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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 3 2008, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I look at it quite differently. The Nets have already attempted a rebuild based upon 3 mismatched perimeter players in a conference that had Shaq and the Pistons. Now the Nets need to rebuild again and the conference has changed once again. The Pistons are still the Pistons and Shaq is gone, but LeBron has become a force and the Celtics have a mini all star team. Add in an emerging Dwight Howard and a Toronto team that already passed the Nets because of their team play.

The Nets pieces don't fit well enough to become a Pistons and the talent isn't sufficient to match up with the others deep in the playoffs. That is why I'm fixated on building around lottery picks in 2008 and 2009.</div>

While I appreciate your opinion, I have to say I disagree somewhat. It seems to me that you're looking at the the conference (and the Nets' chances) statically instead of dynamically. Everything is fluid. SImply because these teams are better today doesn't necessarily mandate that they'll be better tomorrow. Players get injured; players get old. Players leave as free agents; teams make poor management decisions. The Pistons and Celtics are old; it remains to be seen whether Orlando and Cleveland can build a legitimate contender around their respective stars; and there's no reason why the Nets can't replicate (or surpass) Toronto's success merely by improving the bench.

By focusing entirely on the lottery, you are condemning the team to a long-term plan, where they would be unable to step into a void if a few of those teams falter. Also, there is no guarantee that they'll be able to parlay a couple of mid-lottery picks into a winning formula; a lot has to go right, and there have been many instances where teams have had numerous lottery picks in consectuive years and have been unable to improve. It seems like more often than not, a team can improve quicker and more by simply trading the lottery pick away for an established player. If the Nets do end up with the #9 or #10 pick, who is to say that they couldn't exchange it for a Mike Miller-type?

I understand that, as a fan, you want the Nets to fail and get a good player in the draft . . . but as an organization, they can't do that . . . they still have to sell tickets, to get fans to watch the telecasts and buy merchandise . . . and the players themselves are going to try as hard as they can, because they want to stay in the league as long as they can. I think that, at worst, they'll be where they are now, with around the tenth to twelvth worst record, and that just isn't low enough to ensure a high-quality player who could make an immediate impact.
 
First and foremost hello to everyone. My PC died and I have had no cash to fix.... So Im sorry my substandard aussie joke have been missing. BTW, internet cafes are shizen... Good Charlotte? AAaaaaaggggh

Anyhow next season. First and foremost, Frank must be let go. He is not a developmental coach and a rebuilding process under Frank will involve young talent on the bench and vet min scrubs on the court. Fact.

Replacement coach wishlist; John Lucas, JVG, Terry Porter (he was screwed in Milwaukee, but his in game decision making with the squad he had was better than Frank), Bill Cartwright, Scott Skiles (Good rebuilding coach, if kept in mind players tune him out in 2.5 seasons on average) and *gasp* Larry Brown.

Forget Elton. He is a workhorse but to be truely influential he must be teamed with a solid centre. Im not talking about stats but about winning games. I think depending on what the clippers would want, it would be worth a run at Kaman. Really. I think with him at pivot, Sean would be a helluva lot more effective. However with Kaman as a BYC player it does make it tricky. However this is the Pivot we need in a Net uniform.

Beg Swift to leave. He is a reasonable player that doesnt fit in our system. Pray that Philly or GS take interest in him.

Keep Ager and play him heavily during summer league. Cut him unless he starts replicating the form that got him drafted in the first place.

Re-sign Diop. Let Curly Walk. Really. Thats only my opinion though. Dont post 1,000 reasons why he must stay. I think his best BBall in a nets jersey in behind him.

Draft according to BPA, not position. Remember Antoine Wright. Shudder. Sigh.

Hope like hell we make it outta the lottery next year.

BTW, Universe, that VC trade makes sense. Nice.
 
WTF I was wondering where you went! haha glad to have you back.
 
I thought Antoine Wright was supposed to be BPA at the time? Wasn't he projected as a lottery pick? Idk.

Glad you're back. We missed you duw! Hopefully, you could tolerate shizen-y internet cafes and bad charlotte so we could see more of you.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 4 2008, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I thought Antoine Wright was supposed to be BPA at the time? Wasn't he projected as a lottery pick? Idk.</div>
Yup
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 4 2008, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 4 2008, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I thought Antoine Wright was supposed to be BPA at the time? Wasn't he projected as a lottery pick? Idk.</div>
Yup
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Wright wasn't the BPA available though. Rod was too afraid of Granger's knee.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Apr 4 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Apr 4 2008, 11:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Apr 4 2008, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I thought Antoine Wright was supposed to be BPA at the time? Wasn't he projected as a lottery pick? Idk.</div>
Yup
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Wright wasn't the BPA available though. Rod was too afraid of Granger's knee.
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That's right. But I thought they were still ranked pretty evenly, no? Like Granger 1A and Wright 1B.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Apr 4 2008, 02:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First and foremost hello to everyone. My PC died and I have had no cash to fix.... So Im sorry my substandard aussie joke have been missing. BTW, internet cafes are shizen... Good Charlotte? AAaaaaaggggh

Anyhow next season. First and foremost, Frank must be let go. He is not a developmental coach and a rebuilding process under Frank will involve young talent on the bench and vet min scrubs on the court. Fact.

Replacement coach wishlist; John Lucas, JVG, Terry Porter (he was screwed in Milwaukee, but his in game decision making with the squad he had was better than Frank), Bill Cartwright, Scott Skiles (Good rebuilding coach, if kept in mind players tune him out in 2.5 seasons on average) and *gasp* Larry Brown.

Forget Elton. He is a workhorse but to be truely influential he must be teamed with a solid centre. Im not talking about stats but about winning games. I think depending on what the clippers would want, it would be worth a run at Kaman. Really. I think with him at pivot, Sean would be a helluva lot more effective. However with Kaman as a BYC player it does make it tricky. However this is the Pivot we need in a Net uniform.

amen

Beg Swift to leave. He is a reasonable player that doesnt fit in our system. Pray that Philly or GS take interest in him.

Keep Ager and play him heavily during summer league. Cut him unless he starts replicating the form that got him drafted in the first place.

Re-sign Diop. Let Curly Walk. Really. Thats only my opinion though. Dont post 1,000 reasons why he must stay. I think his best BBall in a nets jersey in behind him.

Draft according to BPA, not position. Remember Antoine Wright. Shudder. Sigh.

Hope like hell we make it outta the lottery next year.

BTW, Universe, that VC trade makes sense. Nice.</div>
 
I'll jump in with something completely different. . .

First, what ails the Nets? Thorn and Frank and most people here keep saying we need shooters. But what does that mean? We always seem (lately) to wind up going after guys that can shoot but don't do anything else (House, Boki, Padgett, now Ager. . .). I fail to see how that gets us closer to being *very* good. Maybe as a final piece to the puzzle this is fine, but not at the level of need we are building frmo right now. IMHO, our biggest problem on offense is that our bigs do not have enough scoring power. Except when Krly is on his game (rare lately), we are playing 3-on-5 on offense. Boone and eventually Smokey are good 5th option type players on offense - and maybe Smokey will turn into a 4th option. But I think the #1 goal ought to be changing our current rotation of valuable defensive-minded bigs into a unit with more punch. And we ought to be thinking long-term, not quick-fix. After we address that issue, we can go to work on the bench, the complementary players, etc.

Second, I agree with those who have pointed out that now is not the time to trade VC or RJ . There is no market for them You have to wait until they are in the final 1 or 2 years of their contracts. Until then, they are going to be our mainstays. That doesn't mean we build around them for the long run, but I just don't think trading them right now is going to be fruitful.

So. . .
Let's assume we get the 10th and 20th (and 40th) picks in the draft. What are we going to get at #10? DE and nbadraft suggest the best players left at that point will be another complementary big - maybe Kevin Love or DeAndre Jordan. Alternatively, a 2 might drop, like Mayo or Westbrook. I would look to trade this pick. My suggestion (bracing to duck the rotten vegetables): trade Smokey, Ager and the #10 to Milwaukee for Yi. I think Yi would fit in much better in the NY area and be able to bloom here. I think we've only seen the tip of his potential, which is to be a #2 scorer on a very good team and a good help defender. Would Milwaukee go for it? I don't know. They are replacing the GM who drafted him, though.

At #20 I love CDR. DE and nbadraft seem to disagree on his upside, but I see another Kerry Kittles developing. Or maybe a cross between Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince. At #40 I have no idea. Those picks rarely amount to anything, though.

As for the rest of the roster, I would: re-sign Diop for 3-4 years, sign the QO for Nenad to get another 1-year look at him, and bring in another crusty veteran as a deep back-up at the 1 (or just re-sign Armstrong). Finally, I'd add that shooter. Boki is fine if he gives us a discount . Otherwise, how about Siskauskas from Russia?

My 2008-9 roster:

Harris - Bandit - Armstrong
Carter - CDR
RJ - Siskauskas - Hassell
Boone - Yi - Swift
Krly - Diop
 
[quote name='Lurk182' post='1591748' date='Apr 5 2008, 08:29 AM']I'll jump in with something completely different. . .

First, what ails the Nets? Thorn and Frank and most people here keep saying we need shooters. But what does that mean? We always seem (lately) to wind up going after guys that can shoot but don't do anything else (House, Boki, Padgett, now Ager. . .). I fail to see how that gets us closer to being *very* good. Maybe as a final piece to the puzzle this is fine, but not at the level of need we are building frmo right now. IMHO, our biggest problem on offense is that our bigs do not have enough scoring power. Except when Krly is on his game (rare lately), we are playing 3-on-5 on offense. Boone and eventually Smokey are good 5th option type players on offense - and maybe Smokey will turn into a 4th option. But I think the #1 goal ought to be changing our current rotation of valuable defensive-minded bigs into a unit with more punch. And we ought to be thinking long-term, not quick-fix. After we address that issue, we can go to work on the bench, the complementary players, etc.

Second, I agree with those who have pointed out that now is not the time to trade VC or RJ . There is no market for them You have to wait until they are in the final 1 or 2 years of their contracts. Until then, they are going to be our mainstays. That doesn't mean we build around them for the long run, but I just don't think trading them right now is going to be fruitful.

So. . .
Let's assume we get the 10th and 20th (and 40th) picks in the draft. What are we going to get at #10? DE and nbadraft suggest the best players left at that point will be another complementary big - maybe Kevin Love or DeAndre Jordan. Alternatively, a 2 might drop, like Mayo or Westbrook. I would look to trade this pick. My suggestion (bracing to duck the rotten vegetables): trade Smokey, Ager and the #10 to Milwaukee for Yi. I think Yi would fit in much better in the NY area and be able to bloom here. I think we've only seen the tip of his potential, which is to be a #2 scorer on a very good team and a good help defender. Would Milwaukee go for it? I don't know. They are replacing the GM who drafted him, though.

At #20 I love CDR. DE and nbadraft seem to disagree on his upside, but I see another Kerry Kittles developing. Or maybe a cross between Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince. At #40 I have no idea. Those picks rarely amount to anything, though.

As for the rest of the roster, I would: re-sign Diop for 3-4 years, sign the QO for Nenad to get another 1-year look at him, and bring in another crusty veteran as a deep back-up at the 1 (or just re-sign Armstrong). Finally, I'd add that shooter. Boki is fine if he gives us a discount . Otherwise, how about Siskauskas from Russia?

My 2008-9 roster:

Harris - Bandit - Armstrong
Carter - CDR
RJ - Siskauskas - Hassell
Boone - Yi - Swift
Krly - Diop[/quo



First of all... Who the hell is smokey? is that a new nickname? idk... And dude armstrong is retiring after this season... hell probably be a coach or assistan next season. Then who the hell is CDR? siskauskas? ummmm And no way in helll we want YI.. hes like the next boki.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 5 2008, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lurk182 @ Apr 5 2008, 08:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'll jump in with something completely different. . .

So. . .
Let's assume we get the 10th and 20th (and 40th) picks in the draft. What are we going to get at #10? DE and nbadraft suggest the best players left at that point will be another complementary big - maybe Kevin Love or DeAndre Jordan. Alternatively, a 2 might drop, like Mayo or Westbrook. I would look to trade this pick. My suggestion (bracing to duck the rotten vegetables): trade Smokey, Ager and the #10 to Milwaukee for Yi. I think Yi would fit in much better in the NY area and be able to bloom here. I think we've only seen the tip of his potential, which is to be a #2 scorer on a very good team and a good help defender. Would Milwaukee go for it? I don't know. They are replacing the GM who drafted him, though.

At #20 I love CDR. DE and nbadraft seem to disagree on his upside, but I see another Kerry Kittles developing. Or maybe a cross between Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince. At #40 I have no idea. Those picks rarely amount to anything, though.

As for the rest of the roster, I would: re-sign Diop for 3-4 years, sign the QO for Nenad to get another 1-year look at him, and bring in another crusty veteran as a deep back-up at the 1 (or just re-sign Armstrong). Finally, I'd add that shooter. Boki is fine if he gives us a discount . Otherwise, how about Siskauskas from Russia?

My 2008-9 roster:

Harris - Bandit - Armstrong
Carter - CDR
RJ - Siskauskas - Hassell
Boone - Yi - Swift
Krly - Diop</div>


First of all... Who the hell is smokey? is that a new nickname? idk... And dude armstrong is retiring after this season... hell probably be a coach or assistan next season. Then who the hell is CDR? siskauskas? ummmm And no way in helll we want YI.. hes like the next boki.
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Smokey is Sean Williams, CDR is Chris Douglas Roberts and Lurk is on crack.

Even Isiah Thomas wouldn't make that trade...I mean Jesus Christ who would trade Sean Williams, Ager and the 10th pick for Yi?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 5 2008, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 5 2008, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lurk182 @ Apr 5 2008, 08:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'll jump in with something completely different. . .

So. . .
Let's assume we get the 10th and 20th (and 40th) picks in the draft. What are we going to get at #10? DE and nbadraft suggest the best players left at that point will be another complementary big - maybe Kevin Love or DeAndre Jordan. Alternatively, a 2 might drop, like Mayo or Westbrook. I would look to trade this pick. My suggestion (bracing to duck the rotten vegetables): trade Smokey, Ager and the #10 to Milwaukee for Yi. I think Yi would fit in much better in the NY area and be able to bloom here. I think we've only seen the tip of his potential, which is to be a #2 scorer on a very good team and a good help defender. Would Milwaukee go for it? I don't know. They are replacing the GM who drafted him, though.

At #20 I love CDR. DE and nbadraft seem to disagree on his upside, but I see another Kerry Kittles developing. Or maybe a cross between Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince. At #40 I have no idea. Those picks rarely amount to anything, though.

As for the rest of the roster, I would: re-sign Diop for 3-4 years, sign the QO for Nenad to get another 1-year look at him, and bring in another crusty veteran as a deep back-up at the 1 (or just re-sign Armstrong). Finally, I'd add that shooter. Boki is fine if he gives us a discount . Otherwise, how about Siskauskas from Russia?

My 2008-9 roster:

Harris - Bandit - Armstrong
Carter - CDR
RJ - Siskauskas - Hassell
Boone - Yi - Swift
Krly - Diop</div>


First of all... Who the hell is smokey? is that a new nickname? idk... And dude armstrong is retiring after this season... hell probably be a coach or assistan next season. Then who the hell is CDR? siskauskas? ummmm And no way in helll we want YI.. hes like the next boki.
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Smokey is Sean Williams, CDR is Chris Douglas Roberts and Lurk is on crack.

Even Isiah Thomas wouldn't make that trade...I mean Jesus Christ who would trade Sean Williams, Ager and the 10th pick for Yi?
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Oh thanks Joey. And i can answer your question. Some chinese GM that thinks YI is some kinda god would make the trade happen. Good thing we got thorn
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 5 2008, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 5 2008, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Apr 5 2008, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lurk182 @ Apr 5 2008, 08:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'll jump in with something completely different. . .

So. . .
Let's assume we get the 10th and 20th (and 40th) picks in the draft. What are we going to get at #10? DE and nbadraft suggest the best players left at that point will be another complementary big - maybe Kevin Love or DeAndre Jordan. Alternatively, a 2 might drop, like Mayo or Westbrook. I would look to trade this pick. My suggestion (bracing to duck the rotten vegetables): trade Smokey, Ager and the #10 to Milwaukee for Yi. I think Yi would fit in much better in the NY area and be able to bloom here. I think we've only seen the tip of his potential, which is to be a #2 scorer on a very good team and a good help defender. Would Milwaukee go for it? I don't know. They are replacing the GM who drafted him, though.

At #20 I love CDR. DE and nbadraft seem to disagree on his upside, but I see another Kerry Kittles developing. Or maybe a cross between Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince. At #40 I have no idea. Those picks rarely amount to anything, though.

As for the rest of the roster, I would: re-sign Diop for 3-4 years, sign the QO for Nenad to get another 1-year look at him, and bring in another crusty veteran as a deep back-up at the 1 (or just re-sign Armstrong). Finally, I'd add that shooter. Boki is fine if he gives us a discount . Otherwise, how about Siskauskas from Russia?

My 2008-9 roster:

Harris - Bandit - Armstrong
Carter - CDR
RJ - Siskauskas - Hassell
Boone - Yi - Swift
Krly - Diop</div>


First of all... Who the hell is smokey? is that a new nickname? idk... And dude armstrong is retiring after this season... hell probably be a coach or assistan next season. Then who the hell is CDR? siskauskas? ummmm And no way in helll we want YI.. hes like the next boki.
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Smokey is Sean Williams, CDR is Chris Douglas Roberts and Lurk is on crack.

Even Isiah Thomas wouldn't make that trade...I mean Jesus Christ who would trade Sean Williams, Ager and the 10th pick for Yi?
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Oh thanks Joey. And i can answer your question. Some chinese GM that thinks YI is some kinda god would make the trade happen. Good thing we got thorn
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Somebody here coined the term "Smokey and the Bandit" for our two troubled Williamses. I thought that was clever. Not sure why it didn't seem to stick.

Yi is not another Boki. More like a poor man's Nowitzki, in time. Boki is a 6-9, 220 lb small forward that Frank plays at the 4 out of necessity (see 3-on-5 comment above). Of course, we get killed on defense when he does that. Yi is, at 20 years of age, 6-11, 240. He is a legitimate PF who can score. He runs and shoots like Boki, but he also has some post moves that he can get off due to his size. Right now he may be a "fallen angel" in that he tailed off as the season wore on and is now shut down 'til the Olympics. I also believe Yi will continue to work hard on his game and get significantly better in the coming years. In my trade, Yi is the best player in the trade (including whoever you take at #10) right now, and he will continue to be the best player in the trade in each coming year. As a bonus, Yormark would be delighted to sell tickets and other stuff to many, many people who identify with Yi's nationality, both in the local area and worldwide.

What about Smokey, or SWAT or whatever else you want to call him? Forced to choose, I put him down as my favorite player. Partly because, when I went to the Nets-Wizards game in December I couldn't take my eyes off of him in the shootaround. He has electrifying athleticism, looks the part. But during that shootaround, he also looked like a goof-off. He wasn't serious about getting warmed up, wasn't working on his game. He was gazing up into the crowd looking for girls. He was taking wild-ass shots and not getting ready for anything. That made an impression on me. Of course, we already know he is a big question mark. He played how many games at BC before he was kicked out? He had a good run of games in January for us, but he has not seemed to stay with it. He looks like an angel on the verge of falling. Buy low and sell high, folks. BTW, I do think he has a good amount of upside, as a Kirilenko kind of player who guards SFs and gives a lot of help on defense, then scrapes together garbage points on the other end. But we don't need that kind of player (maybe Milwaukee could use one, though). We need a big who can score. Hard to find.
 
Wow guys, let's settle down. For the record, I'm not Chinese. Joey I understand what you are saying - in fact I already posted that I think Yi would gain the Nets fans from among its large Chinese and Chinese-American population, as well as being a marketing opportunity overseas. Of course this would be limited if he doesn't turn out to be a good-great player. But you can't take this too far. I offered an explanation for my high rating of Yi, especially for this team. I did not say, guys, I'm from China and I really want to see a Chinese player on the Nets. You offended people by making that jump for me, which is really what stereotyping is all about.

But first and foremost, I have a differing opinion about the guy *as a prospect*. He surely has some growing to do into the American game, but my point is, with his talent set I think he will develop those skills. I don't know what his dedication to the game is, but I infer from his taking on the challenge of being over here that he is very dedicated. Honestly, I don't see that from Williams, who should *already* be a fantastic player, but instead we are talking about maybe someday. Folks, these are the reasons Yi went #5 in the draft and Shawn fell to #17. The reason why you'd have to include a draft pick is that nobody would take Sean for Yi. The salary differences are not important here (although that's why I had to throw in Ager, who has little value right now to anyone).

BTW, I realize it's quite possible that both of these guys won't pan out. But I also realize that both have seen their stars rise and fall this season. People here seem pretty hyped up about Sean and the several weeks he flashed his potential. But take a look at what David Thorpe has had to say about Yi as the season has progressed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/rook...iod=1&set=1
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lurk182 @ Apr 6 2008, 08:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow guys, let's settle down. For the record, I'm not Chinese. Joey I understand what you are saying - in fact I already posted that I think Yi would gain the Nets fans from among its large Chinese and Chinese-American population, as well as being a marketing opportunity overseas. Of course this would be limited if he doesn't turn out to be a good-great player. But you can't take this too far. I offered an explanation for my high rating of Yi, especially for this team. I did not say, guys, I'm from China and I really want to see a Chinese player on the Nets. You offended people by making that jump for me, which is really what stereotyping is all about.

But first and foremost, I have a differing opinion about the guy *as a prospect*. He surely has some growing to do into the American game, but my point is, with his talent set I think he will develop those skills. I don't know what his dedication to the game is, but I infer from his taking on the challenge of being over here that he is very dedicated. Honestly, I don't see that from Williams, who should *already* be a fantastic player, but instead we are talking about maybe someday. Folks, these are the reasons Yi went #5 in the draft and Shawn fell to #17. The reason why you'd have to include a draft pick is that nobody would take Sean for Yi. The salary differences are not important here (although that's why I had to throw in Ager, who has little value right now to anyone).

BTW, I realize it's quite possible that both of these guys won't pan out. But I also realize that both have seen their stars rise and fall this season. People here seem pretty hyped up about Sean and the several weeks he flashed his potential. But take a look at what David Thorpe has had to say about Yi as the season has progressed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/rook...iod=1&set=1</div>
Thank You. To be honest I didn't want to get involved with what Claud was posting because he was being blatantly racist in his assertions, however I thought somebody needed to take the other side of the argument on. Fan bias exists...it's a reality...there is a reason Yao was voted as a starter ahead of Shaq for years fan bias. I think you get what I'm talking about.

As for Yi. While if he panned out I could see him being a great addition to any team given his built in fanbase and a huge marketing bonus if he panned out, I just don't think of him as worth the talent it would take to get him. Realistically we could pry Charlie Villanueva away from them for less then what Yi would cost us...to me it just doesnt make sense to pay for overrvalued talent.

Sean Williams has real potential...to me we won't see who he truly is as a player til around his third NBA season given his age, the fact that he had such a lengthy time period off due to him being kicked off his college team so early. He's been a model citizen since he's been here and looks to be a potential dominant powerforward.

As for Ager...he's expendable but I'd like to give him the rest of the summer, plus summer league to show us what kind of player he truly is...he was drafted in the 1st round for a reason...he has talent.

Finally the our pick...there are just so many options here...Batum will be available, Budinger, McGee possibly DeAndre...I'd like to give Thorn and Kiki the chance to use the pick to improve the team...

Just think it's way to much for one player.

I do like the idea of Chris Douglas Roberts with the Mavs pick...I think he's gonna be very solid pro and think he would thrive playing with Devin.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Apr 6 2008, 09:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lurk182 @ Apr 6 2008, 08:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow guys, let's settle down. For the record, I'm not Chinese. Joey I understand what you are saying - in fact I already posted that I think Yi would gain the Nets fans from among its large Chinese and Chinese-American population, as well as being a marketing opportunity overseas. Of course this would be limited if he doesn't turn out to be a good-great player. But you can't take this too far. I offered an explanation for my high rating of Yi, especially for this team. I did not say, guys, I'm from China and I really want to see a Chinese player on the Nets. You offended people by making that jump for me, which is really what stereotyping is all about.

But first and foremost, I have a differing opinion about the guy *as a prospect*. He surely has some growing to do into the American game, but my point is, with his talent set I think he will develop those skills. I don't know what his dedication to the game is, but I infer from his taking on the challenge of being over here that he is very dedicated. Honestly, I don't see that from Williams, who should *already* be a fantastic player, but instead we are talking about maybe someday. Folks, these are the reasons Yi went #5 in the draft and Shawn fell to #17. The reason why you'd have to include a draft pick is that nobody would take Sean for Yi. The salary differences are not important here (although that's why I had to throw in Ager, who has little value right now to anyone).

BTW, I realize it's quite possible that both of these guys won't pan out. But I also realize that both have seen their stars rise and fall this season. People here seem pretty hyped up about Sean and the several weeks he flashed his potential. But take a look at what David Thorpe has had to say about Yi as the season has progressed.

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Thank You. To be honest I didn't want to get involved with what Claud was posting because he was being blatantly racist in his assertions, however I thought somebody needed to take the other side of the argument on. Fan bias exists...it's a reality...there is a reason Yao was voted as a starter ahead of Shaq for years fan bias. I think you get what I'm talking about.

As for Yi. While if he panned out I could see him being a great addition to any team given his built in fanbase and a huge marketing bonus if he panned out, I just don't think of him as worth the talent it would take to get him. Realistically we could pry Charlie Villanueva away from them for less then what Yi would cost us...to me it just doesnt make sense to pay for overrvalued talent.

Sean Williams has real potential...to me we won't see who he truly is as a player til around his third NBA season given his age, the fact that he had such a lengthy time period off due to him being kicked off his college team so early. He's been a model citizen since he's been here and looks to be a potential dominant powerforward.

As for Ager...he's expendable but I'd like to give him the rest of the summer, plus summer league to show us what kind of player he truly is...he was drafted in the 1st round for a reason...he has talent.

Finally the our pick...there are just so many options here...Batum will be available, Budinger, McGee possibly DeAndre...I'd like to give Thorn and Kiki the chance to use the pick to improve the team...

Just think it's way to much for one player.

I do like the idea of Chris Douglas Roberts with the Mavs pick...I think he's gonna be very solid pro and think he would thrive playing with Devin.
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Fair enough. If you think Sean will become a dominant PF, then he has go to be a centerpiece of the plan going forward. The larger theme of my original post was that we need to find a player at the 4 or 5 that will be a #1 or #2 scorer, or even a really good #3 scorer, for the long term. Personally, I don't like the idea of going after Brand because I think he's going to wear down, if he hasn't already. If Sean is the guy, then so be it. I don't see that right now, but let's face it - we haven't actually seen that much of the guy so far. If he can study Bosh-ology and graduate cum laude, then by all means. . .

On the larger point, I'll venture that the plan I suggested bears some kinship with cpaw's point of view, and that is that we have to do something drastic to bring in the kind of exceptional player(s) that are needed to move up to the next level. I didn't actually even mean (originally) to marry the whole idea to Yi. Last year I would have made a push (including RJ and taking back a bad contract) for Lamarcus Aldridge. But now that he's blown up, I'd have no hope for that now. I'm sure Thorn and Kiki go through a million and one scenarios all the time, with many of them more wild-eyed than trading for Yi. . .
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lurk182 @ Apr 6 2008, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, since this thread seems doomed to continue into an examination of racial/ethnic/nationalist attitudes rather than GM strategies, I might as well add this.

I think Yi may actually be available at a cheaper price than his true value in part due to bias against him. The first thing that happened to him when he came over is everyone waited with bated breath for someone to dunk on him. And opposing players wanted to be that person with their highlight on Youtube. You can now find that highligh on Youtube. The same thing happened to Yao. These guys were expected to be man-handled. I think there was a biased factor to that. I think both Yao and Yi are tough enough to take these attitudes, adjust their games, and be all the more effective because of it. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I do think Milwaukee is a terrible place for him, though, both on the court and off. As Joey has pointed out, they already have Villanueva - why do they want another scoring PF who attacks from the outside in?</div>
This thread has been doomed from the start because honestly it was started about 2 months to early, the NCAA tourney isn't finished, no camps or workouts have been completed and there are still tons of athletes who could enter the draft to change a given plan. The free agent market is interesting but our activity in it is really dependent on how we draft...if we use both picks on wing players then players such as J.R. Smith and Michael Pietrus wouldn't interest us. Also what's the trade market like? Who will be available?

Just to soon to tell.
 
Yi is a good prospect but I think we have a bigger need for a Sean Williams-type (shot blocking, unreal athleticism) than an outside-in player, with the caveat that if we don't keep Krstic that changes things somewhat. Still, on a team that is one of the youngest in the NBA (excluding Carter and DA), potential becomes as important as present-day skill, and I see more in Sean.

Another thing to consider is the influence of the Chinese government. In a couple of articles collected on Hoopshype a while ago (right after Yao went down), there were reports that the Chinese government wanted Yi's minutes to go down since they'd need him more for the Olympics; sure enough, Yi saw less playing time.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Apr 7 2008, 06:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Yi is a good prospect but I think we have a bigger need for a Sean Williams-type (shot blocking, unreal athleticism) than an outside-in player, with the caveat that if we don't keep Krstic that changes things somewhat. Still, on a team that is one of the youngest in the NBA (excluding Carter and DA), potential becomes as important as present-day skill, and I see more in Sean.

Another thing to consider is the influence of the Chinese government. In a couple of articles collected on Hoopshype a while ago (right after Yao went down), there were reports that the Chinese government wanted Yi's minutes to go down since they'd need him more for the Olympics; sure enough, Yi saw less playing time.</div>

I do believe that, when Yao first got injured... I was like "Chinese government in affect"... same with Yi.

I feel like Yi has space to improve, he knows the game better than Sean and he will be a better offensive player, he also has size advantage.

As for sean, he has blocking skills better than Yi and he can run the floor better which suits the team. I just dont want him ending up as a bust.

As for size, I think we need someone bigger than both Yi and Sean who can mark bigs, (so that Frank can stop using BOKI!).. Sean seems more suitable for the 3rd spot. He needs to add weight... With that said I'd like to see how he has improved next year.... But I dont believe he will end up like Amare. After one or two years, I see Sean averaging around 10,7 and 2 blocks and Yi 14,8 1 block. Sean would probably look more comfortable on the court but would tune down his game so that it would be more suitable for the NBA pace, meaning he wont be seeking to dunk on someone almost every possesion. As for Yi, he would develop a more all-rounded game, I would like to see him bulk up as well.
 
Trade: RJ for Redd.
Waive: Ager, KVH
Resign: Krstic, Diop.
Draft: CDR, Courtney Lee, John Riek
 
I've spent far too much time pouring over stats and rosters and payrolls the last few days, trying to figure out what I would do in the coming months if I were the Nets GM (one of the luxuries of being self-employed). Below are my tentative conclusions, starting with the philosophy that I think should govern the Nets' decision-making over the next few years, followed by some specific moves (though not in any way intended to be exhaustive) that make sense based on that philosophy.

As usual, the lightning rod and the first matter to be addressed is what to do with Vince, the guy with franchise player talent and skill who, for some stretches every season, plays intensely enough to fulfill that potential and, for other stretches, does not. Despite legitimate criticisms of the length of his last contract (given his age), it otherwise reflects Vince's "half Kobe, half Tim Thomas" reputation. It pays low-end franchise player money, more than what youngsters like LeBron James and Dwight Howard will earn per year for the next couple, but less than what Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, and Baron Davis will be earning and eons less than what folks like Shaquille O'Neal, Jason Kidd, Jermaine O'Neal, Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant, and Rashard Lewis (yes, Rashard Lewis) will get per annum.

Still, considering his age, reputation, the length of his contract, and the fact that trading for any player of his salary is, logistically speaking, an incredibly complex and difficult task, he will be almost impossible to trade for at least another couple of years and will not, in that time frame, bring back anything close to a consolidation of the skill and basketball tangibles that he possesses, either in present players or in prospects. So, no matter how much some folks resist the thought, he IS the Nets’ franchise player at the moment. For at least the next 2-3 years, he will remain the team's most talented and capable all-round player and the one whose mere presence or absence on the court has the most impact on how it performs. (For some eye-opening stats in that regard, see 82games.com. Not even Kidd comes close to VC’s on/off court impact the last three years.)

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So -- absent a desire to be as terrible as possible for the short term; further erode the fan base, game attendance, and the organization's financial health; and place all hopes for the future on the improbabilities of lottery balls and the uncertainties of NBA prospect player evaluations -- the most sensible course is to try to acquire players that compliment Vince's game and that either have very low yearly salaries or contracts that expire in 2-3 years, when the era of the Nets as "Vince's team" will come to an end, one way or another.

Helping to justify this strategy is that it can also work to prepare the Nets for the summer of 2010, when LeBron James will likely become a free agent with two major incentives to move to Jersey/Brooklyn: a tremendous boost to his off-court income via terms of his Nike deal and a well-publicized close relationship with Nets minority owner Jay-Z. Forget lotteries and crossing your fingers four years in a row hoping you finally get a top pick and trying to figure out whose game translates to the NBA and how many years they might take to develop. The most probable franchise-transforming move the Nets can make in the foreseeable future -- by far -- is luring LeBron James in the summer of 2010.

The two plans -- building for LeBron in 2010 and around Vince now -- are largely harmonious: they are both versatile wing players who are best with the ball in their hands initiating the play, either out high or in the post, and will therefore need excellent long range shooters, offensive rebounders, bigs with good hands who can track the ball and create inside passing angles or roll and finish on pick and rolls, and at least one big with a good 20 foot jumper. And of course they'll need the usual: bigs who protect the paint, good team defenders, poised veterans who don't make a lot of stupid mistakes, and high BB IQ players who understand ball and player movement. Most importantly, the roster must be comprised of at least 6-7 players who each combine several of these qualities and who aren't badly below average on one end of the floor. One dimensional specialists (e.g., Boki) should not be figured for any rotation spot higher than 8th.

Based on 2007-08, the Nets have only 3 players complimenting Vince that fit that bill (I’m letting Boone in the group despite his terrible FT% and sometime difficulty finishing around defenders.) They have a couple of other players that MIGHT be two-way contributors next year or the following: Sean, if he develops a decent 12-15 foot jumper and minor ability to put the ball down one dribble and take it to the rim, and Nenad, if he can get back to having any kind of defensive mobility. Marcus is going from a question mark to a caution sign, not so much because of his bad defense (which has noticeably improved since the Kidd trade) but because of his offensive judgment and focus, which I think have actually regressed since his rookie campaign.

Even if the latter three players all improve next year, the Nets don't have a single player on the roster who could be called an outstanding long range shooter. Vince has the team's highest career 3-pt average at 38%, but his percentage is irrelevant for all the possessions where he is creating those shots instead of finishing them. I have high hopes that Harris, with burgeoning confidence, nice shot mechanics, and a full season of support from a new coach, will near that 40% mark next year, but that's not a sure bet. RJ is much improved from 3, this year especially. But he will likely never be great there. And since those are the two positions which figure to see the ball at the arc the majority of the time that Vince creates the defensive collapse, it’s imperative that shooting at one of those positions be upgraded.

This is all a round about way of saying that -- considering age, all-round skill, and size and length of contract -- I feel the smartest move is to trade RJ and a couple of the other pieces in an effort to improve overall depth and to fill the team’s biggest talent void: shooting. I love RJ, love his thoroughbred style and fearless finishing, love his candor and dry humor in interviews. But he is probably overpaid by about $4 M a year and, as a 27 year-old top 10 scorer this year, is likely to fetch more now than he ever will again. If the $13.2M salary owing him next year could somehow be split between a pair of excellent wing shooters/scorers who aren’t big defensive liabilities (e.g., Raja Bell, James Jones, Anthony Parker, Mike Miller, Mike Dunleavy, Jr.) who could finish the plays that come off of Carter/Harris penetration and kickouts, that would be a prudent exchange and would alone likely assure the Nets of a playoff berth next year.

But to contend in the conference, the Nets need more than a couple of shooters, starting with a big man that can score inside without being spoon fed at all times by the guards and who can also deny low post position on the other end and generally hinder or deter paint attacks. The list of big men who can do both these things is pretty short, and, of those, almost none seem obtainable by the Nets via trade or FA. But there might be a couple of options available this summer, depending upon how the playoffs shake out.

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Shaq (hear me out first!) could be one of those options. If he ultimately can't put the Suns over the hump against the likes of San Antonio or the Lakers, then the Shaq/Phoenix experiment has failed, as it was those teams he was clearly supposed to enable them to conquer. Or if they manage to beat one of those teams only to get run off the court by a team like Golden State or Denver or N.O., then the experiment will have failed for a different reason.

Admitting a $40M mistake (Shaq’s remaining salary for the next two years) won’t be easy nor will trying to rectify it. But if Kerr is willing to do both while Nash is still playing at or near the top of his game, he would likely be looking for a Sean Marion replacement, a high-flying small forward who thrives getting out ahead of the break and finishing off of laser passes from the best up-tempo point guard in the game. That’s RJ’s career in a nutshell, and it helps that he is better creating his own shot in the halfcourt than Marion, is only 27, and is coming off of his best statistical season, even if he is clearly inferior to Marion as a defender.

For Shaq’s part, he would be much more valuable to the Nets in the eastern conference than to the Suns in the western conference, IMO. With both VC as the main man and Frank as the head coach, the Nets will remain a tempo control team. No matter how much they probe for early opportunities, they are not going to push tempo for 48 minutes, I don’t care how fast Devin Harris is. They are also not going to look for more than about 26-28 minutes a game from Shaq and by those two factors alone will maximize his efficiency on the court.

What they will look for him to provide is exactly what he can still easily give them: an immense physical presence in the paint on both ends that can deny position to any player in the league, finish over anybody in the league, dominate defensive boards and generate quick outlets, set mammoth screens, track the ball off of penetration and create a passing target in the lane or an offensive rebound/putback, and someone you can still give the ball to on the block a few times a game with reasonable odds that he will do something productive with it. Even at his current age and reduced physical prowess, Shaq is light years ahead of any big man the Nets have in what he can give the team near the basket, particularly at the offensive end of the floor.

And those are just his tangibles. His intangibles are even more valuable to a team like the Nets. He is still a huge name in the league that commands interest from media and fans and a lingering sense of professional respect -- even fear -- from opponents. In short, he is still relevant in the NBA and would help ticket sales for a team that struggles to fill half the seats in its home arena and almost never sees national television coverage. He would easily own the largest set of testicles -- both literally and figuratively speaking -- of any Net player in history, an important asset for a team that has lacked both physical and mental toughness for years. For the first time since Charles Oakley left the Raptors, Vince would have a real bodyguard, and the Jason Richardsons of the league would know that if they put a hard foul on Devin, they would pay the price many times over on the other end. And, speaking of Vince, as recently as a year ago, when Shaq was asked which player he would most like to play with before ending his career, he named Vince, saying that Carter has never had the luxury of playing with a great big man and that he (Shaq) could do for Carter what he'd done for Bryant and Wade and "bring him to the next level". Especially given this context, does anyone doubt that O'Neal would be the best possible teammate for Carter, someone to compliment his game and protect him on court and hold him accountable in the lockeroom, something the other “leader” the Nets had never did?

So in view of these ideas, here are a pair of trades I would propose for the Nets this summer. To view them in the more visual-friendly Excel format with a summary of cap status for the next 3 summers, follow the link.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Trade #1:


New Jersey

GIVES:

Richard Jefferson $13,200,000.00
DeSagana Diop $2,500,000.00
Trenton Hassell $4,350,000.00

GETS:

Shaquille O'Neal $20,000,000.00
Raja Bell $5,000,000.00

OUTGOING: $20,050,000.00
ACTUAL INCOMING: $25,000,000.00
ALLOWED INCOMING: $25,162,500.00
TRADE COMPLIES: Yes
NET TO PAYROLL: $4,950,000.00


Phoenix

GIVES:

Shaquille O'Neal $20,000,000.00
Raja Bell $5,000,000.00

GETS:

Richard Jefferson $13,200,000.00
DeSagana Diop $2,500,000.00
Trenton Hassell $4,350,000.00

OUTGOING: $25,000,000.00
ACTUAL INCOMING: $20,050,000.00
ALLOWED INCOMING: $31,350,000.00
TRADE COMPLIES: Yes
NET TO PAYROLL: -$4,950,000.00


Trade #2:


New Jersey

GIVES:

Marcus Williams $1,262,520.00
Stromile Swift $6,200,000.00
Maurice Ager $1,042,440.00

GETS:

Anthony Parker $4,550,000.00
Joey Graham $2,449,184.00

OUTGOING: $7,242,440.00
ACTUAL INCOMING: $6,999,184.00
ALLOWED INCOMING: $9,153,050.00
TRADE COMPLIES: Yes
NET TO PAYROLL: -$243,256.00

Toronto

GIVES:

Anthony Parker $4,550,000.00
Joey Graham $2,449,184.00

GETS:

Corey Maggette $8,400,000.00

OUTGOING: $6,999,184.00
ACTUAL INCOMING: $8,400,000.00
ALLOWED INCOMING: $8,848,980.00
TRADE COMPLIES: Yes
NET TO PAYROLL: $1,400,816.00

LA Clippers

GIVES:

Corey Maggette $8,400,000.00


GETS:

Marcus Williams $1,262,520.00
Stromile Swift $6,200,000.00
Maurice Ager $1,042,440.00

OUTGOING: $8,400,000.00
ACTUAL INCOMING: $7,242,440.00
ALLOWED INCOMING: $10,600,000.00
TRADE COMPLIES: Yes
NET TO PAYROLL: -$1,157,560.00</div>

The Nets would put Diop in the Phoenix deal using a S&T and a major portion of their MLE (he would be BYC for trade purposes because his actual salary would be a significant raise to about $5M/year.) The reasons for this strategy are several: his inclusion would be key for Phoenix since he gives them most of the basketball tangibles they got O’Neal for in the first place but at a quarter of O’Neal’s salary, and that salary can be used by the Nets to help the numbers match; getting Diop in the deal frees the Suns to use their MLE on another player to replace Bell; and it helps the Nets leverage away Bell, who has two years left at a VERY reasonable $5M and change per and is a terrific two-way player that shoots 41% from 3 for his career, including each of the last 4 seasons. (Besides, any guy who clotheslines Kobe Bryant is a guy I want on my team.)

Also, to make numbers match, the Nets must put in, and the Suns must take back, Trenton Hassell, who is otherwise going to be $4.35M of wasted cap space the next two years. If we could get BOTH Bell and O’Neal for RJ and Diop while dumping Hassell’s salary, I would even include this year’s Dallas draft pick.

Knowing that the Clippers are looking for as many good PG prospects as possible, I think they would be open to trading Maggette for Marcus and filler, especially since Maggette may opt out anyway. They get an athletic PF and expiring contract in Swift, who’ll be playing to try to stay in the league, and a cheap shooting guard prospect to go along with the talented but frustrating Marcus.

Maggette would have to agree not to opt out or to execute a S & T with the Raptors. If he would agree, it’s easy to see why the deal makes sense for the Raps. They get a tough, elite athlete and all-round wing scorer/slasher in Maggette who consistently gets to the foul line more than any non-big and who has a nice jumper to go with the rest of the package. Mitchell would love him. The Nets get a terrific sharpshooter and two-way player in Parker, who has one year left on a cheap deal paying him 4.55 million for 08-09. Graham is a throw-in to make the numbers work, although he is a young, very athletic wing that might blossom with a change of scenery from the ogre he has for a coach. He’s in the third year of his rookie deal, and the Nets can look to keep him on the cheap next year if they like him. Along with Bell and Carter, the Nets would have a true veteran, 3-wing rotation that ALL can shoot and play defense. Carter would have to move back to SF, where he started his career. And except for the rare matchup against a LeBron physical type, I think it would make Carter even more effective, especially off the dribble.

To replace Marcus, the Nets would need a minimum wage veteran with some gas left in the tank, an Anthony Johnson type, and also a young PG prospect (draft pick, FA camp invitee, or even another vet). This might be riskier in terms of injury problems but still makes sense since Devin should be seeing 38+ minutes a night anyway and since Vince functions as a scoring PG so much in the half court anyway.

You could call the O'Neal move in particular a huge gamble, but only if you’re looking for a single instead of a home run. If you want to play it safe and stay mired in mediocrity, likely for many years, you can trade RJ away for an expiring contract and a young, safe wing prospect (e.g., LaFrentz and Outlaw or a pick). Or, if you’re lucky, you might land a young big man for him that has upside but is 3-4 years away from producing, if ever. Or you might get two mediocre wing players back for him. But his huge salary makes it hard to get both quality and quantity back for him.

If you’d rather maximize the roster for a two-year window with a mixture of proven veterans that just might be able to get you somewhere in the weak EC (with a motivated Carter looking to build a winning legacy before it’s too late, a proud, all-time great center returning to his state of birth to try to leave his career on a championship note, and a burgeoning point guard in Devin still anxious to carve out his place among elite point guards), then do something a little bold. The worst that can happen is that the Nets become the 07-08 Miami Heat for two years and land high lottery picks for 09 and 10 with $23.5M in cap space to go after LeBron in two years. (And isn't this what the "dump RJ/VC" folks are really after, anyway?) The best that can happen is that you go after LeBron anyway with the lure that your team just won a conference title or (ahem) even a championship.

I’m not saying that trading for O’Neal is the only thing the Nets should look to do this summer or even the best thing (and that's assuming he's even available, which he won't be if Phoenix takes a title or gets really close.) They could, for instance, look into acquiring Brad Miller and a young player/pick for RJ & Nenad, as Miller's contract also ends in 2010 and as he offers physical, interior toughness, great passing, and great shooting from the 5 spot (a significant upgrade over Nenad). Obviously if Brand were to opt out and LA were to look for a S&T, that would deserve priority consideration. But absent the acquisition of a VETERAN big that can do some damage on his own inside, the Nets can’t pretend to be title contenders, and there simply aren’t many such players you could even talk about acquiring. That’s why the O’Neal scenario makes sense as a “gamble” to me. The basketball risk is strictly short term and the entertainment value, at least, should be pretty high.


ETA: The site wouldn't let me upload the spreadsheet. Sorry.
 
Wow i kinda like the shaq idea... imagine vc and the diesel together for 2 years? with young devin and some new exciting players via draft picks? That would be awesome.
 
Fire Frank
Hire Mike O'Koren from the Wizards
Bring back the running game!!!! Focus on capitalizing on Devin Harris' speed and get guys that cun run with him, RJ, Sean etc

Draft DeAndre Jordan
Draft Chris Douglas-Roberts

Re-sign Diop
See if Atlanta would bite on a Carter & Krstic for a re-signed Josh Smith deal.

Reaching? hell yeah it is, but ATL cant keep Marvin, Al & Josh and Krstic; the sweetner to get it done; gives them a legit C. Boone, SWAT & Diop make him expendable.

Bibby, Johnson, Carter, Horford, Krstic, Williams as 6th man isn't a bad lineup for that club...
 
I say we send Vince to Cleveland for Eric Snow, Damon Jones, Joe Smith and 2 first rounders...
clear cap space now...
 
holy crap. that post by FOMW is the longest post i have ever seen on any message board. goddamn



lol
 
FOMW: I don't think the Suns would give up Raja for RJ straight up, let alone as a fill in. One of the rare underpaid players in the league (compared to league standards).

-Petey
 
At this point I'd like to see us start building around Devin...
 

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