OT If you won't kiss a trans woman, does that make you transphobic?

[Natebishop3]

https://www.bet.com/music/2018/01/0...ans-woman-twitter-debate.html?linkId=46725892

Singer Ginuwine has sparked a heated debate on Twitter after a recent episode of Celebrity Big Brother UK. In the latest episode, Ginuwine seemingly rejected fellow housemate India Willoughby.

The controversy stems from a conversation between Willoughby and the “Pony” singer, in which she asked whether he would date a trans woman. “You would date me, yeah,” Willoughby, who is a trans woman herself, asked. “Not if you were trans,” Ginuwine replied. After Ginuwine replied that he would not date a trans woman, Willoughby attempted to plant a kiss on the singer. When her advance was rejected, Willoughby stormed off.

Now Twitter has split into two sides. One side is outraged by Ginuwine’s rejection, suggesting that his unwillingness to date trans women is transphobic and bigoted. On the other hand, some fans are rallying behind the “In Those Jeans” artist, insisting that he has a choice to date whomever he chooses. Some also suggested that Willoughby was actually harassing him.

I haven't seen BC on lately. Not trying to upset anyone. I just find this topic very interesting.

 

[The Professional Fan]

No

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If I won't kiss a man, does that make me homophobic?

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Replace the word "trans" with "Chinese"... does Ginuwine suddenly sound bigoted against Chinese people? If so, then maybe he's bigoted against trans women. I'm not saying he is, but if he said "not if you were a Chinese woman" there's probably a follow-up "why not?" that should be answered.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Of course he isn't, that just isn't his flavor man.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Gotta be honest, I didn't have Nate in the pool of "next to link to a BET article..."

 

[Spud147]

https://www.bet.com/music/2018/01/0...ans-woman-twitter-debate.html?linkId=46725892



I haven't seen BC on lately. Not trying to upset anyone. I just find this topic very interesting.

I haven't seen this clip but my initial reaction is that if someone doesn't want you to kiss them, it's not okay to force yourself on them... not for a joke and not to make a political point. Al Franken just had to resign for something pretty similar. If the statement is going to mean anything, no has to mean no for everyone.

I'm probably going to get a lot of heat for this but I feel like this world is changing so fast and, while I may be completely comfortable with transgender folks, others are still working on getting used to the new normal. Just because he's not comfortable dating a transgender woman doesn't mean he is anti-transgender rights or even being disrespectful. Did I miss the memo where acceptance means you have to agree to have sex as proof? It seems kind of ironic that these empowered liberated people are all up in arms because some rapper isn't going - I'd hit that!

 

[santeesioux]

Would you kiss Sue Lightning?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Replace the word "trans" with "Chinese"... does Ginuwine suddenly sound bigoted against Chinese people? If so, then maybe he's bigoted against trans women. I'm not saying he is, but if he said "not if you were a Chinese woman" there's probably a follow-up "why not?" that should be answered.

Does a person have to be attracted to a Chinese person to not be a bigot?

You know some guys only like super fat girls. Does that make them hate anorexic girls?

The fact that this is apparently a debate at all makes me so sad.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I haven't seen this clip but my initial reaction is that if someone doesn't want you to kiss them, it's not okay to force yourself on them... not for a joke and not to make a political point. Al Franken just had to resign for something pretty similar. If the statement is going to mean anything, no has to mean no for everyone.

I'm probably going to get a lot of heat for this but I feel like this world is changing so fast and, while I may be completely comfortable with transgender folks, others are still working on getting used to the new normal. Just because he's not comfortable dating a transgender woman doesn't mean he is anti-transgender rights or even being disrespectful. Did I miss the memo where acceptance means you have to agree to have sex as proof? It seems kind of ironic that these empowered liberated people are all up in arms because some rapper isn't going - I'd hit that!

Thank you

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I looked for pics of India. She's not attractive. She has a face I've described as a tweety bird face. I've known girls that look like her and wouldn't kiss them either. Closest to a guy I can think of is actor Toby Jones.

https://goo.gl/images/xu4hvA

 

[Spud147]

I looked for pics of India. She's not attractive. She has a face I've described as a tweety bird face. I've known girls that look like her and wouldn't kiss them either. Closest to a guy I can think of is actor Toby Jones.

https://goo.gl/images/xu4hvA

Couple things:

Ginuwine has a "type" and it's not white women but that doesn't make him racist.

India looks damn good for 52 years old!

 

[andalusian]

I'm probably going to get a lot of heat for this but I feel like this world is changing so fast and, while I may be completely comfortable with transgender folks, others are still working on getting used to the new normal. Just because he's not comfortable dating a transgender woman doesn't mean he is anti-transgender rights or even being disrespectful. Did I miss the memo where acceptance means you have to agree to have sex as proof? It seems kind of ironic that these empowered liberated people are all up in arms because some rapper isn't going - I'd hit that!

Well said. I think acceptance is being not putting hurdles before someone because he/she is something. That's all that's needed. There is no need to like it, love it, march the streets for it or "hit it" as you so eloquently said.

 

[Orion Bailey]

https://www.bet.com/music/2018/01/0...ans-woman-twitter-debate.html?linkId=46725892



I haven't seen BC on lately. Not trying to upset anyone. I just find this topic very interesting.

@BlazerCaravan is very busy with the family these days, but I hope BC knows her posts are missed.

 

[dviss1]

If you won't date someone because of their race, it's racism.

Not dating/kissing a Trans is completely different and not homophobic at all.

 

[Minstrel]

I don't think lack of physical attraction is evidence of bigotry. Avoiding prejudice is a function of the intellect, whereas who you're attracted to isn't based on reason--you don't reason your way into who you're attracted to and who you aren't. I don't think not finding Asian, white, black, etc, people of your sexuality's partners attractive is racist. I don't think not finding a trans person attractive is transphobic. Now, if you said, "I would never date a black person because they're <trait>" then yes, that's racist. But simply not being attracted on a physical level isn't. At least, in my opinion.

 

[dviss1]

I don't think lack of physical attraction is evidence of bigotry. Avoiding prejudice is a function of the intellect, whereas who you're attracted to isn't based on reason--you don't reason your way into who you're attracted to and who you aren't. I don't think not finding Asian, white, black, etc, people of your sexuality's partners attractive is racist. I don't think not finding a trans person attractive is transphobic. Now, if you said, "I would never date a black person because they're <trait>" then yes, that's racist. But simply not being attracted on a physical level isn't. At least, in my opinion.

I completely disagree.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I would never kiss a cat.

 

[Spud147]

If you won't date someone because of their race, it's racism.

Not dating/kissing a Trans is completely different and not homophobic at all.

And I don't know anything about Ginuwine to know if that would be the case, however, we all know people have preferences when it comes to what they're physically attracted to... and I'm guessing this rich attractive man has a lot of options when it comes to the dating world and probably doesn't have to compromise on those ideals much.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

It's funny to me being a christian and watching liberals force their agendas down peoples throats but get up in arms if you call anything a sin. Dont judge me while i judge you. The ultimate hypocrisy.

If you dont believe what i believe, i believe you are going to hell, and i believe you have every right to live this life how you want, in fact i encourage you to enjoy this life because eternity after is going to suck.

If i dont believe what you believe, i should be punched in the mouth for being a nazi and i should have my career destroyed, maybe even put to death and it would be funny because i encroached on your safe space.

"Tolerance"

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

If you won't date someone because of their race, it's racism.

Not dating/kissing a Trans is completely different and not homophobic at all.

Bullshit. I wouldn't date Ellen DeGeneres unless she gave me tons of money.

I'd break polygamy laws to marry Ellen Page. I know my wife would be pissed. Neither has a chance in hell of happening so I'm not worried.

I'm generally not attracted to black girls for the most part....just saw Halle Berry on tv. Holy shit she is amazing.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It's funny to me being a christian and watching liberals force their agendas down peoples throats but get up in arms if you call anything a sin. Dont judge me while i judge you. The ultimate hypocrisy.

If you dont believe what i believe, i believe you are going to hell, and i believe you have every right to live this life how you want, in fact i encourage you to enjoy this life because eternity after is going to suck.

If i dont believe what you believe, i should be punched in the mouth for being a nazi and i should have my career destroyed, maybe even put to death and it would be funny because i encroached on your safe space.

"Tolerance"

 

[dviss1]

Bullshit. I wouldn't date Ellen DeGeneres unless she gave me tons of money.

I'd break polygamy laws to marry Ellen Page. I know my wife would be pissed. Neither has a chance in hell of happening so I'm not worried.

I'm generally not attracted to black girls for the most part....just saw Halle Berry on tv. Holy shit she is amazing.

So using race to hire someone is racist but using race to not date someone isn't?

THAT'S bullshit.

 

[dviss1]

Bullshit. I wouldn't date Ellen DeGeneres unless she gave me tons of money.

I'd break polygamy laws to marry Ellen Page. I know my wife would be pissed. Neither has a chance in hell of happening so I'm not worried.

I'm generally not attracted to black girls for the most part....just saw Halle Berry on tv. Holy shit she is amazing.

Ellen isn't Trans.

 

[Spud147]

It's funny to me being a christian and watching liberals force their agendas down peoples throats but get up in arms if you call anything a sin. Dont judge me while i judge you. The ultimate hypocrisy.

If you dont believe what i believe, i believe you are going to hell, and i believe you have every right to live this life how you want, in fact i encourage you to enjoy this life because eternity after is going to suck.

If i dont believe what you believe, i should be punched in the mouth for being a nazi and i should have my career destroyed, maybe even put to death and it would be funny because i encroached on your safe space.

"Tolerance"

Tolerance - that should be the word for 2018.

I knew we were really in bizarro world when Caitlyn Jenner didn't support gay marriage because she was just a traditional woman. What?!?

 

[e_blazer]

I don't want to kiss SlyPokerDog's ass.

Does that make me dog-phobic or ass-phobic?

Or just likely to be the next person banned around here?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

So using race to hire someone is racist but using race to not date someone isn't?

THAT'S bullshit.

If I find a qualified employee and don't hire them because of their race that is racist.

If I find an attractive girl who wants to date me and I won't because of her race that is racist.

Not being attracted to a person for ANY reason doesn't make you a racist. If someone didn't think Halle Berry is hot in my opinion they're stupid. If they say "man she's so hot but I could never date a black girl" that's racist.

Oh oh oh, I forgot your favorite thing. False equivalency.

Losing a job and not getting to date my old white ass are not remotely the same thing.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Ellen isn't Trans.

DeGeneres is a lesbian. Ellen Page is too I believe.

Not dating DeGeneres wouldn't make me a homophobe. Stalking Ellen Page wouldn't either.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Oh and if you want to blame anyone for the type of women I'm attracted to, 90 percent of the blame should go to the Sears catalog.

I was sneaking looks at the bra section when I was 3

 

[Rhal]

So using race to hire someone is racist but using race to not date someone isn't?

THAT'S bullshit.

Not really. We are talking about people we are attracted, if you aren't attracted to someone you aren't attracted to someone, that doesn't make you a racist or a bigot. For me I'm not usually attracted to most black/latino women so if I had no prior knowledge of the person I wouldn't be going up and asking a black/latino women out. Now if I knew them and the attraction wasn't based on purely looks then i'd have no problem asking anyone out.