly will know who they are.
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You're obviously not a fan of the Blazers, you're a Chauncey apologist!!!!!!!
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Wonder why you picked the last 6 games instead of all the games after Murray went down?

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And you consider that “rolling”? Do you even understand what that term means? And how could you bet against your boy Stotts? If his offense was so amazing, how come he couldn’t figure out a strategy to outwit a depleted Nuggets team? Surely Dame & CJ must be better than Campazzo and Rivers in your mind?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
You're obviously not a fan of the Blazers, you're a Chauncey apologist!!!!!!!
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I’m willing to give Chauncey some time before jumping to conclusions about whether he’s a good fit as coach of this team. You and your posse on this forum aren’t even willing to give the man 30 games and are clamouring for the rehiring of the guy, who in 9 seasons, never led the team to anything meaningful. But you do you, guy.
 
The idea the Rasta would have a "posse" on this forum is hilarious....sensationlize much? I like Stotts and Billups...some people can separate the two without losing Blazer fandom cred....more people do not like Stotts here than those who did...that's a no brainer...you'd be hard pressed to find 12 S2 members who want Stotts back as coach...I'm all in on the Chauncey era but anyone with a basketball mind knows Chauncey is not a better coach yet....though he probably will be when he gets comfortable. I'm willing to give Chauncey a couple of seasons to implement his culture on the team..the fact is that the Stotts hating posse was rampant around here for his entire tenure...it was ridiculous to me...I cheered for every game he coached and when NO beat us and Denver beat us....I give credit to NO and Denver for stepping up and doing that...you win some you lose some...and when we limped into the western conf finals it wasn't Dame carrying us past the Nuggets in 4OT fashion....it was CJ, Rodney Hood and the defense of Evan Turner...Enes was incredible with one arm to play with for the whole series...I cheered big time for that team. If you tried you could find a lot of enjoyment in the Stotts era....it was better than what we'd seen since Sheed was a Blazer.
 
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brooklynballer said:
I love your revisionist history. The Nuggets limped into the playoffs with a 3-3 record in the six games preceding the start of the playoffs - clearly “rolling” as you put it. They were also without their starting backcourt in Murray and Barton and Blazers got scorched by the perennial all-stars Campazzo and Rivers. GTFO with that garbage you’re spewing.

Since you’re so smart, maybe you and your boy @Tince should team up and submit your application for the vacant GM role with the team. I’m sure you’ll get lots of consideration with your in-depth knowledge of the team and foresight. Maybe your first order of business can be to bring your loverboy Stotts back as coach?
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Weren't you saying that any coach would make this team way better? How's that going?

I continue to say Stotts was fine, not amazing, not terrible, and the coaching wasn't the main problem. People so blindly obsessed with blaming the coach (it's already happening to Billups now) have to push a false narrative to defend their stance that Stotts was holding us back.

Since I don't think Billups is a horrible coach and the main problem, am I a Billups apologist too?
 
I have doubts Terry will coach again given his age and his desire to travel with his wife....he's at retirement age. If he did come back the Kings would be fools not to hire him as he'd probably get them back in the playoffs for the first time in eons.
 
Tince said:
Weren't you saying that any coach would make this team way better? How's that going?

I continue to say Stotts was fine, not amazing, not terrible, and the coaching wasn't the main problem. People so blindly obsessed with blaming the coach (it's already happening to Billups now) have to push a false narrative to defend their stance that Stotts was holding us back.

Since I don't think Billups is a horrible coach and the main problem, am I a Billups apologist too?
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And yet there you are “liking” any post that praises Terry Stotts. Your words say one thing but your actions say something very different.
 
I like the Billups posts too... I think the coaches are fine. What is wrong with that?
 
brooklynballer said:
And yet there you are “liking” any post that praises Terry Stotts. Your words say one thing but your actions say something very different.
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praise is your word and not really accurate but it's serving your purpose...liking posts isn't cult behavior contrary to what you're alluding to..as I said...it's not as dramatic as you are projecting to like somebody you don't like. No big deal...hate on Stotts...it's your choice...you've got plenty of support for that around here.
 
riverman said:
praise is your word and not really accurate but it's serving your purpose...liking posts isn't cult behavior contrary to what you're alluding to..as I said...it's not as dramatic as you are projecting to like somebody you don't like. No big deal...hate on Stotts...it's your choice...you've got plenty of support for that around here.
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Co-signed...Well put!
 
Hoopguru said:
Cronin should be making moves within next month or so, if not sooner on role players. He's probably going to put out there that if you want Dame come with your best offers.
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Lillard is not leaving this team, ever, never, ever, never.
 
illmatic99 said:
chauncey hasn't even been here long enough for you to learn to spell his name correctly, but let's get rid of him already.
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And you come in here with insults and expect to be taken seriously?
 
julius said:
Why, was there an opening in the custodian staff?
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Nine years as our head coach says you're more than a little out to lunch on this one.
 
brooklynballer said:
And yet there you are “liking” any post that praises Terry Stotts. Your words say one thing but your actions say something very different.
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No reason not to praise Terry Stotts. He did the best that could be expected with the roster he was given.
 
Phatguysrule said:
No reason not to praise Terry Stotts. He did the best that could be expected with the roster he was given.
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Terry Stotts should be recognized for his coaching acumen in recognizing the strengths and, even more importantly, weaknesses of the rosters he was dealt by Olshey. Despite the constant whining around here about the isolation-oriented play and the lack of defense, he knew that in Dame and CJ he had one great and one very good isolation stars. He also knew that no matter how much people might wish for a strong defense, those two guys and the mismatched set of roster luggage surrounding them aren’t wired for it. On top of that, the energy required to to improve the defense takes away from the ability to be a top offense. He built an offensive juggernaut out of what he had for a roster and it was good enough to make the playoffs for most of the past decade. Sure, it wasn’t going to win in the playoffs, but, as we’re now seeing under Chauncey, wanting to play like his Detroit championship team requires players with the skills and physical attributes to play that way. Effort and commitment can’t always overcome limitations.
 
mook said:
The choice was not Stotts vs Billups. It was Stotts vs a dozen other potential coaches including Billups.
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This was my exact concern though... Many people assumed any coach would yield better results than Stotts. I personally thought it wasn't likely we would end up with someone significantly better than Stotts because of the person in charge of the coaching hire and the state of the franchise.

I'm not sure Billups is significantly worse than Stotts. So far, there is no way anyone can say he's significantly better.
 
Billups and Nate battling for the worst two season out of our last 11.
 
Not gonna bash Chauncey Billups yet. He has not been good by any measure. But I'm going to support him for at least a season unless there is a major problem that demands a firing.

No i was not really a big fan of the hiring. I felt they should have gone with a more experienced coach while Dame was in his prime. In my opinion this coaching hire was a risk.
 
I still support Billups 100%. Hopefully, We will come out of this better, although the change may have happened too late. Maybe part of it will be because he demands changes in the roster. Sometimes I wonder if Stotts made rational choices by just keeping it simple for these guys. But over the long run those choices were detrimental to the team.
Talking about roster vs coaching. Even though Mark Few is a great coach, I have noticed that he only recruits really smart players who already know how to play the game, make the right decisions.
 
royo said:
Billups season will start after trades, imo. So far he plays with half team. If Blazers complete a team of guys that want to play for him, we can see what his coaching is.
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I think this is the most reasonable position: Give Billups a better team than Stotts had and you'll see better results than Stotts had. In the meantime, coaching the same crap that Stotts had (plus Nance, who's one extra solid player), Billups looks bad.
 
Minstrel said:
I think this is the most reasonable position: Give Billups a better team than Stotts had and you'll see better results than Stotts had. In the meantime, coaching the same crap that Stotts had (plus Nance, who's one extra solid player), Billups looks bad.
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I think Olshey never did Stotts any favors when it came to the roster, and he definitely didn't do Billups any favors either.

Should've signed a big man (at least one more) and a PF, instead of 19 pgs.
 
I think Billups could be a good developmental coach--a teacher. The big issue I'm seeing with him as a head coach is ideological rigidity. It seems like in his mind, there's a Right Way to play basketball and his team will play that way, whether that lines up with the actual abilities of his players or not, regardless of the results. That kind of head coach can succeed, if he has a GM that can get him a roster of exactly the right type of players for his style. But since it's very hard to build exactly the roster you want, that type of coach is also pretty limited and usually won't be too successful.

Obviously, the best coaches are capable to adjusting their vision to the players that they have. There isn't one right way, there's a number of ways to succeed and finding the way that fits your personnel is the true job of the head coach, in my opinion.

Now, obviously, Billups is new at this. Maybe his rigidity is just a first-time coach thinking he has the one true answer and that'll ease once he realizes you can't really have sustainable success thinking like that. Maybe he'll become more flexible in his thinking over time. That's definitely the hope.
 
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