Science If you think you agree with this cartoon, please explain it to me

[Rastapopoulos]

(Let's ignore the obvious problem that this guy highlights:
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[Minstrel]

I don't agree with it, but I can explain it: blacks should worry about black-on-black violence and stop worrying about "Southern heritage."

 

[SlyPokerDog]

We should give statues guns and send them to Chicago.

 

[julius]

I don't agree with it, but I can explain it: blacks should worry about black-on-black violence and stop worrying about "Southern heritage."

It's code for "the blacks do more harm to themselves than white people ever did".

 

[Denny Crane]

Those aren't the headlines, but probably should be.

7 dead, 38 wounded.

Sounds like a war zone. Or a terrorist attack against some bazaar in the middle east.

It's not during some right wing rally, but every weekend in Chicago.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

The back is probably about Hillary running again..... Zing!

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

1. They look like old middle class people that aren't in Chicago.
2. I'm not so sure most of the people tearing down the statues are black people, especially older ones.
3. The situation in Chicago is unbelievable.

And the whole thing is stupid. This is white privilege as I see it. We push black people into living in a ghetto with ridiculously terrible schools and they turn to gangs.

I don't give a shit about the fucking statues. Mostly it saddens me to see that the statues are the focus of people so in that way I agree with the cartoon.

 

[stampedehero]

Statues represent a person's legacy and 7 dead/38 wounded is an expected Chicago disaster now. Who gives a shit about a liberal agenda about civil war statues when in the real and present world people (especially family) are killed or shot.

 

[Minstrel]

Statues aren't the focus, though. They're something simple that can solved immediately. The violence going on in inner cities is a complicated problem that matters much more but can't be so easily solved and will take a lot of moving parts. It's not like it's one or the other.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It's cute that some of you still think that Charlottesville was about statues.

 

[Cippy91]

It's code for "the blacks do more harm to themselves than white people ever did".

if you are talking about now compared to the past? yeah it's true, black on black crime is a major issue that gets sugar coated by the left and it's actually kind of really bad

 

[Cippy91]

1. They look like old middle class people that aren't in Chicago.
2. I'm not so sure most of the people tearing down the statues are black people, especially older ones.
3. The situation in Chicago is unbelievable.

And the whole thing is stupid. This is white privilege as I see it. We push black people into living in a ghetto with ridiculously terrible schools and they turn to gangs.

I don't give a shit about the fucking statues. Mostly it saddens me to see that the statues are the focus of people so in that way I agree with the cartoon.

we don't push them to kill each other though but I am sure somebody on this forum will come up with some excuse

 

[Cippy91]

It's cute that some of you still think that Charlottesville was about statues.

I don't think it was. It's simple, put the statues in a museum. Problem solved, they are off the streets and held in a place where you can view history. However people are over exaggerating that rally that happened. When black on black violence occurs EVERY DAY at an alarming rate, especially in chicago. I mean google every weekend, this is what pulls up. Is that acceptable? are we really gonna act like there isn't a problem with black on black violence or are we gonna ignore it and blame white people?

http://abc7chicago.com/9-dead-54-wounded-in-weekend-shootings-across-chicago/2330141/

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

we don't push them to kill each other though but I am sure somebody on this forum will come up with some excuse

Little education, little prospect of a better life and this is what you get.

It has nothing to do with the color of the skin and everything to do with society as a whole.

There are a million reasons why. I don't have answers

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I don't think it was. It's simple, put the statues in a museum. Problem solved, they are off the streets and held in a place where you can view history. However people are over exaggerating that rally that happened. When black on black violence occurs EVERY DAY at an alarming rate, especially in chicago. I mean google every weekend, this is what pulls up. Is that acceptable? are we really gonna act like there isn't a problem with black on black violence or are we gonna ignore it and blame white people?

http://abc7chicago.com/9-dead-54-wounded-in-weekend-shootings-across-chicago/2330141/

While not great the crime rate in Chicago is getting lower.

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Chicago-Illinois.html

While the crime rate in Gresham is steadily getting higher.

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Gresham-Oregon.html

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Little education, little prospect of a better life and this is what you get.

It has nothing to do with the color of the skin and everything to do with society as a whole.

There are a million reasons why. I don't have answers

Chicago had one of the most crooked police departments in the nation. I think cleaning that up will start to have an effect on crime. If you don't trust the police you won't use them to fix the problems.

 

[barfo]

I don't think it was. It's simple, put the statues in a museum. Problem solved, they are off the streets and held in a place where you can view history. However people are over exaggerating that rally that happened. When black on black violence occurs EVERY DAY at an alarming rate, especially in chicago. I mean google every weekend, this is what pulls up. Is that acceptable? are we really gonna act like there isn't a problem with black on black violence or are we gonna ignore it and blame white people?

http://abc7chicago.com/9-dead-54-wounded-in-weekend-shootings-across-chicago/2330141/

Then why are you talking about Chicago when cancer kills way more people EVERY DAY? Are we really gonna act like there isn't a problem with cancer or are we gonna ignore it and blame white people?

barfo

 

[Cippy91]

While not great the crime rate in Chicago is getting lower.

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Chicago-Illinois.html

While the crime rate in Gresham is steadily getting higher.

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Gresham-Oregon.html

It is getting higher in chicago, check the numbers again. Gresham is bad, but guess what? minorities. Gang shit. Don't know what the attraction is but that's what it is

 

[Cippy91]

Then why are you talking about Chicago when cancer kills way more people EVERY DAY? Are we really gonna act like there isn't a problem with cancer or are we gonna ignore it and blame white people?

barfo

weak reply. Try again. Just dismissing all the black murders in chicago but I bet you would be quick to point it out if it was white on black crime.

 

[Cippy91]

You guys are literally blaming everybody else for the overwhelming amounts of violence proven by statistics in black communities but okay okay

 

[Cippy91]

Little education, little prospect of a better life and this is what you get.

It has nothing to do with the color of the skin and everything to do with society as a whole.

There are a million reasons why. I don't have answers

Well somebody explain to me why it seems to be minorities joining these gangs or getting involved in violence. If nobody has the answer then why is everybody talking like they know, why aren't they calling it how it is?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It is getting higher in chicago, check the numbers again. Gresham is bad, but guess what? minorities. Gang shit. Don't know what the attraction is but that's what it is

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Read more: http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Chicago-Illinois.html#ixzz4qcnvdAel

A 1% increase over one year vs a massive decrease over the previous 13 years.

They have a lot of work to do as a city and local communities but I would say things are slowly getting better.

 

[barfo]

weak reply. Try again. Just dismissing all the black murders in chicago but I bet you would be quick to point it out if it was white on black crime.

I would? I think you are probably incorrect.

But, the point is, if you want to talk about Chicago, go ahead. I agree it isn't a good situation. Neither is Nazis. People should feel free to discuss either one or both. It's not an choose-only-one situation.

barfo

 

[Cippy91]

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Read more: http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Chicago-Illinois.html#ixzz4qcnvdAel

A 1% increase over one year vs a massive decrease over the previous 13 years.

They have a lot of work to do as a city and local communities but I would say things are slowly getting better.

holy fuck sly so okay say it is getting better even by the slightest margin, you are still ignoring the fact it's still high and 9 died over the weekend. But hey its getting slowly better so fuck the 9 people

 

[Sedatedfork]

Little education, little prospect of a better life and this is what you get.

It has nothing to do with the color of the skin and everything to do with society as a whole.

There are a million reasons why. I don't have answers

I think that a lot of crime is related to lack of economic opportunity. MLK's dream was not just about breaking down racial inequalities, but also bringing all people out of poverty to where the American dream was attainable for all.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Well somebody explain to me why it seems to be minorities joining these gangs or getting involved in violence. If nobody has the answer then why is everybody talking like they know, why aren't they calling it how it is?

I'm sure Denny knows. He knows everything.

 

[Cippy91]

I would? I think you are probably incorrect.

But, the point is, if you want to talk about Chicago, go ahead. I agree it isn't a good situation. Neither is Nazis. People should feel free to discuss either one or both. It's not an choose-only-one situation.

barfo

This post isn't about nazis isn't it? I think everybody has voiced their opinions on nazis, haven't seen one person on the forum say the neo nazis are good however any time chicago comes up, you lefties roll up and make excuses about chicago dancing around the facts. 9 died last weekend but hey I am barfo let me deflect for you right quick because black people can't do any wrong just like your reply to the troops in the middle east. " herp derp look the numbers have gone down, obama did it yay!", no he didn't, people are still there, and I didn't exclude trump because he is guilty too. Wanna talk about Obamas drone killings as well as his whistleblower policy he backed out on with snowden and manning? exactly. Whatever fits your ideology

 

[SlyPokerDog]

holy fuck sly so okay say it is getting better even by the slightest margin, you are still ignoring the fact it's still high and 9 died over the weekend. But hey its getting slowly better so fuck the 9 people

I'm not saying that at all. Actually I've gone completely out of my way to not say that. They have a lot of work to do but as I've said things are slowly getting better.

There are no easy answers, there is no anti-crime wand that can be waved. It's going to take the police working with communities and communities working with the police.

 

[Cippy91]

I think that a lot of crime is related to lack of economic opportunity. MLK's dream was not just about breaking down racial inequalities, but also bringing all people out of poverty to where the American dream was attainable for all.

Okay so now we are saying the reason why others kill people is for economic opportunity? hmmm seems a lot of excuses being thrown on this forum. Fucked up people kill others. Of all races. To ignore however, the substantial evidence of black on black crime in this country is ignorant and there is something there. Black lives matter doesn't talk about it. Find that interesting

 

[barfo]

This post isn't about nazis isn't it?

Your post? No. This thread, as I understand it, is analyzing a cartoon that basically says "don't talk about Nazis, talk about Chicago". As if we could talk about only one thing.

I think everybody has voiced their opinions on nazis, haven't seen one person on the forum say the neo nazis are good however any time chicago comes up, you lefties roll up and make excuses about chicago dancing around the facts. 9 died last weekend but hey I am barfo let me deflect for you right quick because black people can't do any wrong

Huh? You mean I have to express some opinion about Chicago to satisfy you? Ok. Shootings are very bad. We should stop them if we can. Happy now?

just like your reply to the troops in the middle east. " herp derp look the numbers have gone down, obama did it yay!", no he didn't, people are still there

Both things can be true, numbers can go down and not go to zero. Do you really think there is no difference between 100,000 and 8,000?

, and I didn't exclude trump because he is guilty too. Wanna talk about Obamas drone killings as well as his whistleblower policy he backed out on with snowden and manning? exactly. Whatever fits your ideology

If you say something interesting about drone killings or whistleblower policies, I might respond, sure.

barfo