I'm afraid KP is not going to trade anyone!

[ODENISGOD]

GOOD LUCK NATE!!!!! There is so many log jams its not even funny. He seriously needs to take bayless and either outlaw or webster and get another veteran backup power forward. Bye reading his comments in the Andre Miller story that Quick wrote I seriously don't think he's going to do anything else. Have fun Nate trying to play outlaw,batum and webster, And no way bayless sees the court now, im sure he is jumping for joy right about now.

Pritchard indicated that Miller's signing signals the end of the Blazers' significant offseason moves. Nearly all of the Blazers' $7.7 million cap space was exhausted, and Pritchard said it is highly unlikely he will make a trade before October's training camp.

"I don't see many more moves," Pritchard said.

 

[HookInMouth]

wut

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

KP often says one thing and then does another.

or

OMFG WTFBBQ FIRE KP

 

[BIG Q]

"I don't see many more moves," Pritchard said.

You posted what he said right there. How many moves need to be made to get a vet back up PF? I say one, which would fall in line of not seeing many more moves. To me, many moves would be 3+ moves. So KP is probably correct. He may be able to get that vet after he is waived by a team. And it has already been said this off season that Outlaw is no longer viewed as a SF for this team, so the depth chart there is Webster, Batum, Cunningham.

 

[Pinwheel1]

GOOD LUCK NATE!!!!! There is so many log jams its not even funny. He seriously needs to take bayless and either outlaw or webster and get another veteran backup power forward. .

We go though this same discussion every year. You have 15 guys on a team every year, three of which are scrubs. That leaves 12 players and inevitably a log jam. The other option is to have 5 scrubs who don't care if they play (And that is a fantasy because everyone wants to play) and take the chance no one gets hurt.

The bottom line is you are always going to have a log jam with 15 players and only a 9- 10 man rotation.

So far the back up PF's that have been thown out there are not worth Bayless AND Outlaw when you take into consideration we have Oden, Cunningham, Pendergraph and TO on the roster. Who is better than those 4 combinded. Turiaf? Joe Smith? I like both of those guys but I am not so sure.

If the worst case scenario is that Travis and Bayless have to sit.....too fucking bad. Someone has to and they won't be thrilled either. Last year all I heard was consolidation was needed. It can't happen. The number of people playing and the number of players watching will always be the same. Stop worry about their feelings and their future contracts. I am not oppossed to trading either of those two, but if it does not happen.....no big deal.

 

[STOMP]

"I don't see many more moves," Pritchard said.

You posted what he said right there. How many moves need to be made to get a vet back up PF? I say one, which would fall in line of not seeing many more moves. To me, many moves would be 3+ moves. So KP is probably correct. He may be able to get that vet after he is waived by a team. And it has already been said this off season that Outlaw is no longer viewed as a SF for this team, so the depth chart there is Webster, Batum, Cunningham.

I must have missed that one... do you have a link?

STOMP

 

[Nikolokolus]

They are going to carry a 13 man roster with Martell questionable. Pendergraph and Cunningham are probably going to be riding the pine so you're left with 10 rotation players, The only "logjam" I see depends entirely on whether or not Bayless can be satisfied with the spot minute role he had last year -- my gut tells me "no", but maybe he'll surprise us all and just work on his game in practice and bide his time for when "Blakey's" contract expires.

 

[BIG Q]

I must have missed that one... do you have a link?

STOMP

It was said on one of the Courtsides. It was at least a month ago, but it was very clearly stated. No ambiguity at all. It was pointed out that Webster/Batum are the rotation and the only way for Outlaw to get burn was to be PF and a better rebounder. I am sure it was MB that announced it, but he stated it as fact. He was told this by either Nate or KP. Now, of course if Webster is not ready, they can have Outlaw backup Batum, but it was said that they do not like the results that come from Outlaw playing SF. His only advantage is against big, slow PF's.

 

[BIG Q]

They are going to carry a 13 man roster with Martell questionable. Pendergraph and Cunningham are probably going to be riding the pine so you're left with 10 rotation players, The only "logjam" I see depends entirely on whether or not Bayless can be satisfied with the spot minute role he had last year -- my gut tells me "no", but maybe he'll surprise us all and just work on his game in practice and bide his time for when "Blakey's" contract expires.

Is it out of the question to send him to the d-league to get exclusive burn as a PG? Would it kill his confidence? Would he really benefit more by practicing against Miller/Blake?

 

[STOMP]

It was said on one of the Courtsides. It was at least a month ago, but it was very clearly stated. No ambiguity at all. It was pointed out that Webster/Batum are the rotation and the only way for Outlaw to get burn was to be PF and a better rebounder. I am sure it was MB that announced it, but he stated it as fact. He was told this by either Nate or KP. Now, of course if Webster is not ready, they can have Outlaw backup Batum, but it was said that they do not like the results that come from Outlaw playing SF. His only advantage is against big, slow PF's.

okay... so this is you speculating there were sources behind an announcer's speculations. I didn't think there was a quote from anyone in management.

STOMP

 

[BIG Q]

okay... so this is you speculating there were sources behind an announcer's speculations. I didn't think there was a quote from anyone in management.

STOMP

Do you listen to Courtside? MB is very good at pointing out when he is just giving his opinion. He makes sure that what his opinion is does not get taken as gospel. In this situation he was matter of fact and did not say it was his opinion. Take it as you wish, I could care less. I am not trying to break any news here. I have had conversations on RealGM about this subject. Go listen to the old Courtsides if you want to get perspective or put your own spin on it. But remember, by saying "I didn't think there was a quote from anyone in management," you are also speculating.

 

[STOMP]

Do you listen to Courtside?

I've listened to Courtside for years... I'm a diehard Blazer fan that you've been interacting with for quite a while now. The "if you had watched/listened" attack always strikes me as feeble, especially when the posters has got to suspect this isn't the case.

MB is very good at pointing out when he is just giving his opinion. He makes sure that what his opinion is does not get taken as gospel. In this situation he was matter of fact and did not say it was his opinion. Take it as you wish, I could care less. I am not trying to break any news here. I have had conversations on RealGM about this subject. Go listen to the old Courtsides if you want to get perspective or put your own spin on it. But remember, by saying "I didn't think there was a quote from anyone in management," you are also speculating.

wrong. There is no public quote from management echoing what you're saying... sorry but thats fact not speculation on my part. If there is one out there, I haven't read it and you certainly haven't relayed it. MB is a broadcaster with lots of time to fill so he stirs the pot with rumor and innuendo like most every other sports broadcaster. He isn't as far out on a limb as say Rice, but he's hardly the gospel truth about inside Blazer info.

STOMP

 

[BIG Q]

I've listened to Courtside for years... I'm a diehard Blazer fan that you've been interacting with for quite a while now.

STOMP

I realize that but must not have much clout. As I said, MB is very careful to say when he is just expressing his opinion. As a long time listener of Courtside you know that. Now if it was Rice saying it, I would not pay much attention to it. MB knows those boundries that do not get crossed. As I said, listen to the episodes if you wish to get perspective. Mine is that MB had spoken with someone in the know.

 

[ODENISGOD]

okay... so this is you speculating there were sources behind an announcer's speculations. I didn't think there was a quote from anyone in management.

STOMP

It is clearly quoted in the new artlice bye quick. just go to oregonlive.com Im not going to give you a link. if your that lazy then oh well.

 

[Kaydow]

They are going to carry a 13 man roster with Martell questionable. Pendergraph and Cunningham are probably going to be riding the pine so you're left with 10 rotation players, The only "logjam" I see depends entirely on whether or not Bayless can be satisfied with the spot minute role he had last year -- my gut tells me "no", but maybe he'll surprise us all and just work on his game in practice and bide his time for when "Blakey's" contract expires.

Are you serious? How do you keep Rudy, Martell, Batum, & Outlaw happy? You're talking about 4 guys who probably all feel they should get 30 min/night.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Are you serious? How do you keep Rudy, Martell, Batum, & Outlaw happy? You're talking about 4 guys who probably all feel they should get 30 min/night.

Rudy probably feels that he deserves 30 minutes. And he will get them.
Martel will be happy to run. According to most on this board he is questionable at most to even play
Batum will get his minutes as he is invaluable on D and will get more when he gets better on O.

Outlaw plays a different position. If he does not get his minutes too bad, but I think he will be happy to be part of the team. At least as much as any other bench player.

Make them all compete and stop babying them. They are getting paid millions when the rest of the country is struggling.

 

[STOMP]

It is clearly quoted in the new artlice bye quick. just go to oregonlive.com Im not going to give you a link. if your that lazy then oh well.

I'm lazy when you when you won't link what you're referencing? Let me guess, you're too busy

STOMP

 

[oldmangrouch]

Rudy probably feels that he deserves 30 minutes. And he will get them.
Martel will be happy to run. According to most on this board he is questionable at most to even play
Batum will get his minutes as he is invaluable on D and will get more when he gets better on O.

Outlaw plays a different position. If he does not get his minutes too bad, but I think he will be happy to be part of the team. At least as much as any other bench player.

Make them all compete and stop babying them. They are getting paid millions when the rest of the country is struggling.

+1

Webster is a non-issue, Batum will be the starter, and Outlaw has always been happy to accept a bench role. The only possible problem is Rudy - and he isn't so special that you blow up the roster to keep him happy!

 

[Minstrel]

Are you serious? How do you keep Rudy, Martell, Batum, & Outlaw happy? You're talking about 4 guys who probably all feel they should get 30 min/night.

Webster can feel entitled to anything he wants. He doesn't deserve starter minutes and there's absolutely no need to try hard to get him minutes.

IMO, Rudy will get at least 25 minutes across both guard spots and Batum will get 25-30 minutes at the small forward spot. That leaves Outlaw 18-23 minutes at small forward. Rudy (or Webster, if he finally does anything to merit it) can poach some of these minutes and Outlaw can reclaim those minutes at power forward.

 

[PapaG]

Where is the logjam? Blake becomes the back-up PG, Bayless has shown nothing this summer to deserve more minutes, and Webster still isn't even practicing, is he? It's a bit difficult to depend on Webster for anything. If he proves himself healthy and, more importantly, a MUCH better player than he's shown in the past, then a logjam could develop, I suppose.

 

[Ed O]

I don't see a logjam, really, either.

I think that we've been so relatively bad for so long that people forget what it's like to actually have good players on the roster.

Ed O.

 

[BIG Q]

Webster can feel entitled to anything he wants. He doesn't deserve starter minutes and there's absolutely no need to try hard to get him minutes.

IMO, Rudy will get at least 25 minutes across both guard spots and Batum will get 25-30 minutes at the small forward spot. That leaves Outlaw 18-23 minutes at small forward. Rudy (or Webster, if he finally does anything to merit it) can poach some of these minutes and Outlaw can reclaim those minutes at power forward.

Webster was the starter before he was injured, for the entire 07-08 season. I think he at least deserves an honest shot at getting his spot back. If Batum beats him out, so be it. But he should have an expectation to get minutes. Outlaw could never beat him out for the SF spot, why should he automatically get minutes over Webster if Webster is healthy?

I agree Rudy will get at least 25 minutes. But Batum only averaged 18 mpg last season as the starter, and everyone complained that he was not enough of an offensive threat to deserve that much time. Webster certainly is a better offensive threat having averaged 10.7 as a 21 year old for the season he started. He showed signs of "getting it" and he was not bad at defense either. I would like to see Webster/Batum get all of the SF minutes except for a handful that could go to Roy in situations. Outlaws minutes should come as back up PF, the only spot he has an advantage out, which Nate has said many times.

 

[BlazerWookee]

GOOD LUCK NATE!!!!! There is so many log jams its not even funny. He seriously needs to take bayless and either outlaw or webster and get another veteran backup power forward. Bye reading his comments in the Andre Miller story that Quick wrote I seriously don't think he's going to do anything else. Have fun Nate trying to play outlaw,batum and webster, And no way bayless sees the court now, im sure he is jumping for joy right about now.

Pritchard indicated that Miller's signing signals the end of the Blazers' significant offseason moves. Nearly all of the Blazers' $7.7 million cap space was exhausted, and Pritchard said it is highly unlikely he will make a trade before October's training camp.

"I don't see many more moves," Pritchard said.

Don't be afraid. It'll be okay, little buddy...

 

[Minstrel]

Webster was the starter before he was injured, for the entire 07-08 season. I think he at least deserves an honest shot at getting his spot back. If Batum beats him out, so be it. But he should have an expectation to get minutes. Outlaw could never beat him out for the SF spot, why should he automatically get minutes over Webster if Webster is healthy?

Webster was the starter by fiat. He hasn't ever been starter quality. Outlaw has starter production, but his streakiness and defensive lapses make him not well suited to starter minutes.

Batum was at least as good as Webster ever has been offensively, but was also a very good defender. Webster is a mediocre defender.

I have no problems with Webster competing for a starting spot. I just don't think there should be any real "concern" over the minutes of a player who has never been very good and now is coming off an injury that cost him a full season and he's still not back from.

If Webster comes back this season and takes his game to a whole new level, great. Then minutes can be found for him and it's a nice problem to have. Based on what he has shown so far in his career, I don't consider him a real factor.

 

[PapaG]

Webster was the starter by fiat. He hasn't ever been starter quality. Outlaw has starter production, but his streakiness and defensive lapses make him not well suited to starter minutes.

Batum was at least as good as Webster ever has been offensively, but was also a very good defender. Webster is a mediocre defender.

I have no problems with Webster competing for a starting spot. I just don't there should be any real "concern" over the minutes of a player who has never been very good and now is coming off an injury that cost him a full season and he's still not back from.

I'll add that Outlaw's "tweenerness" comes into play as well in terms of him being an ineffective starter yet an above-average bench player.

 

[Minstrel]

I'll add that Outlaw's "tweenerness" comes into play as well in terms of him being an ineffective starter yet an above-average bench player.

Agreed. He's tough to count on against all opponents at either small forward or power forward, but he can swing between both positions to play matchups and be quite effective.

 

[STOMP]

Webster was the starter before he was injured, for the entire 07-08 season. I think he at least deserves an honest shot at getting his spot back. If Batum beats him out, so be it. But he should have an expectation to get minutes. Outlaw could never beat him out for the SF spot, why should he automatically get minutes over Webster if Webster is healthy?

I'm sure if Webster shows up playing much better then he ever has before then he'll carve out some minutes. A poster's thoughts on a chatsite certainly won't hold him back. But at 19 Nic played better last year then MW ever has in his 3 complete seasons... I'd expect that disparity to grow. Both are career 37% 3 point shooters, but Nic is much better defensively and has a better handle. Webster has his work cut out for him.

I agree Rudy will get at least 25 minutes. But Batum only averaged 18 mpg last season as the starter, and everyone complained that he was not enough of an offensive threat to deserve that much time. Webster certainly is a better offensive threat having averaged 10.7 as a 21 year old for the season he started. He showed signs of "getting it" and he was not bad at defense either. I would like to see Webster/Batum get all of the SF minutes except for a handful that could go to Roy in situations. Outlaws minutes should come as back up PF, the only spot he has an advantage out, which Nate has said many times.

now you've got Nate saying this he's only a PF stuff too? Is there some sort of conspiracy that keeps these quotes from ever make it to my ears or print? And if the coach really feels that way, then why did he play Travis at SF at the end of the season and in the playoffs?

STOMP

 

[PapaG]

now you've got Nate saying this he's only a PF stuff too? Is there some sort of conspiracy that keeps these quotes from ever make it to my ears or print? And if the coach really feels that way, then why did he play Travis at SF at the end of the season and in the playoffs?

STOMP

The quote I read in the Oregonian didn't say Outlaw would solely play PF, so I don't think it's anything to worry about. I've never posted about it, so I'm not sure exactly what the quote said, and I don't really care to go on The Google and look for it.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Are you serious? How do you keep Rudy, Martell, Batum, & Outlaw happy? You're talking about 4 guys who probably all feel they should get 30 min/night.

For one thing Rudy is not in any way shape or form a small forward, Brandon might pick up a few minutes at that spot, but Rudy will play at the one before he'll be primarily tasked with guarding 3s. Travis has never played 30 minutes per game and is likely to play more backup power forward than small forward. Martell has never played 30 minutes per game and unless Nic has drastically improved his offensive game I don't see him getting much more than 25 minutes a night (he mainly needs to show more aggressiveness and the mid-range shot off the dribble he was practicing toward the end of the year)

Furthermore, I'm not convinced Martell is going to be fully healthy ... But for the sake of argument, let's say that he is. A minute distribution could look something like this:

Roy: 36
Aldridge: 36
Oden: 30 (give or take)
Miller: 30
Rudy: 28
Nic: 24
Martell: 20
Travis: 22
Blake: 18
Joel: 18 (More or less depending on Oden)
Bayless: Spot minutes and DNPs
Cunningham: Spot minutes and DNPs
Pendergraph: Spot minutes and DNPs

Of course it's possible one of Martell, Nic, or Travis could command more minutes at the expense of somebody else, but them's the breaks. Overall I think Bayless is the most likely player to sit (aside from the two rookie second rounders).

 

[Pinwheel1]

For one thing Rudy is not in any way shape or form a small forward, Brandon might pick up a few minutes at that spot, but Rudy will play at the one before he'll be primarily tasked with guarding 3s. Travis has never played 30 minutes per game and is likely to play more backup power forward than small forward. Martell has never played 30 minutes per game and unless Nic has drastically improved his offensive game I don't see him getting much more than 25 minutes a night (he mainly needs to show more aggressiveness and the mid-range shot off the dribble he was practicing toward the end of the year)

Furthermore, I'm not convinced Martell is going to be fully healthy ... But for the sake of argument, let's say that he is. A minute distribution could look something like this:

Roy: 36
Aldridge: 36
Oden: 30 (give or take)
Miller: 30
Rudy: 28
Nic: 24
Martell: 20
Travis: 22
Blake: 18
Joel: 18 (More or less depending on Oden)
Bayless: Spot minutes and DNPs
Cunningham: Spot minutes and DNPs
Pendergraph: Spot minutes and DNPs

Of course it's possible one of Martell, Nic, or Travis could command more minutes at the expense of somebody else, but them's the breaks. Overall I think Bayless is the most likely player to sit (aside from the two rookie second rounders).

That's pretty good. I can live with that. I think depending on the opposition Joel can get more minutes as he can play with Greg. Then of course there will be injuries, so Bayless, Cunningham, and Pendergraph will get their chance.