Iguodala (again)

[Rastapopoulos]

So now the Sixers are supposed actively to be seeking to trade Iguodala, are we interested? I know we've got a boatload of 2Gs, but I think Tony Allen has shown the value of lockdown perimeter defenders, and Iguodala can score as well.

People knock Iguodala for not being a franchise player - I think you should view him as more like Rodman than Pippen. Watching the US last Summer, Iguodala was almost as important as Durant - he just destroyed other teams with his D.

But the question is, what to give up for him? I'd be happy to offer Wes and change, but somehow I don't think that would do it. I think the way to trump others' offers is to offer to take on Brand's salary as well. Yes, Brand finally played, and was actually their leading scorer for a while there, but if they're getting rid of Iggy they're not thinking they're contenders, and thus Brand is a very overpaid luxury. Whereas, for us, he'd actually be useful, particularly if Oden is not much of a factor. A Brand-Aldridge pairing would work well, I think: Brand is bulky and lengthy (short neck but long arms) enough to defend most centers.

So: I think Camby would have to be part of it, with the idea that Philly would be ditching salary. I'd consider a Camby-Wallace-Babbitt for Brand-Iggy trade: it would be painful to give up Wallace, but Iggy is younger and at least as good, and it would kind of make sense for Philly if they want to give minutes to Evan Turner at the 2.

I have a feeling they'd want Batum and I'd sort of be tempted, as Iguodala is a proven commodity and Batum may never realize his potential. Thoughts?

 

[Minstrel]

I'd be interested in Iguodala. Aldridge and Oden would be off the table and I doubt they'd be looking for Andre Miller back. So that leaves Camby, Batum, Wallace and Matthews as possible trade chips. I'd rather hold on to Batum and Wallace...if Portland could offer Camby and Matthews (plus any other pieces I haven't mentioned to make salaries work) for Iguodala and Brand, I'd do that quite happily.

If push came to shove, I'd give up Wallace before Batum. Wallace is better now, but Batum I still feel has a bright future and certainly has many more prime years remaining.

Every title contention blueprint that can be envisioned right now requires Oden. But a supporting cast of Aldridge and Iguodala (and Batum and/or Wallace) would be pretty excellent.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I'd give Batum up over Wallace. He's 6 years younger but I don't think Batum will ever be as good as Wallace.

 

[craigehlo]

Batum before Wallace for sure. Still, Iggy doesn't help the shooting situation much but he would be an upgrade in the defense and basketball IQ department.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The cool thing about Iggy is that he averages a shitload of assists. You could start a backcourt of Roy (health permitting) and Iggy and actually make it work.

 

[Minstrel]

The other cool thing, in the very short-term, is that Iguodala loved playing with Miller.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

if Portland could offer Camby and Matthews (plus any other pieces I haven't mentioned to make salaries work) for Iguodala and Brand, I'd do that quite happily.

We fall half a million short at present.

If push came to shove, I'd give up Wallace before Batum. Wallace is better now, but Batum I still feel has a bright future and certainly has many more prime years remaining.

I'm with you, but I'm sort of getting tired of waiting for Nicolas. However, if we have Iggy at the two, we're hurting for three point shooting, and one thing Batum does better than Wallace is that.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Hopefully we are interested.

On the other hand, Iggy seems to do really well in more of an uptempo style, so as long as Nate is here, would he really do that great? Would he turn him into a jump shooter?

 

[MAS RipCity]

I think Camby and Batum for Iggy is a fair offer. It still gives us the draft, MLE and Andre's contract as ways to upgrade the team. With LA looking like our franchise player and since he's getting close to his prime, it's time to win now.

 

[B-Roy]

I'm not interested in Iguodala...we'd essentially be taking on another 10 million+ dollar player who can't shoot threes. I'd be especially confused if we traded Batum for Iguodala since Batum is a better shooter than both Iggy and Wallace. Miller/Iggy/Roy/Wallace/Aldridge/Oden/Matthews would presumably take almost all the minutes and of those players only Matthews is a decent shooter.

This team needs more shooters, not slashers. Our slashers and post up guys don't have much room to work when there's no spacing on the floor.

Now if we can pawn off Roy for anyone and then add a few spot up shooters, that makes it more interesting, since Iguodala functions well as a playmaker....but I doubt anyone dares take Roy and I can't see the franchise not giving big minutes to Roy with his contract.

 

[Draco]

I like the idea of getting Iggy, but I think you'd have to make some other roster moves. If we gave up Batum or Wes for him we'd need to get more outside shooting. Maybe get Aaron Brooks or Mo Williams at PG. Miller and Wallace are already sub-par shooting perimeter players so I really don't know about trying to play them along with Iggy 35 mpg. But Iggy is such a huge talent if you can grab him I would do it first then worry about balancing out the roster later. The idea of Iggy and Wallace defending the wing is freaking awesome!

 

[Draco]

I'm not interested in Iguodala...we'd essentially be taking on another 10 million+ dollar player who can't shoot threes. I'd be especially confused if we traded Batum for Iguodala since Batum is a better shooter than both Iggy and Wallace. Miller/Iggy/Roy/Wallace/Aldridge/Oden/Matthews would presumably take almost all the minutes and of those players only Matthews is a decent shooter.

Well Batum has never averaged more than 8.2ppg in 3 years of playoffs so I'm not certain how much we can rely on his outside shooting to help our offense. If we can parlay him into Iggy I think you have to do it then try to balance out the offense later.

 

[B-Roy]

Well Batum has never averaged more than 8.2ppg in 3 years of playoffs so I'm not certain how much we can rely on his outside shooting to help our offense. If we can parlay him into Iggy I think you have to do it then try to balance out the offense later.

Iggy is freaking expensive, man. It will be VERY difficult to balance out the roster with 5 players that have 10+ million dollar contracts. Iguodala, Wallace, Roy, Aldridge, Oden (presumably), and possibly Camby. No one is going to take Roy so you're stuck trying to find a trade for Wallace, since I highly doubt Portland moves Aldridge or Oden. It would have to be Wallace being moved for Iggy, and I really doubt Philly goes for that.

 

[RoyToy]

Iguodala doesn't solve any of the real problems on this team.

 

[Minstrel]

He just improves the talent level, if Portland can give up less talent in order to give Philly some salary relief. In the end, talent is the most important factor in winning. Cho would have to make more moves to get the right balance, but talent is the currency. Though I will say I was more interested in Iguodala back when Roy was really good, because his passing ability was good enough that he and Roy could have shared a backcourt together without a true point guard. But now, Roy doesn't really look like a starter-quality play-maker unless he somehow improves his physical condition and/or learns to play better with his new limitations.

 

[B-Roy]

if Portland could offer Camby and Matthews (plus any other pieces I haven't mentioned to make salaries work) for Iguodala and Brand, I'd do that quite happily.

You're about 10 million dollars short, Minstrel. You would have to add Roy or Wallace. Roy is out of the question, so it would have to be Camby, Matthews, Wallace for Iguodala and Brand. I suppose you could add Miller and some other pieces, but then you'd be left with no point guard at all, and a roster that's pushing salary limits, even for PA.

 

[Minstrel]

You're about 10 million dollars short, Minstrel. You would have to add Roy or Wallace.

Well, as Rasta showed, by adding Williams, Fernandez, Babbit and Johnson, it comes up about $500k short. So, yeah, doesn't quite work. But it did come close!

 

[oldmangrouch]

Do you want to try to make it past the first round with Matthews as your starting SG?

 

[B-Roy]

Do you want to try to make it past the first round with Matthews as your starting SG?

I don't get this quote. The Jazz made it past the first round with Matthews as their starting SG.

 

[jlprk]

Last summer, Coach K thought Iguodala was the best player on the team. K made Durant his main man in games only because of Durant's reputation, not because of how he did in practice. McMillan heard K extolling him every day and probably worships Iggy too.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The guy I would focus on if I were Cho is Tony Parker.

Only 28 (going on 29) - 18PPG|7APG - 20.4 PER

With that roster in need of a total tear down, he's probably as attainable as he's ever been.

 

[Mediocre Man]

The guy I would focus on if I were Cho is Tony Parker.

Only 28 (going on 29) - 18PPG|7APG - 20.4 PER

With that roster in need of a total tear down, he's probably as attainable as he's ever been.

I also was thinking about Parker, a week or so ago, and was shocked he was that young.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The guy I would focus on if I were Cho is Tony Parker.

Blazer players watch your wives!

I worry about Parker: he seems to be getting increasingly injury prone, and he benefits from playing alongside Ginobili, who has greater passing skills than most PGs. Plus, if you think Miller has poor three-point shooting ability...

Of course, I'd still be excited if we got him, presumably for Batum and Camby, but worried nonetheless.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I like the idea of getting Iggy, but I think you'd have to make some other roster moves. If we gave up Batum or Wes for him we'd need to get more outside shooting. Maybe get Aaron Brooks or Mo Williams at PG. Miller and Wallace are already sub-par shooting perimeter players so I really don't know about trying to play them along with Iggy 35 mpg. But Iggy is such a huge talent if you can grab him I would do it first then worry about balancing out the roster later. The idea of Iggy and Wallace defending the wing is freaking awesome!

This.

 

[RoyToy]

Do you want to try to make it past the first round with Matthews as your starting SG?

You act like Matthews isn't a good starter. He averaged 17pts/G as a starter while giving you solid defense. Great complimentary player.

The Mavs are starting DeShawn Stenvenson
OKC is starting Thabo Sefolosha
Memphis is starting Tony Allen
Bulls - Keith Bogan

 

[mook]

This deal saves the Sixers around $25 million over the next three years. Basically Gerald Wallace, Camby and some prospects and Rudy for Iguadala and Brand's ridiculous contract.

We'd keep both Batum and Matthews, our only three point shooters. It's basically trading a physical, open court defensive-minded SF for the exact same thing at SG, while also swapping similarly capable aging PF/C's.

I think Portland does this because Batum is clearly the better prospect on our team over Matthews, so it gives us two better starters--Batum at SF and Iguadala at SG, with Matthews off the bench.

Perimeter shooting still sucks for our team, but at least Elton Brand can make an open 15 footer (unlike Camby anymore). If Oden can get healthy, he'd be a nice backup for both him and Aldridge.

At that point I think you try to target a dead-eye three point shooter/defender at PG for the long term. Maybe see if Billups could be had (and then resuscitated)....

The thing that sucks about my trade is that Wallace is the only guy who could guard brawnier SF's like LeBron and Carmello. I guess you hope that a healthy Oden and the beef of Brand make up that difference. At least those guys are in the East.

 

[B-Roy]

The thing that sucks about my trade is that Wallace is the only guy who could guard brawnier SF's like LeBron and Carmello. I guess you hope that a healthy Oden and the beef of Brand make up that difference. At least those guys are in the East.

 

[B-Roy]

The guy I would focus on if I were Cho is Tony Parker.

Only 28 (going on 29) - 18PPG|7APG - 20.4 PER

With that roster in need of a total tear down, he's probably as attainable as he's ever been.

Gerald Wallace/Andre Miller/Rudy Fernandez for Tony Parker/Richard Jefferson

Helps SA unload Jefferson and gives them one last shot at the championship. Jefferson becomes an expensive spot up shooter here. Shot 44% from three last season.

 

[magnifier661]

G. Wall ain't going anywhere. He has propelled himself to one of the most "likeable" players on the Blazers.

 

[mook]

The pick of Gerald Wallace pinching a loaf is what wins this argument.

I'm even more of a fan of my idea now.