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I'm not saying that at all. Actually I've gone completely out of my way to not say that. They have a lot of work to do but as I've said things are slowly getting better.

There are no easy answers, there is no anti-crime wand that can be waved. It's going to take the police working with communities and communities working with the police.
Well the situation in chicago practically needs the military there if you have seen videos of that place at night. Cops don't wanna go anywhere near a war zone. To blame this on economic status is ridiculous. I have seen tons of poor people who don't go around killing each other while people are making excuses up for it. "Oh well they are murdering each other because they are poor, look at what the white people did". That's bullshit. If there was a place where white on white crime was crazy, I would be quick to point that shit out too because none of it is okay. However it's true people ignore the chicago situation because it quickly derails their whole ideology. Here in Gresham, there has been murders as well, mostly mexican. Why is it like that? I have no clue but these guys know what they are doing, tatted up in gang shit, they know what they are getting into. But hey it's because they are poor so it's okay. Come on
 
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(Let's ignore the obvious problem that this guy highlights:
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On the back is a big picture of Trump with a quote from him from his campaign saying inner cities are terrible and hes going to fix them.
 
Okay so now we are saying the reason why others kill people is for economic opportunity? hmmm seems a lot of excuses being thrown on this forum. Fucked up people kill others. Of all races. To ignore however, the substantial evidence of black on black crime in this country is ignorant and there is something there. Black lives matter doesn't talk about it. Find that interesting
I said a lot of crime. You conflated that to mean murder.
 
I said a lot of crime. You conflated that to mean murder.
well I don't know. I think it's just whatever people fall into. There are plenty of success stories of people making it out of the hood and never getting involved in that. I think it's a combination of things and I think anybody who is willing to kill somebody over the smallest things happen to be a mental issue. Mix that with the hopelessness of being in that situation most of the time the father not in the picture, a lot of anger there. I just find it to be hypocritical in a way we highlight the 4 or 5 times a year a story goes national on a white cop killing a black dude meanwhile every day, every weekend, many more die and nobody cares because there is no race thing to promote by media and create more division.
 
If everyone would just hate everyone else the same amount, this world would be such a better place!
 
well I don't know. I think it's just whatever people fall into. There are plenty of success stories of people making it out of the hood and never getting involved in that. I think it's a combination of things and I think anybody who is willing to kill somebody over the smallest things happen to be a mental issue. Mix that with the hopelessness of being in that situation most of the time the father not in the picture, a lot of anger there. I just find it to be hypocritical in a way we highlight the 4 or 5 times a year a story goes national on a white cop killing a black dude meanwhile every day, every weekend, many more die and nobody cares because there is no race thing to promote by media and create more division.
You know you are right to a large degree. People care about something because it is in the news and visible to them. People fail to recognize that this shit happens all the time and nobody hears about all the other times it happens. For example, Brock Turner is a drop in the pan. I have spoken to people about that case who work in direct services for survivors of sexual assault and violence and also sexual offender treatment providers. The case is not actually that unusual. You don't hear about the other cases, even though they are widespread and rampant. You also never hear about Brock's case anymore. That's old news.

Similarly, people die all the time in senseless ways. With Heather Heyer though it is quite a bit different and understandably so. We all witnessed her senseless death on video. We all heard the President incredibly seem to blame both sides for her death (I know he may not have directly said that or meant that, but in the context of what had happened and what he said, it was pretty easy to come away with that impression and the way he doubled down last week was certainly no help). We don't see video of these shootings in Chicago. There are not large demonstrations about it. When a police officer kills somebody, the state has put this person in a position of power and provided them a weapon and they have killed someone. They are also in a position of power, because of the blue line. There is distrust that these killings will be properly investigated. It is not the same as Dude #1 shooting and killing Dude #2. It's different. It's still a problem, but who do you protest when Dude #1 kills Dude #2? Who is more likely to go to prison/jail, Dude #1 or Cop #1? I'm not quite sure what you think should be done differently? You want the news to stop covering officer shootings? You want people to stop caring about officer shootings? You want people to protest against Dude #1?
 
You know you are right to a large degree. People care about something because it is in the news and visible to them. People fail to recognize that this shit happens all the time and nobody hears about all the other times it happens. For example, Brock Turner is a drop in the pan. I have spoken to people about that case who work in direct services for survivors of sexual assault and violence and also sexual offender treatment providers. The case is not actually that unusual. You don't hear about the other cases, even though they are widespread and rampant. You also never hear about Brock's case anymore. That's old news.

Similarly, people die all the time in senseless ways. With Heather Heyer though it is quite a bit different and understandably so. We all witnessed her senseless death on video. We all heard the President incredibly seem to blame both sides for her death (I know he may not have directly said that or meant that, but in the context of what had happened and what he said, it was pretty easy to come away with that impression and the way he doubled down last week was certainly no help). We don't see video of these shootings in Chicago. There are not large demonstrations about it. When a police officer kills somebody, the state has put this person in a position of power and provided them a weapon and they have killed someone. They are also in a position of power, because of the blue line. There is distrust that these killings will be properly investigated. It is not the same as Dude #1 shooting and killing Dude #2. It's different. It's still a problem, but who do you protest when Dude #1 kills Dude #2? Who is more likely to go to prison/jail, Dude #1 or Cop #1? I'm not quite sure what you think should be done differently? You want the news to stop covering officer shootings? You want people to stop caring about officer shootings? You want people to protest against Dude #1?
No, cover it but only if it's justified, if the officer is for sure guilty and there is no way around it then yeah protest that shit, put it on the news. However, when EVERY single killing justified or not gets put on blast in the media, it starts to get weird. There are also white people that killed by cops, how come that doesn't make the news ever? it's because media is all about propaganda and misinformation. They love a good race baiting story. I hear nothing about some of these inner cities like in Chicago. Nothing. Why? shouldn't americas attention be on that and how to help it? shouldn't be all be working to fix it or find ways to help?
 
I will just throw out a guess at what the back page story is about. Everyone knows the Democrats in Chicago blame guns for the hyper violence in Chicago.
Perhaps Jeff Seccions has decided to call the Democrats hand to end the violence in Chicago. He will look the other way while they make it illegal for Black people to own guns.
Stop, frisk, and confiscate starts Thursday.
 
We can't talk about statues because 7 died in Chicago? We can't talk about Chicago because 443,000 people died last year from cigarettes. That's how it works right? One completely unrelated topic can trump another. Cigarettes for the win motha fucka!
 
Then why are you talking about Chicago when cancer kills way more people EVERY DAY? Are we really gonna act like there isn't a problem with cancer or are we gonna ignore it and blame white people?

barfo
damn, I responded before reading this poignant post. Huzza
 
We can't talk about statues because 7 died in Chicago? We can't talk about Chicago because 443,000 people died last year from cigarettes. That's how it works right? One completely unrelated topic can trump another. Cigarettes for the win motha fucka!
it's every weekend. From murder, not cigs
 
it's every weekend. From murder, not cigs
but pure body count has cigs way in the lead.
Cigs = 443,000, Murders in C-town = 762

The thread was about that cartoon that was making a point that people are consumed with "statues" when murders are happening in Chicago. my point is that one has nothing to do with the other. I can be irate about the alt-right, I can be pissed about the Cavs trade and I can be distraught by the smoking epidemic in America and the toll it takes on our young and on the healthcare system. Saying one thing is bad so we can't discuss anything that isn't up to that level is buffoonery
 
but pure body count has cigs way in the lead.
Cigs = 443,000, Murders in C-town = 762

The thread was about that cartoon that was making a point that people are consumed with "statues" when murders are happening in Chicago. my point is that one has nothing to do with the other. I can be irate about the alt-right, I can be pissed about the Cavs trade and I can be distraught by the smoking epidemic in America and the toll it takes on our young and on the healthcare system. Saying one thing is bad so we can't discuss anything that isn't up to that level is buffoonery
sure
 
We do? Who is we?
white people. You know, the almighty evil race. Black people aren't guilty for anything because we did everything therefor they can pull the card out even more so today than ever because of stupid ass white people who go with it
 
Then why are you talking about Chicago when cancer kills way more people EVERY DAY? Are we really gonna act like there isn't a problem with cancer or are we gonna ignore it and blame white people?

barfo

Well for one someone who has cancer didn't have a choice. Those that murder others do???
 
Well for one someone who has cancer didn't have a choice. Those that murder others do???
Sure they do. Many lung cancer sufferers smoked. Many liver cancer sufferers drank. Skin cancer caused by suntanning. Pancreatic cancer--probably ate too much sugar. Cervical cancer--bet you regret that unprotected sex now. Breast cancer--shouldn't have chosen to be a woman.

Can't believe you have so much sympathy for these people and their self-inflicted maladies. And don't even get me started on heart disease...
 
I lived in Chicago for 25 years. The city is racially divided, north and south. It's one of the most racially divided cities I've ever seen, in general. There are entire neighborhoods for the various ethnicities: greek, italian, etc.

There was a mass migration of blacks to Chicago in the 50's and 60's. During that time, whites resented it and did all sorts of things to their new neighbors. From where toxic waste dumps were zoned to denial of services to diversion of education funding from the schools that black kids attended. The north side was rich, the south side not so much. Many of the whites who lived in the south side moved away, taking their wealth with them.

They built "projects" to house blacks, then built freeways around them as a sort of prison wall. It was difficult to have any economic success in those conditions. The amount of crime was talked up to scare people from going into those neighborhoods.

Add in that the police have brutalized young black men over the decades and have harassed the people in their neighborhoods, and you've got a lot of not so happy people. Understandably.

When the city ran its first black mayor (as a democrat), 2/3 of the democrats voted against him in the primaries (he won in a 3 way race with a plurality of about 1/3), and then about 1/2 of them voted against him in the general. Democrats typically win the mayoral race there with 70% or more of the vote.

I moved away a year after that. About that time, the news on WGN was all about house fires and community events. A year later, the news on WGN was all about body bags.

I don't claim to know everything, but I do know you really need to treat people as human beings.
 
I lived in Chicago for 25 years. The city is racially divided, north and south. It's one of the most racially divided cities I've ever seen, in general. There are entire neighborhoods for the various ethnicities: greek, italian, etc.

There was a mass migration of blacks to Chicago in the 50's and 60's. During that time, whites resented it and did all sorts of things to their new neighbors. From where toxic waste dumps were zoned to denial of services to diversion of education funding from the schools that black kids attended. The north side was rich, the south side not so much. Many of the whites who lived in the south side moved away, taking their wealth with them.

They built "projects" to house blacks, then built freeways around them as a sort of prison wall. It was difficult to have any economic success in those conditions. The amount of crime was talked up to scare people from going into those neighborhoods.

Add in that the police have brutalized young black men over the decades and have harassed the people in their neighborhoods, and you've got a lot of not so happy people. Understandably.

When the city ran its first black mayor (as a democrat), 2/3 of the democrats voted against him in the primaries (he won in a 3 way race with a plurality of about 1/3), and then about 1/2 of them voted against him in the general. Democrats typically win the mayoral race there with 70% or more of the vote.

I moved away a year after that. About that time, the news on WGN was all about house fires and community events. A year later, the news on WGN was all about body bags.

I don't claim to know everything, but I do know you really need to treat people as human beings.

How long now has the city been run by Democrats?
 
The cartoon is more whitesplaining to black people about what we "need to focus on instead since it's a bigger problem".
White folk talk about black on black crime and then throw out percentages of us murdering our "own kind" at a 93% clip.
All the while never mentioning the fact that whites kill their own at an 84% clip with no mention of "white on white" crime.

It's cartoons like this and made up constructs like "black on black" crime that separate us instead of bringing us together.
 

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