Iguodala for Batum?

[Fez Hammersticks]

2007/2008-2011/2012:

FT%: 72% | 72% | 73% | 69% | 61%
PPG: 19.9 | 18.8 | 17.1 | 14.1 | 12.4
PER: 19.0 | 18.4 | 17.8 | 17.3 | 17.6
WIN%: .488 | .500 | .329 | .500 | .530

Steady decline and it'll only get worse as 30 is just around the bend.

He's a name and that alone will generate interest from boardies but I'm relieved to hear that Neil has shown no interest in Iggy. We dodged the Gerald Wallace decline-bullet, why self-inflict with Iggy?

 

[Pinwheel1]

In early May when I commented that trading our picks for Iggy was intriguing to me, (Yet I did not want to do it) I watched his game very closely in the playoffs. I came away with thinking that he was for sure not worth it. In a open court game he is awesome. In a half court game he is average at best on offense. Of course the playoff are almost all half court games. His jump shot is such a liability. Do we need another bad shooter? And he weighs 206, so he is all SG IMO.

 

[HailBlazers]

Many basketball players hit their peak at 26. I think Iguodala is more similar to Gerald Wallace and Shawn Marion in that he'll take significant steps back before the age of 30.

Exactly my fear with Iggy. Getting Wallace was like heaven on earth, until his age started to show.

 

[Minstrel]

2008 19.9PPG
2009 18.8PPG
2010 17.1PPG
2011 14.1PPG
2012 12.4PPG

I know scoring isn't everything, but I still think its an important statistical category.

I think going by scoring isn't a very good way to evaluate. That's the kind of analysis that leads to Rudy Gay getting the kind of contract he did. I think scoring efficiency, especially for a player who's shown he can score around the 20 PPG range, is more important, and rebounding, passing and defense are of massive importance.

Iguodala's scoring has dropped, as he's taken fewer shots recently, but his play-making is great for a non-point guard, he's an elite defensive wing and a good rebounder for a swing man. The entire package hasn't declined.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Best 3P% last year

 

[Minstrel]

And to add to that, each year when his scoring average went down, so did his PER.

PER isn't so precise that a difference of less than 1 PER is meaningful. His productivity as measured by PER has basically been steady state over the past 6 years (with a slight peak five years ago). His win shares per minute were the highest of his career last year.

 

[RR7]

I think going by scoring isn't a very good way to evaluate. That's the kind of analysis that leads to Rudy Gay getting the kind of contract he did. I think scoring efficiency, especially for a player who's shown he can score around the 20 PPG range, is more important, and rebounding, passing and defense are of massive importance.

Iguodala's scoring has dropped, as he's taken fewer shots recently, but his play-making is great for a non-point guard, he's an elite defensive wing and a good rebounder for a swing man. The entire package hasn't declined.

The entire package has actually gotten better in a lot of ways. He just takes fewer shots.

 

[Minstrel]

The entire package has actually gotten better in a lot of ways. He just takes fewer shots.

Yeah, depending on what you look at. By PER, he's still what he's always been. By some measures his defense has actually gotten better and his win shares per minute suggest he was at his best last year (though he played less minutes...still a robust 35+ MPG).

 

[Blazinaway]

id rather have d williams and trade him for someone better than iggy, but sure

Prefer Williams

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

its great when guys declining year after year go to the ASG for the first time last season. :MARIS61:

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

i love it when shit i make up becomes NBA rumors! :MARIS61:

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I love Iggy today, but I think his effectiveness is going to decline very quickly in two years. I don't think he'll still be a quality starter. He'll start to be similar to Marion after Phoenix, still effective but not a top 3 player on a team. Yes in a vacuum I'd rather have Iggy on a 2 year deal than Batum on this crazy 4/45 deal. But I'd rather just keep Derrick Williams or aim for another teams young player if we are considering a sign and trade for Batum.

Now if we get Hibbert, which I view as a long shot, I think it changes the outlook quite a bit. You put Iggy on that team and we might be a top 4 seed. Then we are in a spot that you talk about, building a contender step by step. We’d still be short of a title but you could be one lucky move away from contention. However without Hibbert we are multiple moves away from contention and I think it’d be unrealistic for such moves to take place before Iguodala declines significantly.

In 2 years he's a $15m expiring contract. Totally movable for something new. Even if we don't get Hibbert, you keep building the best team you can and keep on moving on. You may not be able to do it all in one week, but just keep on building and eventually you'll get there.

 

[tester551]

I'd rather let Batum walk than have Iggy, but I'd rather S&T Batum for a younger player like Williams if I had the choice

+1.
I am not a fan of Iggy.

 

[HailBlazers]

i love it when shit i make up becomes NBA rumors! :MARIS61:

I hate it when shit radio personalities makes up become NBA rumors.

Like this thread.

 

[Sinobas]

And to add to that, each year when his scoring average went down, so did his PER.

Iggy is a big 'ol MEH.

But isn't Batum a "meh" player as well? At least Iggy is a legit all-star calibur player right now, even if we only get 2 good years out of him, when his contract expires we'll be able to spend it on someone else, instead of being locked in Batum's contract.

 

[KingSpeed]

Rumored is 3 teammate deal with DWill going to Philly. We get Iggy

 

[KingSpeed]

Agreed. But then the question is, if you get Iggy & Hibbert, do you accept Lillard as your starting PG in win-now mode? If not, what do you do about the PG spot?

Yes. Rondo won title in 2nd year. Rose got team to playoffs in 1st year. Will we win title in Lillard's first year? Prob not. But we could by his third year.

 

[Rhal]

You get Iggy not because he is a lights out shooter but because after Lebron he is the best wing defender in the NBA. Guy is also a demon in the open court and while his PPG have dropped his shots taken have dropped as well.

 

[MickZagger]

I've never heard of a 3 team S&T deal.

 

[RR7]

I've never heard of a 3 team S&T deal.

Hedo and Marion were S&T'd together in a 4 team deal.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

But isn't Batum a "meh" player as well? At least Iggy is a legit all-star calibur player right now, even if we only get 2 good years out of him, when his contract expires we'll be able to spend it on someone else, instead of being locked in Batum's contract.

I think Batum has been mis-used in Nate's system. He's only 23 -- 14/5/17PER; Iggy is expensive and his stats have declined since 2008. David Kahn probably has a similar conclusion considering he could just as easily offer up Williams for Iggy, but is going hard after Batum instead.

 

[RR7]

stats. come on. His PPG have declined, as well as FGA. I posted earlier how many career highs in many many numbers he had last year, so no.
As for being expensive....so will Batum be if we match a 4 year deal for him.
I also don't know if because Kahn is doing something is a good argument for what we should do.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

As well as his PER.

His playoff numbers also show a consistent decline.

This guy is Gerald Wallace waiting to happen.

 

[BBert]

If we lose Batum, I'd rather have Williams or Turner for a lot less money. I guess I'm in rebuild mode. Lillard, Williams/Turner, Leonard, Barton, E-Will, that's a pretty good young cohort to start with.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

As "the man" in Philly, he's been an atrocious playoff performer:

14.4 PER | 0.4 WS
10.6 PER | -0.1 WS
18.0 PER | 0.4 WS
14.4 PER | 0.2 WS
13.4 PER | 1.1 WS

I'd want my franchise player putting up better numbers than that.

And this guy is making LMA type of money. He's paid like a superstar but clearly can't carry his team and much more of a 3rd/4th wheel.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

What if we get Indy into the mix - a 4-team trade that involves Indy getting Iggy and Portland securing Hibbert...and maybe a pick from one of the teams.

We'll have plenty of cap space. Indy will get something in return for Hibbert and still be able to sign Kaman??

If such a deal could get done, ahead of July 11th (an unofficial agreement in place between all four teams, that is), we could then shift gears and focus our attention on finding a wing and/or shooting guard or both. We can look at amnestied players in the short run.

All hope rests on Hibbert. Get this deal done and we can look at other pieces to the puzzle. But if Hibbert does not get done, then we're hooped...pardon the punn.

 

[BBert]

I'm just not as high on Iggy as a lot of Blazers fans are. Blazers fans can be pretty brutal on their own players, kind of a grass is always browner on our side of the fence thing. I think if Iggy had been a Blazer the last three years, a lot of fans would be roasting him, even more than they do LaMarcus and Batum.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

If Minnesota wants Batum so bad, then they can get us Iguodala and a first round pick.